Current Events > AOC says Whoopi Goldberg suspension over Holocaust comments was unnecessary

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Lebronwon
02/03/22 12:20:05 PM
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/03/aoc-says-whoopi-goldberg-suspension-was-unnecessary/

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said ABCs suspension of Whoopi Goldberg over her comments about the Holocaust wasnt necessary, arguing that Goldberg has already been forgiven by a key Jewish organization. Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) noted that the head of the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt, accepted her apology. I think whenever theres a learning moment like this, whats super important is the relationship between that person and the community theyre making amends with, the New York congresswoman told TMZ. Greenblatt appeared on The View on Tuesday after Goldberg came under fire for saying that the Holocaust wasnt about race during the shows Monday broadcast. The ADL head told Goldberg and her co-hosts on Tuesday that the Holocaust was a singular catastrophe that was motivated by a racialized anti-Semitism. Greenblatt also tweeted that Goldberg was a long-time ally of the Jewish community and that her apology is very much welcome.

Ocasio-Cortez told TMZ that forgiveness from Greenblatt should suffice. I think we really kind of take the Jewish communitys lead on this and they seem to see that her apology was authentic and want to move on, she said. Goldberg first argued that the Holocaust went beyond race during a discussion on The View about a Tennessee school districts decision to ban Maus, the Pulitzer Prize-winning graphic novel about a Holocaust survivor. The Holocaust isnt about race. No, its not about race, she said repeatedly. Its about mans inhumanity to man. She then repeated the statement on The Late Show With Stephen Colbert that evening. The host walked back the remarks on Twitter later that night amid widespread outrage. The suspension handed down by ABC News president Kim Godwin drew furious reaction from Goldbergs co-hosts, who felt it was unwarranted.



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Turbam
02/03/22 12:20:26 PM
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Not reading all of that, but I disagree

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K181
02/03/22 12:21:29 PM
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Dumb take. Shocker.


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Irony
02/03/22 12:21:53 PM
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Dunno the context

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hockeybub89
02/03/22 12:21:53 PM
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How about she loses her job AND gets forgiven by those she offended?

I'd lose my job. It's privilege that the rich and famous can even get off with apologies.

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gunplagirl
02/03/22 12:24:20 PM
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The ADL isn't the official and universally agreed upon group that represents Jewish people.

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Solid Snake07
02/03/22 12:25:50 PM
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I agree, but whatever, thats between her and her employers

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AltOmega2
02/03/22 12:26:11 PM
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pretty sure Whoopi only took the last name of Goldberg to make herself marketable as supposedly Jewish and has gone on record saying such
the Holocaust comment was completely unsurprising coming from her
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DeadBankerDream
02/03/22 12:28:00 PM
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What a psychotic move on AOC's part.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/03/22 12:28:31 PM
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She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive

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SydneySweenHero
02/03/22 12:29:05 PM
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I would fuck the shit out of AOC, but that is a dumb take lol

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AltOmega2
02/03/22 12:29:40 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive
for some reason I thought Disney rehired Gina but maybe I've been bamboozled
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hockeybub89
02/03/22 12:29:58 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive
What a clown post

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Solid Snake07
02/03/22 12:30:01 PM
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SydneySweenHero posted...
I would fuck the shit out of AOC, but that is a dumb take lol


Im sure shed find that reassuring

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TheMikh
02/03/22 12:30:03 PM
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SydneySweenHero posted...

respect women

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BuckVanHammer
02/03/22 12:30:32 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
The ADL isn't the official and universally agreed upon group that represents Jewish people.
yup...the original comments are a crazy take. she needed some time away to figure that shit out for sure.

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DeadBankerDream
02/03/22 12:31:18 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive
You should consider not being an evil person.

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Funkydog
02/03/22 12:31:37 PM
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Just because you get forgiven, doesn't mean you should no longer be punished or see a consequence.

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Criminalt
02/03/22 12:39:55 PM
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From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way.

All she seems to have done is to wrongheadedly mischaracterize it as "not being about race" simply because there were no genuine "racial" differences between killer and victim (if it wasn't "really" about race, it was definitely about racism), and apparently tried to universalize its meaning by folding it into "man's inhumanity to man".

Can anyone point to comments she's previously made about the Holocaust which would indicate this is part of a pattern of wilful misunderstanding? If not, then the suspension might have been deserved on the grounds of dumbassery that you can't and shouldn't give a free pass to -- but a sacking, no.

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DeadBankerDream
02/03/22 12:48:32 PM
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Nothing about Whoopi's comment seems even slightly malicious, just overwhelmingly ignorant. She seems confused that racism can occur when the two groups involved have similar skin tones.

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Indoril
02/03/22 12:49:55 PM
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So glad we have AOC to let us know what's appropriate regarding incredibly stupid Holocaust comments

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/03/22 12:51:35 PM
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Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically.

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Jiek_Fafn
02/03/22 12:51:55 PM
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I like AOC, but some of things she says are dumb

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/03/22 12:53:17 PM
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Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel?

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Master_Bass
02/03/22 12:53:21 PM
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Why would she even open her mouth about this issue, and why was she even talking to TMZ in the first place? Dumb take from her, and a stupid decision all around.

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Indoril
02/03/22 12:53:47 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel?
Shut the fuck up.

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MutantJohn
02/03/22 12:54:00 PM
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Criminalt posted...
From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way.

All she seems to have done is to wrongheadedly mischaracterize it as "not being about race" simply because there were no genuine "racial" differences between killer and victim (if it wasn't "really" about race, it was definitely about racism), and apparently tried to universalize its meaning by folding it into "man's inhumanity to man".

Can anyone point to comments she's previously made about the Holocaust which would indicate this is part of a pattern of wilful misunderstanding? If not, then the suspension might have been deserved on the grounds of dumbassery that you can't and shouldn't give a free pass to -- but a sacking, no.

This is kind of my take too.

People need to focus on real problems and not this.

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Indoril
02/03/22 12:55:05 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
This is kind of my take too.

People need to focus on real problems and not this.
Yes, clearly this is taking up so much energy that nobody is able to care about anything else

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Le_Corbeau
02/03/22 12:55:24 PM
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AOC says

Stopped right there.

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Trumble
02/03/22 12:55:45 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
She has to be fired, Disney set the standard with Gina Carano, now Disney cant just let Whoopi skate by after saying something way more offensive

If Whoopi's comments really do come from a place of genuine misunderstanding - and let me stress that I don't know either way whether they do or not - then that's a bigger factor than how "offensive" they were. A person who severely offends but didn't mean to do so, is less of an asshole than someone who goes around intending to minorly offend.

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CyricZ
02/03/22 12:55:59 PM
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I mean.

I'm not going to be the person to say what "the right punishment" for Whoopi Goldberg is.

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eridania67814
02/03/22 12:56:21 PM
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Criminalt posted...
From what I've read of the interviews and her apologies, she hasn't yet said anything that could reasonably be interpreted as trivializing, excusing, relativizing, or downplaying either the scale or horror of the Holocaust or blaming the victims in any way.

All she seems to have done is to wrongheadedly mischaracterize it as "not being about race" simply because there were no genuine "racial" differences between killer and victim (if it wasn't "really" about race, it was definitely about racism), and apparently tried to universalize its meaning by folding it into "man's inhumanity to man".

Can anyone point to comments she's previously made about the Holocaust which would indicate this is part of a pattern of wilful misunderstanding? If not, then the suspension might have been deserved on the grounds of dumbassery that you can't and shouldn't give a free pass to -- but a sacking, no.

That part. The same people who think Whoopi should be jettisoned from Earth for this moderate transgression are the ones who say "all lives matter" and "there's only one race: the human race" and ask why people of color always make it about race. But then double standards seem to be the only standards right now

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Criminalt
02/03/22 12:56:37 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically.
I haven't the faintest fucking clue what Goldberg's politics are, and I don't particularly care. I'm going by what I've read so far of the reports of what she said.

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Trumble
02/03/22 12:58:03 PM
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Criminalt posted...
I haven't the faintest fucking clue what Goldberg's politics are, and I don't particularly care. I'm going by what I've read so far of the reports of what she said.

This. I barely even knew who she was prior to this, like I'd heard her name but that's about it. And I'm pretty open about not liking AOC, for that matter.

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MutantJohn
02/03/22 12:58:21 PM
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lol walking up to a black woman in America and telling her what is and what isn't racist

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DeadBankerDream
02/03/22 12:58:47 PM
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Trumble posted...
This. I barely even knew who she was prior to this, like I'd heard her name but that's about it. And I'm pretty open about not liking AOC, for that matter.
She's the partner in the buddy cop movie with the t-rex.

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ScazarMeltex
02/03/22 12:59:21 PM
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I honestly think she was making the mistake of conflating skin color with race.

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AltOmega2
02/03/22 12:59:36 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Doesn't aoc and the squad not like Israel?
given that Israel is an Ethnostate I'd expect more liberals not to be okay with that
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EndOfDiscOne
02/03/22 1:00:02 PM
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Is AOC Jewish?

I don't really give a shit but I figured she'd know better than to weigh in on things like this.

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UnfairRepresent
02/03/22 1:02:38 PM
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Turbam posted...
Not reading all of that, but I disagree


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s0nicfan
02/03/22 1:04:21 PM
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AOC 2 days ago: I needed to take a break from social media after getting covid because of all the negativity
https://www.audacy.com/1010wins/news/local/aoc-discusses-break-from-twitter-citing-anxiety-post-covid

AOC 1 day ago: A TMZ interview on celebrity gossip? Sure, why not.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/02/02/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-whoopi-goldberg-holocaust-suspension-apology/


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eridania67814
02/03/22 1:04:36 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
I honestly think she was making the mistake of conflating skin color with race.

I think the fact we would describe German and Polish Jews as a different race than the other Germans and Polish people is why we can't get certain peopleto accept the rest of us as Americans...

It's problematic every way you approach it

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E_S_M_Z
02/03/22 1:04:42 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Lol people making excuses here absolutely wouldn't be doing the same if she was a conservative. The typical team politics hypocrisy. It's a real bad look to defend people saying things like that just because they lean the same politically.

This is definitely true and leftists absolutely practice team hyposcrisy.

But I do feel like in this case, if a conservative said that, in the context of their own racial politics, it would probably be deemed to carry a different meaning. Put another way, from someone with a history of minimizing racism, this would be considered part of that agenda. From someone without that history, it's just being fucking dumb.

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MrToothHasYou
02/03/22 1:07:46 PM
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I think two weeks might have been overkill but a temporary suspension isnt that bad for downplaying the role of racism in the Holocaust, imo. Hopefully she utilizes her time off well and educates herself a bit more about the subject.

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Solution_45
02/03/22 1:07:47 PM
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Alexandria Omicron-Cortez giving a clown take

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Unsugarized_Foo
02/03/22 1:09:55 PM
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Ben Shapiro agrees

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FortuneCookie
02/03/22 1:10:25 PM
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AOC, I used to like you.
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Prestoff
02/03/22 1:10:27 PM
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Has Whoopi had a history downplaying the Holocaust before? I think her comment about "racism" is that she's conflating race to skin tone, which to me feels more ignorant than malicious intent.

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