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Lebronwon 02/03/22 12:20:05 PM #1: |
https://nypost.com/2022/02/03/aoc-says-whoopi-goldberg-suspension-was-unnecessary/ Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said ABCs suspension of Whoopi Goldberg over her comments about the Holocaust wasnt necessary, arguing that Goldberg has already been forgiven by a key Jewish organization. Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) noted that the head of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, accepted her apology. I think whenever theres a learning moment like this, whats super important is the relationship between that person and the community theyre making amends with, the New York congresswoman told TMZ. Greenblatt appeared on The View on Tuesday after Goldberg came under fire for saying that the Holocaust wasnt about race during the shows Monday broadcast. The ADL head told Goldberg and her co-hosts on Tuesday that the Holocaust was a singular catastrophe that was motivated by a racialized anti-Semitism. Greenblatt also tweeted that Goldberg was a long-time ally of the Jewish community and that her apology is very much welcome. Ocasio-Cortez told TMZ that forgiveness from Greenblatt should suffice. I think we really kind of take the Jewish communitys lead on this and they seem to see that her apology was authentic and want to move on, she said. Goldberg first argued that the Holocaust went beyond race during a discussion on The View about a Tennessee school districts decision to ban Maus, the Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel about a Holocaust survivor. The Holocaust isnt about race. No, its not about race, she said repeatedly. Its about mans inhumanity to man. She then repeated the statement on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert that evening. The host walked back the remarks on Twitter later that night amid widespread outrage. The suspension handed down by ABC News president Kim Godwin drew furious reaction from Goldbergs co-hosts, who felt it was unwarranted. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turbam 02/03/22 12:20:26 PM #2: |
Not reading all of that, but I disagree --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! https://imgur.com/p9Xvjvs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 02/03/22 12:21:29 PM #4: |
Dumb take. Shocker. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 02/03/22 12:21:53 PM #5: |
Dunno the context --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 02/03/22 12:21:53 PM #6: |
How about she loses her job AND gets forgiven by those she offended? I'd lose my job. It's privilege that the rich and famous can even get off with apologies. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/03/22 12:24:20 PM #7: |
The ADL isn't the official and universally agreed upon group that represents Jewish people. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 02/03/22 12:25:50 PM #8: |
I agree, but whatever, thats between her and her employers --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AltOmega2 02/03/22 12:26:11 PM #9: |
pretty sure Whoopi only took the last name of Goldberg to make herself marketable as supposedly Jewish and has gone on record saying such the Holocaust comment was completely unsurprising coming from her ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 02/03/22 12:28:00 PM #10: |
What a psychotic move on AOC's part. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AngelsNAirwav3s 02/03/22 12:28:31 PM #11: |
She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive --- Hello world! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SydneySweenHero 02/03/22 12:29:05 PM #12: |
I would fuck the shit out of AOC, but that is a dumb take lol --- NeonOctopus's Alt #7 >_> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AltOmega2 02/03/22 12:29:40 PM #13: |
AngelsNAirwav3s posted... She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensivefor some reason I thought Disney rehired Gina but maybe I've been bamboozled ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 02/03/22 12:29:58 PM #14: |
AngelsNAirwav3s posted... She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensiveWhat a clown post --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 02/03/22 12:30:01 PM #15: |
SydneySweenHero posted... I would fuck the shit out of AOC, but that is a dumb take lol Im sure shed find that reassuring --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheMikh 02/03/22 12:30:03 PM #16: |
SydneySweenHero posted... respect women --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BuckVanHammer 02/03/22 12:30:32 PM #17: |
gunplagirl posted... The ADL isn't the official and universally agreed upon group that represents Jewish people.yup...the original comments are a crazy take. she needed some time away to figure that shit out for sure. --- Minimal, yet feature rich. https://imgur.com/bphehs8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 02/03/22 12:31:18 PM #18: |
AngelsNAirwav3s posted... She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensiveYou should consider not being an evil person. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 02/03/22 12:31:37 PM #19: |
Just because you get forgiven, doesn't mean you should no longer be punished or see a consequence. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Criminalt 02/03/22 12:39:55 PM #20: |
From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way. All she seems to have done is to wrongheadedly mischaracterize it as "not being about race" simply because there were no genuine "racial" differences between killer and victim (if it wasn't "really" about race, it was definitely about racism), and apparently tried to universalize its meaning by folding it into "man's inhumanity to man". Can anyone point to comments she's previously made about the Holocaust which would indicate this is part of a pattern of wilful misunderstanding? If not, then the suspension might have been deserved on the grounds of dumbassery that you can't and shouldn't give a free pass to -- but a sacking, no. --- No tricks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 02/03/22 12:48:32 PM #21: |
Nothing about Whoopi's comment seems even slightly malicious, just overwhelmingly ignorant. She seems confused that racism can occur when the two groups involved have similar skin tones. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Indoril 02/03/22 12:49:55 PM #22: |
So glad we have AOC to let us know what's appropriate regarding incredibly stupid Holocaust comments --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 02/03/22 12:51:35 PM #23: |
Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 02/03/22 12:51:55 PM #24: |
I like AOC, but some of things she says are dumb --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dat_Cracka_Jax 02/03/22 12:53:17 PM #25: |
Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel? --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master_Bass 02/03/22 12:53:21 PM #26: |
Why would she even open her mouth about this issue, and why was she even talking to TMZ in the first place? Dumb take from her, and a stupid decision all around. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Indoril 02/03/22 12:53:47 PM #27: |
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted... Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel?Shut the fuck up. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MutantJohn 02/03/22 12:54:00 PM #28: |
Criminalt posted... From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way. This is kind of my take too. People need to focus on real problems and not this. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Indoril 02/03/22 12:55:05 PM #29: |
MutantJohn posted... This is kind of my take too.Yes, clearly this is taking up so much energy that nobody is able to care about anything else --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Le_Corbeau 02/03/22 12:55:24 PM #30: |
AOC says Stopped right there. --- "Then the message said . . . [END OF MESSAGE]" -- current White House occupant LET'S GO, BRANDON!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 02/03/22 12:55:45 PM #31: |
AngelsNAirwav3s posted... She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive If Whoopi's comments really do come from a place of genuine misunderstanding - and let me stress that I don't know either way whether they do or not - then that's a bigger factor than how "offensive" they were. A person who severely offends but didn't mean to do so, is less of an asshole than someone who goes around intending to minorly offend. --- Anything is a Trumble if you're brave enough. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 02/03/22 12:55:59 PM #32: |
I mean. I'm not going to be the person to say what "the right punishment" for Whoopi Goldberg is. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eridania67814 02/03/22 12:56:21 PM #33: |
Criminalt posted... From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way. That part. The same people who think Whoopi should be jettisoned from Earth for this moderate transgression are the ones who say "all lives matter" and "there's only one race: the human race" and ask why people of color always make it about race. But then double standards seem to be the only standards right now --- Never in the history of calm down has anyone calmed down by being told to calm down ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Criminalt 02/03/22 12:56:37 PM #34: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted... Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically.I haven't the faintest fucking clue what Goldberg's politics are, and I don't particularly care. I'm going by what I've read so far of the reports of what she said. --- No tricks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 02/03/22 12:58:03 PM #36: |
Criminalt posted... I haven't the faintest fucking clue what Goldberg's politics are, and I don't particularly care. I'm going by what I've read so far of the reports of what she said. This. I barely even knew who she was prior to this, like I'd heard her name but that's about it. And I'm pretty open about not liking AOC, for that matter. --- Anything is a Trumble if you're brave enough. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MutantJohn 02/03/22 12:58:21 PM #37: |
lol walking up to a black woman in America and telling her what is and what isn't racist --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeadBankerDream 02/03/22 12:58:47 PM #38: |
Trumble posted... This. I barely even knew who she was prior to this, like I'd heard her name but that's about it. And I'm pretty open about not liking AOC, for that matter.She's the partner in the buddy cop movie with the t-rex. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 02/03/22 12:59:21 PM #39: |
I honestly think she was making the mistake of conflating skin color with race. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AltOmega2 02/03/22 12:59:36 PM #40: |
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted... Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel?given that Israel is an Ethnostate I'd expect more liberals not to be okay with that ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 02/03/22 1:00:02 PM #41: |
Is AOC Jewish? I don't really give a shit but I figured she'd know better than to weigh in on things like this. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna COMBINED! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/03/22 1:02:38 PM #42: |
Turbam posted... Not reading all of that, but I disagree --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 02/03/22 1:04:21 PM #43: |
AOC 2 days ago: I needed to take a break from social media after getting covid because of all the negativity https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/aoc-discusses-break-from-twitter-citing-anxiety-post-covid AOC 1 day ago: A TMZ interview on celebrity gossip? Sure, why not. https://www.tmz.com/2022/02/02/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-whoopi-goldberg-holocaust-suspension-apology/ --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eridania67814 02/03/22 1:04:36 PM #44: |
ScazarMeltex posted... I honestly think she was making the mistake of conflating skin color with race. I think the fact we would describe German and Polish Jews as a different race than the other Germans and Polish people is why we can't get certain peopleto accept the rest of us as Americans... It's problematic every way you approach it --- Never in the history of calm down has anyone calmed down by being told to calm down ... Copied to Clipboard!
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E_S_M_Z 02/03/22 1:04:42 PM #45: |
EmbraceOfDeath posted... Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically. This is definitely true and leftists absolutely practice team hyposcrisy. But I do feel like in this case, if a conservative said that, in the context of their own racial politics, it would probably be deemed to carry a different meaning. Put another way, from someone with a history of minimizing racism, this would be considered part of that agenda. From someone without that history, it's just being fucking dumb. --- Join the club. Be part of the exclusive group called whoever, at: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1482- ()xxx[]:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrToothHasYou 02/03/22 1:07:46 PM #46: |
I think two weeks might have been overkill but a temporary suspension isnt that bad for downplaying the role of racism in the Holocaust, imo. Hopefully she utilizes her time off well and educates herself a bit more about the subject. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solution_45 02/03/22 1:07:47 PM #47: |
Alexandria Omicron-Cortez giving a clown take shocking. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unsugarized_Foo 02/03/22 1:09:55 PM #48: |
Ben Shapiro agrees --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 02/03/22 1:10:25 PM #49: |
AOC, I used to like you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 02/03/22 1:10:27 PM #50: |
Has Whoopi had a history downplaying the Holocaust before? I think her comment about "racism" is that she's conflating race to skin tone, which to me feels more ignorant than malicious intent. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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