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Incredible that after 10 years they haven't made a sequel. Though it's interesting to think about how a modern elder scrolls would be received nowadays. I'm sure it would be popular but it would need to be super impressive to have the same kind of impact and legacy as the earlier iterations.

Oblivion was better.

Oblivion was better.

Oblivion had the worst levelling and progression system in any video game that has ever existed

Story wise I feel skyrim had a better main quest line. Oblivion hands down on faction questlines though with fighters guild vs companions being the exception for me.

Theives guild in skyrim was a disappointment to me. I liked the characters and their lair a lot more but the questline itself didn't often make me feel like some master theif more a bandit with a preference for sneaking. Oblivion made me feel like a master theif

Dark brotherhood was great in both games but the final target and how it played out in skyrim hurt my opinion of it.

Gameplay wise I'll take skyrim though. Have some complaints but overall prefer it.

Oblivion had the worst levelling and progression system in any video game that has ever existed

Just finished and Oblivion run of the main quest, mayes guild, thieves guild etc. Agree with you on most points but Oblivions main quest is actually really great story wise. Its the oblivion gates really hurts it, god they're awful.

The Grey Fox is the GOAT and Skyrims theives guild felt like a bunch of grimy, low moral skids

Are there goats in Skyrim?

Never played it.

Many, actually

Totally disagree. It has a steep learning curve and could cause you to restart a fame but quite amazing for role playing.

I made Oblivion's leveling system my bitch over thousands of hours of playtime, and created characters that were absolutely unstoppable. And even I'll admit that it's one of the most tedious, counter-intuitive leveling systems that I've personally experienced in modern gaming, to the point where Skyrim's over-streamlined approach was actually a breath of fresh air.

And Oblivion's leveling system carries numerous other bugbears not strictly related to the player character's stats. My least favorite is how low-level enemy classes will completely disappear from the game world after you reach a certain level; you can't even encounter a wild Clannfear after passing a certain point, they only exist as Xivilai summons after that.

.I like oblivions story too but presentation matters and skyrims story edges out for me cause they where close enough but due to better tech skyrim was able to make it look better

I made Oblivion's leveling system my bitch over thousands of hours of playtime, and created characters that were absolutely unstoppable. And even I'll admit that it's one of the most tedious, counter-intuitive leveling systems that I've personally experienced in modern gaming, to the point where Skyrim's over-streamlined approach was actually a breath of fresh air.

And Oblivion's leveling system carries numerous other bugbears not strictly related to the player character's stats. My least favorite is how low-level enemy classes will completely disappear from the game world after you reach a certain level; you can't even encounter a wild Clannfear after passing a certain point, they only exist as Xivilai summons after that.

To be honest, I can't separate didn't play Oblivion from hopped on Skyrim

not even the best Elder Scrolls game

Did play Oblivion from didn't

I really enjoyed Oblivions restricted approach to leveling for role play. Having a character commit to a play style added replay value as well. Certainly counter intuitive sometimes but i like it.

In Skyrim its too easy to jump from a strict mage to a heavy armor wearing warhammer wielding berserker. Not that that isnt fun and it definitely cuts down on repeating the same tasks. I've definitely done that though.

And Oblivions level scaling is pretty bad. Once did d a low level character to try and avoid that. It was ... interesting. Still not as bad as FF8

Is ESO responsible for their not being another TES game in over a decade?

Is ESO responsible for their not being another TES game in over a decade?

Is ESO responsible for their not being another TES game in over a decade?

Zenimax Online Studios is the developer of ESO, Bethesda is simply the publisher.

ESO has no more influence on ES6 being in development hell than, say, Doom Eternal does.

Dark Souls spoiled me with combat. The combat in Skyrim is dog shit compared to it (and in general). .

Still like Skyrim though for the exploration, sandbox etc it offers. I don't have high hopes for the next elder scrolls though, if it ever comes out at this fucking point

True, skyrims presentation was better and was more fleshed out but still disappointing. The lore is great in both though.

Funny thing is that in both games i normally dont even start tue main quests to avoid dragons/oblivion gates everywhere.

With all this in mind though Morrowind is the best and had superior lore, presentation, atmosphere, urgency etc

The problem with Oblivion's leveling is that, even if you commit to a dedicated build, you will more than likely still be gimping yourself on attribute increases unless you're very lucky, or are deliberately gaming the system. Strength is the worst Skill-to-Attribute offender, since its skills are all very different combat forms; so a dedicated build will really have to go out of their way to grow Strength effectively through natural gameplay. The other Skill-to-Attribute sets are at least more balanced - a tanky paladin will have an easier time maxing Endurance naturally through Block, HA, and Repair. But if you want to get maximum attribute levels, you'll still have to keep pace-killing track of your gains, and will likely fall back on the old counter-intuition of avoiding use of your major skills. That's not to say that the game isn't beatable by simply taking whatever best Attributes you get at level-up; I certainly did on my first playthrough. But effective stat leveling certainly does start making a difference once you start facing nothing but Xivilais and Minotaur Lords everywhere you turn.

And I actually strongly disagree on Skyrim making it too easy to switch builds willy-nilly. There is a midgame point between, say, levels 15 and 40 where, if you've been dicking around spreading your skills and not narrowing things down to a few core skills, you will start getting your ass kicked by increasingly high-level bandits and draugr. And I know, because despite my prior experience with these games, my first few playthroughs of Skyrim were exactly like this, because I didn't put any thought into my builds and just used whatever skills I felt like. Which made this old comic really hit home when I first read it:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/3/AARIckAAC0_B.jpg

IMO, Skyrim's biggest leveling-related problem is that you simply level too fast in the early levels. On one hand it does eliminate some of the mind-bogglingly bad grind that certain skills suffered with in Morrowind and Oblivion, but in Skyrim too often you're already seeing Glass and Ebony gear start to show up when you've barely explored a third of the map. But this is rooted in the problem of modern Bethesda pushing you too fast to burn through the Main Quest asap and fart around in the sandbox after until you get bored.

not even the best Elder Scrolls game

Skyrim with Souls-like combat would be the best game ever. They actually could have made that a reality with how long theyve been milking the game.

I love the game when it first came out. I absolutely loathe that we are still getting releases 10 years later. Hang it up.