Current Events > US raid in Syria leaves 13 dead, including 6 children

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-forces-launch-raid-in-syria-civilians-also-reported-dead/ar-AATqeVe?ocid=uxbndlbing

ATMEH, Syria (AP) U.S. special forces carried out what the Pentagon said was a successful, large-scale counterterrorism raid in northwestern Syria early Thursday. First responders at the scene reported 13 people had been killed, including six children and four women.

The operation, which residents say lasted about two hours, jolted the sleepy village of Atmeh near the Turkish border an area dotted with camps for internally displaced people from Syria's civil war. The target of the raid was not immediately clear.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said in a brief statement that the mission was a success. There were no U.S. casualties. More information will be provided as it becomes available.
Several residents told The Associated Press they saw body parts scattered near the site of the raid, a house in Syria's rebel-held Idlib province. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, and said the raid involved helicopters, explosions and machine-gun fire.

It was the largest raid in the province since the 2019 U.S. assault targeting the Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Idlib is is broadly controlled by Turkey-backed fighters, but is also an Al-Qaida stronghold and home to several of its top operatives. Other militants have also found refuge in the region.

Reports on the number of dead varied. A journalist on assignment for the AP saw body parts around the house, whose upper story was almost completely leveled leaving rubble in the surrounding olive grove.

Blood could be seen on the walls and floor of the remaining structure, which contained a wrecked bedroom with a child's wooden crib on the floor. On one damaged wall, a blue plastic swing for children was still hanging. The kitchen was blackened with fire damage.

The opposition-run Syrian Civil Defense, first responders also known as the White Helmets, said 13 people were killed in shelling and clashes that ensued after U.S. the commando raid. They included six children and four women, it said.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an opposition war monitor, said the strike killed nine people, including two children and a woman. Ahmad Rahhal, a citizen journalist who visited the site, reported seeing 12 bodies.

The Pentagon provided no details on who was the target of the raid, or if any combatants or civilians on the ground were killed or injured.

Residents and activists described witnessing a large ground assault, with U.S. forces using loudspeakers urging women and children to leave the area.

There was at least one major explosion. A U.S. official said that one of the helicopters in the raid suffered a mechanical problem and had to be blown up on the ground. The U.S. official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details of the military operation.

The Observatory said troops for the U.S.-led coalition using helicopters landed in the area and attacked a house. It said the force clashed with fighters on the ground. Taher al-Omar, an Idlib-based activist, also said he witnessed clashes between fighters and the U.S. force.

The military operation got attention on social media, with tweets from the region describing helicopters firing around the building near Atmeh. Flight-tracking data also suggested that multiple drones were circling the city of Sarmada and the village of Salwah, just north of the raid's location.
The clandestine operation came as the Islamic State group was reasserting itself, carrying out some of its biggest attacks since it was defeated in 2019. In recent weeks and months, the group has launched a series of operations in the region, including a 10-day assault late last month to seize a prison in northeastern Syria.

A U.S.-backed Kurdish-led force said more than 120 of their fighters and prison workers died in the effort to thwart the IS plot, whose goal appeared to free senior IS operatives from the prison. The prison houses at least 3,000 Islamic State group detainees.

The attempted prison break was the biggest military operation by the extremist group since IS was defeated and members scattered to havens in 2019. The U.S.-led coalition carried out airstrikes and deployed American personnel in Bradley Fighting Vehicles to the prison area to help the Kurdish forces.

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>civilians dead
>"successful"

I mean, do you have evidence that the US killed them and not a suicide bomber? It's up in the air right now.

the US is still in Syria?

Some choice quotes:
"successful, large-scale counterterrorism raid"
"13 people had been killed, including six children and four women"

"John Kirby said in a brief statement that the mission was a success. 'There were no U.S. casualties[...]'"

Background_Guy posted...

I mean, do you have evidence that the US killed them and not a suicide bomber? It's up in the air right now.

Are you suggesting they would have died if this raid didn't happen?

Jagr_68 posted...

>civilians dead
>"successful"

Sounds about Murrica

Antifar posted...

The Observatory said troops for the U.S.-led coalition using helicopters landed in the area and attacked a house.

poor house

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you suggesting they would have died if this raid didn't happen?

Are you suggesting we shouldn't do anything about the leader of ISIS because he might blow his family up?

Are people supposed to care when articles emphasize women and children?

Like if women and children haven't been suicide bombers in the past

Background_Guy posted...

Are you suggesting we shouldn't do anything about the leader of ISIS because he might blow his family up?

I feel like there's some more options somewhere between murdering a bunch of civilians and not doing anything at all.

Background_Guy posted...

Are you suggesting we shouldn't do anything about the leader of ISIS because he might blow his family up?

What exactly was said leader up to? Have you ever even heard of the dude?

Why was it so critical to kill all these people just to get him?

And you are making big assumption that he blew up his family. Hasan Abi is discussing it and apparently many are considering that USA propaganda to get out the fact that they killed innocent people.

Northlane posted...

Jesus fucking christ

Am I the only person unable to mark post 10? "You are not authorized to report this item" what

Why are Americans ok with the government practicing terrorism (killing innocent children) and then hate terrorists so much?

I should be shocked but I'm really not. Meet the new boss same as the old boss

WingsOfGood posted...

And you are making big assumption that he blew up his family. Hasan Abi is discussing it and apparently many are considering that USA propaganda to get out the fact that they killed innocent people.

So my choices are

1)Believe Biden, who knows what happened but has reason to lie
or
2)Believe Hasan, who has no idea what happened and also has reason to lie

Right now Biden has the edge, until actual new info comes out.

Background_Guy posted...

So my choices are

1)Believe Biden, who knows what happened but has reason to lie
or
2)Believe Hasan, who has no idea what happened and also has reason to lie

Right now Biden has the edge, until actual new info comes out.

What reason does Hasan have to lie?

I don't know why anyone would believe the US government's story given how much they lie. Remember when they droned a family, lied about the car being filled with explosives, then later said "oops yeah that was the wrong car but there was no misconduct."

WingsOfGood posted...

What exactly was said leader up to? Have you ever even heard of the dude?

He was leading a genocidal religious cult

Hornezz posted...

I feel like there's some more options somewhere between murdering a bunch of civilians and not doing anything at all.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/ 01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html
We have witness testimony saying the US gave the civillians a chance to leave but they refused to move, or they were being held hostage. And once again, we don't even know which side killed them.

again?!

Another botched operation.

WingsOfGood posted...

What reason does Hasan have to lie?

Because his entire ideology is anti-US? And that's also how he makes his money.

remember when US bombed a hospital
blocked independent investigations
put up some scapegoats
then claimed there was no war crime
it was just one big whoopsie

Background_Guy posted...

Because his entire ideology is anti-US? And that's also how he makes his money.

Lol no it is isn't.

lderivedx posted...

I don't know why anyone would believe the US government's story given how much they lie. Remember when they droned a family, lied about the car being filled with explosives, then later said "oops yeah that was the wrong car but there was no misconduct."

WingsOfGood posted...

What reason does Hasan have to lie?

You seriously dont know hes a grifter?

Literally your only arguments are your feeeeelings.
I'm just saying to wait for evidence.

I don't know why we're resting the "do not take the United States Military's claims at face value" side on some Twitch streamer.

Antifar posted...

I don't know why we're resting the "do not take the United States Military's claims at face value" side on some Twitch streamer.

We aren't:

ModLogic posted...

remember when US bombed a hospital
blocked independent investigations
put up some scapegoats
then claimed there was no war crime
it was just one big whoopsie

Antifar posted...

I don't know why we're resting the "do not take the United States Military's claims at face value" side on some Twitch streamer.

Because your whole argument is "Me and a bunch of twitch streamers think they're lying because we said so. The US government isn't trustworthy but a bunch of internet shitposters are."

Background_Guy posted...

Literally your only arguments are your feeeeelings.
I'm just saying to wait for evidence.

Them lying in the past in the same exact circumstances is just my feelings?

I feel like pouring fire on fire might just create a larger fire the way it has since the beginning of the War on Terror but idk

Background_Guy posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/ 01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html
We have witness testimony saying the US gave the civillians a chance to leave but they refused to move, or they were being held hostage.

A bit unfair to assume the children really had a say in whether they could leave or not.

Not sure why you included that link. That was a different time when the US military murdered a bunch of children, not this one.

Background_Guy posted...

Because your whole argument is "Me and a bunch of twitch streamers think they're lying because we said so. The US government isn't trustworthy but a bunch of internet shitposters are."

That is not my argument. I'm saying the US government isn't trustworthy because they have a documented track record of lying about incidents where we killed civilians. Fool me once, shame on me, and all that.

I have never and will never care about a Twitch streamer.

Background_Guy posted...

Because your whole argument is "Me and a bunch of twitch streamers think they're lying because we said so. The US government isn't trustworthy but a bunch of internet shitposters are."

I mean I feel like nothing the US military says should be taken at face value. That should be everyone's default stance.

WingsOfGood posted...

What exactly was said leader up to? Have you ever even heard of the dude?

Are you actually defending the leader of one of the largest terrorists groups in the world after they swept across Syria and Iraq
like what the fuck

ScazarMeltex posted...

I mean I feel like nothing the US military says should be taken at face value. That should be everyone's default stance.

Yes but posters ITT are assuming the exact opposite of what they're saying is with no evidence whatsoever. That's no more reasonable than just trusting the US government blindly.

US gonna US

OmegaShinkai posted...

Are you actually defending the leader of one of the largest terrorists groups in the world after they swept across Syria and Iraq
like what the fuck

I am wondering why his death is worth killing a bunch of children.
Was he the leader since the Obama days? If not, then why do you suppose his death deals a huge blow? Someone else will just replace him fueled by the anger that the USA kills innocent kids.

Background_Guy posted...

That's no more reasonable than just trusting the US government blindly.

It is more reasonable to believe the USA that has a track record of civilian casualties and lying about them, did so again

Than to believe the man killed his own family.

@Background_Guy

WingsOfGood posted...

It is more reasonable to believe the USA that has a track record of civilian casualties and lying about them, did so again

Than to believe the man killed his own family.

@Background_Guy

...You don't believe ISIS would ever commit suicide bombings?

It's strange that you assume the worst of the US (without evidence) but you seem to implicitly trust that the ISIS leader would never do anything wrong. Really bizarre double standard.

If another country left U.S. citizens including children dead then what would happen

Background_Guy posted...

...You don't believe ISIS would ever commit suicide bombings?

It's strange that you assume the worst of the US (without evidence) but you seem to implicitly trust that the ISIS leader would never do anything wrong. Really bizarre double standard.

Only one being strange here is you.
You seem to think a dude is just going to blow up his own family over a military who has a history of killing citizens and innocents in raids and lying about it.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

If another country left U.S. citizens including children dead then what would happen

They would be invaded and labeled as terrorists.

Jeez, and america acts surprised when they face retaliation.

Background_Guy posted...

...You don't believe ISIS would ever commit suicide bombings?

It's strange that you assume the worst of the US (without evidence) but you seem to implicitly trust that the ISIS leader would never do anything wrong. Really bizarre double standard.

I have no problem believing that the dude might do something like this. I also have no problem believing that the US military lies about civilian casualties. That being said it's the US in this situation making the claim, not ISIS.

Biden picking up where he left off with the Obama administration I see.

We sure showed those innocent women and children what's what

The reason that women and children were killed, is because the isis cowards like to try and hide among them. It never works.
Whenever you hear a report of civilian casualties, it's because isis are cowards with no honor. They bomb and kill inocents, then run to hide amongst the women and children.

@Background_Guy

well well well

as it turns out, USA ALREADY GOT CAUGHT LYING ABOUT THIS

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/03/islamic-state-leader-killed-family-with-bomb-during-syria-raid-us-official-claims-live

However, there was a significant discrepancy between the initial Pentagon report that eight children had been safely evacuated and two children were killed by the blast triggered by Qurayshi, and the accounts of first responders on the scene who say they found six children and four women dead.

Some of the corpses in the area do not look like they died in an explosion. They look like they were hit by extremely heavy calibre gunfire, Charles Lister, director of the Syria programme at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said. And we do know, because I saw it in a video last night as it was happening, that at least one of the helicopters in the area fired its heavy machine guns at the building for over a minute straight.