Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 3: Answers

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PunishedBen
02/04/22 7:59:05 PM
#1:


In the night...

Banana has died. He was...Alphinaud and Alisaie! TOWN Twins
That's right, you are controlling two characters who are resolved to stay at each others' side. Because of this, your slot will count as two player slots. This will impact the total number of town left in the game. As long as you are still alive that is. If you are lynched or nightkilled, you lose both.

Additionally, if you are alive at a point in the game where the number of remaining MAFIA is 1 or 2 less than the number of remaining town (Often referred to as LYLO or MYLO), you will gain the ability of Doublevote, and your vote will count as two votes!

Mzero has returned to the game!

THE LIVING
1.Red
2.Sir Chris
3.Crescent
4.Mzero
5.Isquen
6.Tidus
7.Scare
8.MikeTavish
9.Plum

THE DEAD
1. [LD1]Shonen - Haurchefant, TOWN Bodygaurd
2. [KN1]Death - Quin69, TOWN Vanilla
3.[LD2]Ulti - The Warrior of Light, TOWN Bulletproof
4. [KN2]Banana - Alphinaud and Alisaie, TOWN Twins

WITH 9 ALIVE, IT TAKES 5 VOTES TO LYNCH. DAY ENDS SUNDAY AT 8PM EST.

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MZero
02/04/22 7:59:16 PM
#2:


i'm back baby

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Isquen
02/04/22 8:17:42 PM
#3:


Well that's... interesting.

I was almost certain there'd be a Zenos in game after the last lynch, as Mike didn't die overnight too, but maybe now that Mike has BP instead of the WoL, Zenos can't negate his BP? Or maybe that's the blessing, Zenos tried, and the blessing overwrote it?

That explains a few things though, like why a lynch went through without a stated majority on night one. Can we safely presume *not* a janitor role, then?

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:19:04 PM
#4:


Oh hi MZero.

Anyways I did that thing where I pop awake and spend a couple of hours writing a wall in the middle of the morning:

Ok started doing the "write in my head when half-asleep" thing again doing player breakdowns in my head so here goes something more detailed that will inevitably turn out to be way longer than I intended because I don't expect to die tonight and I'm just going to ramble like nuts.

[6]Ulti - Mike, Isquen, Plum, Tidus, Red, Scare
[2]Mike - (Isquen), Ulti, (Tidus), (Plum), Chris, (Scare)

[6]Shonen - Scare, Death, (Ulti), Tidus, Banana, Plum, Mike

Mike, Plum, Scare, Tidus were on both lynches. The latter three were on Mike before later switching to Ulti. Red wasn't on Bat, but was clear he supported it.

Imma just go down the player list.

1. Red - Does very little early in the day, then is oddly confident about Bat for day 1 by Red's standards. Red is a major driving force in Ulti's lynch despite being the 5th vote and voting him based on "behavior". Responds to Scare calling him and Chris town with mild suspicion of Scare. Is the first person to insinuate Ulti might be "Elibidus". Mike doesn't really believe it and Red brings it up again. From this point on, basically everything Red does is flavor meta, host meta, or side comment, with the exception of calling out Banana's lack of activity. Remains dead sure Ulti is not BP the entire day.

2. Chris - Has effectively done nothing this game. Vocally opposes Bat's lynch, but makes no serious attempt to prevent it. He then doubles down on calling people idiots at the start of day 2 and pretends like he did way more on day 1 than he actually did.

Let's break this down: He votes Plum for voting Bat, calls me scum because ???, and disappears 30 minutes later. He then shows back up with 17 minutes left in the day when the lynch is 6-2, calls people idiots, and makes no actual attempt to prevent it from happening.

Considers voting Ulti early in day 2, then votes Mike and basically peaces for the rest of the day. Consistently calls Plum and I scum early in the day, but unlike Ulti, he never engages me, even when I bait him. Says he likes Scare and Banana early in the day, but never speaks about either player again. Makes one comment that Red is town. Also calls Isquen scum early in the day and townclears Tidus, but doesn't give a reason for either.

Chris' play on return day mostly just calling us bad, saying Mike is probably town (which I felt was an obvious take, hence my distrust of Isquen) , and saying Death is pllaying too badly to be to be scum right at the end of the day.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

That all being said I don't have a terrible amount of investment in this game thankfully so maybe bat is indeed just newbie scum who slipped. But most slips turn out not to be such and I don't even view it as a slip. I like to lynch scum day one personally and when I can understand where someone is coming from it is usually town.

Idk just feels like a really s***ty lynch but sometimes s***ty lunches get scum so? Whoo let's roll the dice and hope disastrous play and logic work out.

But there's also this. This post really sums up Chris on day 1. "I'm against this lynch of a player who's going to flip town, but I'm not really going to try to stop you".

3. Banana - Outside of the flavor metaing, I honestly have no idea what Banana has done this game, so I'm ISOing him. Banana's first post of the game is a check-in post on page 2 of day 1 commenting on the extra vote being "concerning". His second post of the game is voting Bat on page 4. Both Death and Red immediately point him out for coasting following this vote. He then drops off the map until appearing near the end of the day and using a lot of words to say very little. The only clear opinion in this statement seems to be a townread of Death.

Banana does not talk about anything except for Mike and Ulti the entire second day. He shows some paranoia towards Ulti, but never indicates a willingness to lynch him. He does indicate he's "genuinely surprised" that the vote is even around the halfway mark of the day, except he doesn't have his vote down and he's made it pretty clear he intends to vote for Mike.

4. Isquen - Wasn't nearly as active on day 2 as I seem to remember. Doubles down on Mike at the start of the day despite multiple people chiming in that they thought Mike was town at the end of day 1. Calls me a third party out of the blue, then says he dislikes Scare/Plum/Chris in the middle of the day without giving any reason for adding Scare and Chris. but in the same post he calls me town for "antagonizing him". That all said, I kind of just believe the gender snafu was legitimate instead of planned out, though I'm not sure why he would suddenly take a single use of a female pronoun that was directed at me as evidence that Ulti knew his flavor.

5. Tidus - I have surprisingly little to say here. He exists and comes off as mostly clueless. I did not like the way he jumped on Bat, but it's pretty clear he's a follower who's trying to find his legs and is awkwardly trying to do it. I feel like I could just flip a coin on this guy and be done with it.


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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:19:06 PM
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6. Scare - Is the first to call out the "slip" on Bat and remains consistent on him after his claim. Openly suspectes Mike of bussing Bat, but doesnot press further. Scare calls Red/Chris both town at the start of the day just for being alive together. Clearly follows the "lynch third party" angle in first response and barely does anything during the player meta. Much like Chris, Scare practically vanishes from the game during the Mike/Ulti flavor storming.

7. Mike - Could be some weirdass indy with some super wincon still and if he is... More power to him, I guess. This is not a rabbit hole I am willing to revisit. I liked him after day 1 (Even if in hindsight, his soft counter makes basically no sense.). His play was consistent both internally and with the flow of day 2. For Mike to be bad would require him to have masterminded everything and a lot more tin foil hatting. Regardless, I do not care to look in Mike's direction and that's why he's getting a different writeup.

8. Plum - Plum has been a major driving force on both lynches. Unvotes Ulti after the slip, but doesn't vote Bat, and doesn't respond to me when I ask him if he still suspects Ulti. He votes Bat only after the BG claim, and is quickly followed by Mike, which pretty well shuts the door on Bat, and immediately pulls a vote from Chris. Plum spends most of the rest of the day furthering his justificaion for voting Bat, and he comments that my Isquen vote is "good" without any followup. On day 2, he voices suspicion of Chris, and later Ulti. He then votes Mike, but eventually he ends up as the first person outside of the flavor meta gangbang to vote for Ulti and remains fairly stalwart in his vote. As a sidebar, Ulti was pretty clear about suspecting Plum

Ulti's town flip (by the way thanks for randomly deciding the hammer him all of like 80 minutes I after I got home from a shift I intentionally had moved early enough to be productive in game) makes Plum a murky situation in general, because it means someone I know was town and someone I heavily lean scum on both call Plum scum.

I could see a Chris/Plum/Scare team where Chris/Plum are actively calling each other scum and Chris/Scare are passively calling each other town, but it actually feels a little too simple. If I had to guess, it's probably two of the above + 1 other person. I'd go Red or Banana next, because I think scum Chris is way more likely to randomly hardclear a newbie town than a newbie scumbuddy.

I'm sure Ulti has a *lot* to say right now through Mike and I'm interested in hearing what he has to say. Unless it's just insulting people.

But also, since today will almost certainly be a massclaim day, and I was consistently waffling on whether or not to softclaim yesterday (Which would've just caused even MORE flavor meta), I'm just going to get us started, because I have the exact type of role absolutely no one wants me to have.

I have a confirmable but highly situational town power role ("Mothercrystal") that can either save the town from certain death... Or achieve absolutely nothing and is more than likely to achieve the latter.

My flavor, Hydaelyn, is why my snap reaction was to "under no circumstances" lynch Ulti. One look at the FFXIV Wiki on Ulti's flavor showed a direct connection between his claimed flavor and mine. I gradually got paranoid about being in some sort of sick flavor trap, which is why I kept pressing Ulti so much.

Personally think Chris should be the lynch today, but we need to mass and gather any information we have first.

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:20:05 PM
#6:


Isquen posted...
Well that's... interesting.

I was almost certain there'd be a Zenos in game after the last lynch, as Mike didn't die overnight too, but maybe now that Mike has BP instead of the WoL, Zenos can't negate his BP? Or maybe that's the blessing, Zenos tried, and the blessing overwrote it?

That explains a few things though, like why a lynch went through without a stated majority on night one. Can we safely presume *not* a janitor role, then?
Bat had the most votes. Bat died. That's.. How lynches work.

And also in hindsight now that MZero is back alive I don't know if we need to mass, but I never tamper with the wall after I've written it.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:20:52 PM
#7:


Well yesterday was a big ole waste of time.

Hiya Mzero

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:22:00 PM
#8:


Anyway I don't know what you expect me to do day one - I laid out my thoughts, why it was bad, placed my vote on someone who I thought was scum. It's not my job to carry bad players or bad thoughts.

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:22:15 PM
#9:


Waste of time? Hardly. It was a goldmine of reads.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:23:37 PM
#10:


well considering your goldmine led you to 'guess chris should be lynched today' I am not so sure about that goldmine of yours, but I will re-read the day now that I am not so annoyed

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 8:27:43 PM
#11:


Don't have time for a ton of info right now but I gained bulletproof powers AND an "aether scan".

Chris's aether is pure. I scanned him because across all my games of mafia, town Chris has been willing to pick a game up on his back and carry it. I'm not feeling that at all here. Maybe it's because he's bored of mafia because it's "solved" or whatever but I wasn't buying it.

Legitimately disappointed to see he's town (I assume that'd what pure aether means) and I'd like to see a lot more from him today.

Will be back later when I'm at work.

Oh and Ulti says we are all idiots who should never play mafia again etc etc hopefully he comes around and gives some useful thoughts later.

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:27:47 PM
#12:


The vibe I've gotten out of you so far is mostly just sitting back and watching town cannibalize itself.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:29:49 PM
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well, day one I tried to stop (what I think) is mostly town from eating itself, but apparently people not listening is my fault

Yesterday I checked out after the stupid role was used.

MikeTavish posted...
Don't have time for a ton of info right now but I gained bulletproof powers AND an "aether scan".

Chris's aether is pure. I scanned him because across all my games of mafia, town Chris has been willing to pick a game up on his back and carry it. I'm not feeling that at all here. Maybe it's because he's bored of mafia because it's "solved" or whatever but I wasn't buying it.

Legitimately disappointed to see he's town (I assume that'd what pure aether means) and I'd like to see a lot more from him today.

Will be back later when I'm at work.

Oh and Ulti says we are all idiots who should never play mafia again etc etc hopefully he comes around and gives some useful thoughts later.

Yeah I don't feel like carrying the game, but thanks for the scan

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:31:16 PM
#14:


MikeTavish posted...
Don't have time for a ton of info right now but I gained bulletproof powers AND an "aether scan".

Chris's aether is pure. I scanned him because across all my games of mafia, town Chris has been willing to pick a game up on his back and carry it. I'm not feeling that at all here. Maybe it's because he's bored of mafia because it's "solved" or whatever but I wasn't buying it.

Legitimately disappointed to see he's town (I assume that'd what pure aether means) and I'd like to see a lot more from him today.

Will be back later when I'm at work.

Oh and Ulti says we are all idiots who should never play mafia again etc etc hopefully he comes around and gives some useful thoughts later.
Interesting and potentially game breakingly useful depending on what Aether means here.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:31:51 PM
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I am guessing its just a cop scan lol

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masterplum
02/04/22 8:31:51 PM
#16:


Well.

I dont even with this game. Mike either pulled one of the most insane gambits of all time or this is a joke game. Meh

I don't know what the hell moved scare to hammer, but I question if scum paints a target on their back like that

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masterplum
02/04/22 8:33:13 PM
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Crescent having a wall of text prepared makes me think she knew she wasn't dying

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MZero
02/04/22 8:33:26 PM
#18:


I was surprised no one considered that I was WoL and was janitored by scum Ulti and that's why no one counter claimed him (obviously this wasn't true)

I have the ability to leave the game at night (think commuter) but it costs me a day phase. It's called catnap. Oh and I'm Y'shtola (coincidentally one of the only XIV characters I've heard of thanks to smfffc)

##Vote: Scare

Gonna need a claim bud

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:33:55 PM
#19:


masterplum posted...
Crescent having a wall of text prepared makes me think she knew she wasn't dying

Plum has seen town chris post wall of texts in dead chats enough

Geesh why cant I be day vig

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masterplum
02/04/22 8:35:14 PM
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DoomTheGyarados posted...
Plum has seen town chris post wall of texts in dead chats enough

Geesh why cant I be day vig

Well yeah you are Chris

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:36:02 PM
#21:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Plum has seen town chris post wall of texts in dead chats enough

Geesh why cant I be day vig
Plum has seen me post walls of text at the start of a day several times before so...

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red13n
02/04/22 8:36:06 PM
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MikeTavish posted...
Legitimately disappointed to see he's town (I assume that'd what pure aether means) and I'd like to see a lot more from him today.

Do you happen to know what the other option was because pure isn't really a term used to my knowledge.

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masterplum
02/04/22 8:37:24 PM
#23:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Plum has seen me post walls of text at the start of a day several times before so...

You act like I remember this at all

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Isquen
02/04/22 8:38:40 PM
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Crescent-Moon posted...
Interesting and potentially game breakingly useful depending on what Aether means here.

Gonna go back onto the day two discussion and mention "pure aether" is not necessarily a good thing but I'm done with overthinking it.

I still hold to my stated suspicions, mind.


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MZero
02/04/22 8:39:45 PM
#25:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Keep tidus safe at all costs he is my favorite.

changing this to my sig for smfffc season btw


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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:40:05 PM
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masterplum posted...
You act like I remember this at all
It's unusual if I don't wall of text at least once by day 3 or day 4. It helps me get my thoughts out.

It's a habit I've tried to get out of but then everything just mashes up together in my head.


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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 8:40:16 PM
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MZero posted...
changing this to my sig for smfffc season btw

I mean tidus is my favorite non ffxiv character so its not horribly wrong

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masterplum
02/04/22 8:47:00 PM
#28:


My gut is also red is scum, but that probably means red is obvious town

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red13n
02/04/22 8:49:18 PM
#29:


Isquen posted...


Gonna go back onto the day two discussion and mention "pure aether" is not necessarily a good thing but I'm done with overthinking it.

I still hold to my stated suspicions, mind.

What exactly did you say on this? Sorry cant search just yet.

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 8:51:28 PM
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Isquen suspected Chris and Scare, I remember that much.

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MZero
02/04/22 8:52:31 PM
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So what do we think the chances are that there is a scum WoL too and Mike was supposed to try and find that one instead of Ulti? I remember people talking about a character named Elidibus who would fit the bill. I think that makes the role make more sense.

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 9:01:07 PM
#32:


Does it really matter?

We need to be hunting for scum, not diving back into day 2's flavor meta.

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Isquen
02/04/22 9:04:32 PM
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red13n posted...
What exactly did you say on this? Sorry cant search just yet.

Crescent posted my day 2 suspicions, but I was more alluding to the tinfoil hatting about WoL not necessarily being a good thing, or Ardbert not necessarily being Ardbert, et cetera.

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red13n
02/04/22 9:09:55 PM
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The only examples I could think of regarding aether being pure is the screwed up people in the first and the tempered.

But I don't think ascians are any less pure than anyone else.

So what it actually means who the hell knows.

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MZero
02/04/22 9:17:29 PM
#35:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Does it really matter?

We need to be hunting for scum, not diving back into day 2's flavor meta.

but what if we could find scum by diving back into day 2's flavor meta?

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 9:24:00 PM
#36:


red13n posted...
Do you happen to know what the other option was because pure isn't really a term used to my knowledge.

Pure or dark aether. AFAIK that's not something that's in the game (in fact i think Ascians have the same aether as everyone else?) so I'm assuming it's just a fun way to refer to good and evil and it's basically a cop scan?

And Chris, I'm not asking you to carry the game on your back (obviously, considering there have been people that aren't you putting in 80% of the activity) but I would like a little more than "Hey don't do that" followed by "I told you so". For example, who are you leaning towards for the scum team, currently, and why?

Mzero's role is interesting and I guess that means mafia don't have an extra kill or they got blocked/shot into bulletproof. Question for people with more experience: Is there any way that's a scum role?

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red13n
02/04/22 9:38:58 PM
#37:


MikeTavish posted...
(in fact i think Ascians have the same aether as everyone else?)

They have more but I wouldn't really call it any less pure than anyone else.

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 9:39:26 PM
#38:


That also means we have another mislynch to work with unless I'm crazy or missing something, right?

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red13n
02/04/22 9:47:09 PM
#39:


MikeTavish posted...
Mzero's role is interesting and I guess that means mafia don't have an extra kill or they got blocked/shot into bulletproof. Question for people with more experience: Is there any way that's a scum role?

It is...possible it is a scum role?

I wouldnt necessarily bet on it but also it isn't exactly something we've seen before. Not something I'd bothering considering just yet.

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masterplum
02/04/22 9:53:50 PM
#40:


red13n posted...


It is...possible it is a scum role?

I wouldnt necessarily bet on it but also it isn't exactly something we've seen before. Not something I'd bothering considering just yet.

Given how insane this game is, why not

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 9:54:13 PM
#41:


So basically flavor meta is saying we have no actual idea what the scan Mike claimed means zzzz

MikeTavish posted...
Mzero's role is interesting and I guess that means mafia don't have an extra kill or they got blocked/shot into bulletproof. Question for people with more experience: Is there any way that's a scum role?
The one thing that sticks out to me about "Commuter" is that towns generally don't have both a BP and a Commuter. It's generally frowned upon for a town to have two people who cannot be conventionally nightkilled, though the "Disappearing" part is something I've never heard of before with a Commuter.

But: For him to be scum requires a different scum to have a role I've only ever seen once, or for him to be scum with a role I've never seen before.

Is it possible? Yes. Is it something I'd be willing to bet on right now? No.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/04/22 10:06:59 PM
#42:


Back in my day we didn't flavor meta because it is stupid.

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:11:17 PM
#43:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Back in my day we didn't flavor meta because it is stupid.

Let's do something less stupid then. Let's answer Mike's question.

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masterplum
02/04/22 10:16:54 PM
#44:


We do have Mzero claiming power so I am ok with a scare claim

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MZero
02/04/22 10:28:31 PM
#45:


more votes on Scare would be welcome

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Isquen
02/04/22 10:29:30 PM
#46:


All right. I'm gonna nameclaim, vote, take some medicine, maybe play a round of Dota, and go to bed. I work early tomorrow.

I'm Yugiri. Make your own guesses as to what my role can manage to do.

I still suspect Scare might just be coasting a bit too. I'm more inclined to go for Plum first, especially with Ulti leaning on them earlier, but we've already got a Scare vote in. I'm willing to guess there's only two scum and one SK still floating around (and if that's the case, how is Mike still alive, unless Zenos's fixation was merely one-sided and he can't get through the Bulletproof? Unless we have a doctor floating around that saw that coming too, or the SK is asleep at the wheel and didn't do a night action, and is one of the coasters.)

##Vote: Plum

And I'm still suspicious of Chris, "pure aether" or not. For all I know that could mean he's an unsundered Ascian (like the aforementioned Elidibus) and not some cackling idiot one.

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Isquen
02/04/22 10:32:14 PM
#47:


Oops, misvoted.
##unvote
##vote: Scare

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MZero
02/04/22 10:34:34 PM
#48:


Isquen posted...
I'm willing to guess there's only two scum and one SK still floating around

...why?

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Crescent-Moon
02/04/22 10:34:55 PM
#49:




Isquen posted...
or the SK is asleep at the wheel and didn't do a night action, and is one of the coasters.)

As far as I know, SKs are compulsively forced to shoot at night, and will be modkilled if they don't shoot anyone. It's why an SK might try to hide their shots by trying to crosskill with mafia or by shooting people they think won't die.

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MikeTavish
02/04/22 10:36:49 PM
#50:


Very odd thought process thinking there's a two man mafia team and two third parties in this game. I think you're town tbh, but I really highly doubt you're correct unless you know something the rest of us don't.

I'm also down for a scare claim because he's done absolutely nothing this game imo.

##Vote: Scare

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