Current Events > revisited new vegas's dead money for the first time since it released

(+) Yeah! (+)

it sucks

conceptually, it's very cool, but a bit too ambitious for a single dlc story in its own little bubble. the ghost people, lore, atmosphere, and setting and all that are really cool and inspired, the problem is that there's not actually any reward. i mean what, the holorifle? automatic rifle? those are great weapons, but hardly worth the time and effort it takes to do the entire fucking dlc in one go, not to mention all the bullshit that gets stuck in your inventory from it.

definitely the weakest of the 4 add-ons, but the most memorable, it's in a schrodinger's box of being both bad and good at the same time, just don't open it, let it be, lol

The gold bars are pretty good reward, but the actual gameplay needed a lot more play testing.

It sucks you cant go back.

I actually really liked the lore of the area the most. Especially the "Let Go" message it tries to tell.

i mean i grabbed one bar as a souvenir, seeing as it's all i could carry

but money really isn't a good reward, considering lonesome road is practically a cap farm with all the high value loot marked men drop

I walked out with all the gold bars

viewmaster_pi posted...

definitely the weakest of the 4 add-ons

I think Dead Money's story is good enough to put it above Honest Hearts.

Even a character as great as the Burning Man couldnt get me to like that boring DLC.

Flauros posted...

It sucks you cant go back.

this is its biggest mark against it, literally everything is permanently missable unless you're using console commands on pc

not that there's that much meaningful gear to miss

I hated it the first time, but enjoyed it on subsequent playthroughs. Once you know where the radios that set off your collars are, it's way less hair-pulling.

honest hearts had great rewards though, best rifle in the game, some of the best light armor, unique laser pistol that can stun, unique .45, poison power fist, plus it was just a cool, lush area to explore

and you could bring shit with you

viewmaster_pi posted...

this is its biggest mark against it, literally everything is permanently missable unless you're using console commands on pc

not that there's that much meaningful gear to miss

The whole theme of Dead Money is about learning to let go

Did you even play it my guy?

viewmaster_pi posted...

honest hearts had great rewards though, best rifle in the game, some of the best light armor, unique laser pistol that can stun, unique .45, poison power fist, plus it was just a cool, lush area to explore

and you could bring shit with you

But by the end, there's barely any enemies, so it's less enjoyable. And I say that even with HH as my fave New Vegas DLC.

I had the PS3 version with the DLC. Entering a DLC area was the best way to ruin your save file. The game would freeze within 5 minutes of loading my save, without fail.

refmon posted...

The whole theme of Dead Money is about learning to let go

Did you even play it my guy?

yeah that... doesn't mean any of that was a good idea or above criticism

my guy

The story they're trying to tell is good, even if it feels kind of amateurish just how heavily the "let go" moral is hammered in, but the survival horror gameplay experiment didn't work given the limitations of the engine. The ghost people are glitched and basically have infinite perception, so it's all but impossible to sneak by them. Radios are annoying and promote save scumming, and there's a strong melee bias to the combat, which hurts certain builds.

And they sure did the BAR dirty. I'm fairly certain the Automatic Rifle has the worst accuracy of any gun in the game except the Sawed-off Shotgun. It's damn near useless at anything past melee range, and at melee range you're much better off using a melee weapon. It chews through durability too, on top of everything else.

viewmaster_pi posted...

honest hearts had great rewards though, best rifle in the game

Its been a while since ive played but im pretty sure everything that isn't the survivalist rifle was meh.

I was way better off after dead money getting all the bars than i was leaving HH.

at any rate, i wanted the holorifle for my energy weapons character, but going forward i can't justify the timesink required to get a single gun

elijah's ramblings is a good perk, though. +50% melee crit damage (for some reason)

OWB > Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts

OWB is the game firing on all cylinders. The main glaring weakness is being made to watch a long cutscene at the start and end but other than that I'm really happy with it.

Dead Money is fun to revisit after a break from the game because you're never going to remember the whole thing after that long, you get to relive the struggle in parts. Then on subsequent playthroughs you can sprint through it. Holorifle is my favorite energy weapon in the game too so using it then keeping it is the real incentive. You can get a stupid amount of stimpaks from playing the casino and swapping the chips out too which always feels rewarding.

Lonesome Road beat Honest Hearts because you can turn right from Primm and go there immediately to get some good stuff early for a brand new playthrough if you're up for it. The game really treads on your roleplaying here and tells you who you are though. Blade of the BEST is available really early as well as the shoulder mountain machine gun and a bunch of stuff you can sell to the commissary terminals for a headstart on the game. The utility beats Honest Hearts.

Honest Hearts isn't bad in fact it's fine, it's kinda like Lonesome Road, it's just a new area with some quests that feel distant to your character. Nice looking place at night. I never find myself using the unique weapons, I take pretty much everything in the footlocker at the end then just carry it around with no real need for it. On the whole it's a nice break for a playthrough that's starting to become aimless though.

I liked Honest Hearts. Yeah it was kinda boring but it didn;t feel like a chore to play like and didn't overstay its welcome unlike OWB

ViewtifulJoe posted...

Holorifle is my favorite energy weapon in the game too so using it then keeping it is the real incentive.

the only incentive, and to me that's a problem. i'm looking at the dlc in terms of what they offer your character for how long they take, and dead money takes and takes and gives very little

viewmaster_pi posted...

the only incentive, and to me that's a problem. i'm looking at the dlc in terms of what they offer your character for how long they take, and dead money takes and takes and gives very little

That's fair. The only other things I can really think of are the enhanced Sierra Madre armor, a few tuxedos and another casino to run through. I usually leave it until last because you do have to be more actively up for it than the others. You can definitely speed it up a lot with some memorisation, trick jumps and that perk that makes alcohol restore health though.

I fucking hated the "moral choice" at the end of Honest Hearts. Let the tribe arm themselves, making them militant, or have them evacuate the area, keeping them innocent. Fair enough question to ask, except the game ties itself into knots to stop you just asking the tribe what they want to do or giving you any decent information to act on. Just "uuuuh militant or peaceful".

FurryPhilosifer posted...

I fucking hated the "moral choice" at the end of Honest Hearts. Let the tribe arm themselves, making them militant, or have them evacuate the area, keeping them innocent. Fair enough question to ask, except the game ties itself into knots to stop you just asking the tribe what they want to do or giving you any decent information to act on. Just "uuuuh militant or peaceful".

I always went with Joshua Graham because I hated Daniel lol

Playing through dead money the proper way is fun the first time, but after that I just install mods to remove the death zones and keep your inventory so you can blast through, oh also have it so you can carry out all the gold bars.

i have new vegas. i may think about starting that game if i manage to finish rayman legends up to the daily grind portion by tuesday (there's a good chance i'll reach that goal).

don't want to finish my games too fast so i need to put something beefy up. i'm aware of the issues plagued with the ps3. i'm doubtful it would be any more different than what fallout 3 had (freezes etc.) on ps3 as rita repulsa says "make my monster grow" aka the save memory. gets bad after 10mb.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

OWB > Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts

OWB is the game firing on all cylinders. The main glaring weakness is being made to watch a long cutscene at the start and end but other than that I'm really happy with it.

Dead Money is fun to revisit after a break from the game because you're never going to remember the whole thing after that long, you get to relive the struggle in parts. Then on subsequent playthroughs you can sprint through it. Holorifle is my favorite energy weapon in the game too so using it then keeping it is the real incentive. You can get a stupid amount of stimpaks from playing the casino and swapping the chips out too which always feels rewarding.

Lonesome Road beat Honest Hearts because you can turn right from Primm and go there immediately to get some good stuff early for a brand new playthrough if you're up for it. The game really treads on your roleplaying here and tells you who you are though. Blade of the BEST is available really early as well as the shoulder mountain machine gun and a bunch of stuff you can sell to the commissary terminals for a headstart on the game. The utility beats Honest Hearts.

Honest Hearts isn't bad in fact it's fine, it's kinda like Lonesome Road, it's just a new area with some quests that feel distant to your character. Nice looking place at night. I never find myself using the unique weapons, I take pretty much everything in the footlocker at the end then just carry it around with no real need for it. On the whole it's a nice break for a playthrough that's starting to become aimless though.

My issue with Old World Blues is that it's all too repetitive. There are a lot of places to explore, and yes most of them have a little bit of lore in it, but it ends up feeling like they're just there as a place to put a Sink holotape. And having to repeat the Stealth Suit and High School quests over and over with just minor changes is always a slog.

Holorifle pretty good for energy build. Last time i played through it tho i was unarmed build that snuck in deathclaw gauntlet. I was so powerful

NightRender posted...

My issue with Old World Blues is that it's all too repetitive. There are a lot of places to explore, and yes most of them have a little bit of lore in it, but it ends up feeling like they're just there as a place to put a Sink holotape. And having to repeat the Stealth Suit and High School quests over and over with just minor changes is always a slog.

And good lord are those robo scorpions bullet sponges

incidentally, i'm doing OWB next, the sound gun thing gets a 25% damage bonus if you load it with the tarantula sound and have pyromaniac

...that's it. that one gimmick gun is my whole reason for going in, lol

these dolls are cutely creepy, lol. never saw them outside of mick & ralph'shttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/1/6/AAOjRaAAC1pQ.jpg

also i'm a fucking gamerrrrrrr
https://www.xbox.com/play/media/6439CD88

If you break the bank at the casino, one voucher is deposited every three days at the bunker (and they accumulate). Just make sure to use the initial voucher while you're still in there for the vending machine code to initiate.

That voucher gets you 1000 chips, which can get you a ton of chems, super stimpacks, and, most importantly, weapon repair kits.

Practically unlimited weapon repair kits is the main reward imo. The recipe to make them on your own sucks, and even with Jury Rigging it's hard to find stuff to fix up certain weapons.

that's true, a nice source of those without having to rely on ed-e is pretty nice

that being said, i just use ed-e, lol

what they needed was fucking armor repair kits

viewmaster_pi posted...

these dolls are cutely creepy, lol. never saw them outside of mick & ralph's

It's a reference to FO3's Point Lookout. There's a legend of a witch that leaves voodoo dolls hanging from trees.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/3/AAUFZqAAC1p1.jpg

UnholyMudcrab posted...

It's a reference to FO3's Point Lookout. There's a legend of a witch that leaves voodoo dolls hanging from trees.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/3/AAUFZqAAC1p1.jpg

oh cool, they came a long way, lol

joe40001 posted...

I carried out every last gold bar, it was fun.

it's confirmed. now we're completely motivated on starting fallout new vegas.
that's the next game.

#gold bar

NightRender posted...

My issue with Old World Blues is that it's all too repetitive. There are a lot of places to explore, and yes most of them have a little bit of lore in it, but it ends up feeling like they're just there as a place to put a Sink holotape. And having to repeat the Stealth Suit and High School quests over and over with just minor changes is always a slog.

I get really into those parts, I think of them as EXP factories. I occasionally sacrifice perfect playthroughs for speed with the extra exp perks and I pretty much always have repair levelled so with the stealth suit you can disable every individual trap. The school one I can agree with you there but I have it memorised so it's quick and Borous is the most entertaining Think Tank scientist. Unless Dr Mobius counts, he can compete.
As for holotapes I just remember as many as I can and work them into my route around the map like a shopping list. And that's only if I'm going for every quest, you're free to cut parts out and speed the ride up. DM and HH have missables, LR is a walk to the end, OWB is just like sure kick back, take your time, enjoy.

I never knew so many people disliked Honest Hearts

I4NRulez posted...

I always went with Joshua Graham because I hated Daniel lol

Reminder that even if you go along with everything Daniel wants he still gets a shit ending in the slideshow. Arm the tribes and show mercy on Salt Upon Wounds, that's the best ending there.

Free Weapon Repair Kits tho

dancing_cactuar posted...

Reminder that even if you go along with everything Daniel wants he still gets a shit ending in the slideshow. Arm the tribes and show mercy on Salt Upon Wounds, that's the best ending there.

Also, Randall Clark wished that the Sorrows defend their home, and they essentially revere him as their God. Wouldn't be fair to him and the Sorrows to have them leave their home, especially when it's orchestrated by Daniel. He thinks it's the moral, right choice, that preserves the innocence of the Sorrows, when in actuality, he feels guilt and regret over his failure to defened his own tribe, and pursues self-redemption by evacuating the Sorrows from Zion Valley.

I really like it myself, but I fully understand why many don't and don't fault them in the slightest.

Daniel is a bitch, and Randall Clark would strike him down himself if he were still alive.

they fucked up joshua's armor by giving it great DT and improved crit chance, but they gave it the fucking durability of clothing.....

radical rhino posted...

I had the PS3 version with the DLC. Entering a DLC area was the best way to ruin your save file. The game would freeze within 5 minutes of loading my save, without fail.

I had it too. I could never play OWB because it would freeze the instant a fight started. I was able to complete Lonesome Road once. It was neat, got me the powerful blade as well as a travel sleeping bag that allowed you to rest anywhere as long as no enemies nearby.

i'm bringing 16 toys into OWB for some challenge progression and just to give me a diverse arsenal since i'll be there for a while, lol

let's see if i can remember what they are:

holorifle
pew pew
aer prototype
blade of the west
nuka-breaker
cattle prod
blood-nap
multiplas rifle
plasma defender
knife spear (clean)
mf hyperbreeder alpha
heavy incinerator
gehenna
cleansing flame
laser rcw
tesla cannon

bam, an all star cast if i ever saw one. i plan on grabbing a thermite lance later on, don't know if i really need it for anything in the big empty

I4NRulez posted...

I think Dead Money's story is good enough to put it above Honest Hearts.

Even a character as great as the Burning Man couldnt get me to like that boring DLC.

Agreed. At least the canyon was pretty, but HH sucked compared to all the others.

i agree HH felt pretty uninspired and slapdash compared to all the others

Speaking about the, ahem, technical troubles all the New Vegas DLC had at launch reminds me. Fallout 3 > Fallout 3 DLC > New Vegas > New Vegas DLC was probably the absolute worst Bethesda games have ever been technically. Nearly every single release for that few years was barely functional at launch. Fallout 3's The Pitt or New Vegas on launch day make Fallout 76 look like a technical achievement.

And yes I know New Vegas wasn't actually Bethesda developed, etc. etc.