Poll of the Day > Well, fuck it, I downloaded an in game editor for civ V

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What this means sometimes is once I cheat to this level(have never cheated in civ v before except saving before i go to war in case i severely miscalculated my forces), I can't go back. Not because cheating gives me great power and I feel like I couldn't be a successful player before...in a game like civ cheating honestly feels wrong. BUT once I see the extent of how badass I am, playing it normally will make me feel like "aww shucks, why don't I have every social policy from the start?"

Maybe though this will accelerate me getting into Civ 6 which I have bought but immediately stopped playing almost right after I saw the icons were in different parts of the screen to five.

this is kind of a shitshow.

I love going back to games I've already finished and using these programs. Like starting a new game of assassins creed Valhalla and being able to max out my town and weapons right away was awesome

argonautweakend posted...

in a game like civ cheating honestly feels wrong.

Cheating in a game is never wrong. Unless it's competitive multiplayer and you're doing something that gives you an unfair advantage over your opponents, it should be entirely up to you how you want to enjoy any given game as a player. Go ahead and abuse that infinite money/XP glitch or cheat code. Save editor your stats to the max and hack and slash your way through the game like an angry indestructible god. If it's fun, more power to you.

Cheating in some games can feel a bit boring after a while, though. But the easy answer there is that you can always just stop cheating. If Civ feels kind of boring when you start with infinite gold and 200 settlers and just explode out across the map and annihilate every other culture you encounter, just dial it back. If you're playing an RPG on ultra-casual mode and feel like the combat would be more fun if it required you to be a bit more tactical, feel free to crank the difficulty up a bit.

I think the only real problem is when you get assholes who want to gatekeep how other people play games. Like the sort of people who act like giving Dark Souls an easy mode would somehow usher in the apocalypse. Or who shit on you for playing games using exploits, glitches, cheats, mods, or other "unacceptable" means.

It's a fucking game. Games are meant to be fun. If you're having fun, you're doing it right. If you're complaining about how other people have fun, you're an asshole. It's pretty simple.

Cheating isn't wrong at all. However, for me, with Civ V, it is a challenge but I felt like as I learned more strategy and technique I could be successful. So, that is why I said it felt wrong, but it isn't really wrong. I can stop cheating at any time, certainly, but I know sometimes cheating does ruin some aspects. I've played football manager before with players edited to have 20s in all attributes, and it does kind of sour the normal game experience in some ways because no player in the game is going to be that good, so you know how well players who are "perfect" do. It's as if you've seen perfection so nothing else can compare. BUT I have loads of fun in FM anyways because in game and external editors are included with the game(external) or $5 download(internal) but both are licensed and provided Sports Interactive themselves...it's meant to be played however you want.

I guess my fear is, after using this editor, can I go back to playing vanilla? I can stop cheating, but if I get super annoyed at basic tenets of the game like accruing culture points to spend on policies...I don't know. But cheating means I get no satisfaction from doing well. I may be having fun, yes, but satisfaction and accomplishment are different.

Ultimately that was a huge jumble of word salad I'm not even sure if I got out the point I wanted to get out. I'm actually sorry for having you read that, PO(but of course I wasn't going to appologize ahead of time, see...)

i had a lot of fun with IGE doctoring maps back when I was very active on CivFanatics. I once made a map where you play as Mayans and I set all the AIs as American civs (Incas, Aztecs, Shoshone etc) but I added a metric ton of uranium beneath the spawn point

So what would be a fun use of an editor? Thinkin mainly something like a huge map with 200 settlers and workers and build cities all over with enough money to buy every tile

Give yourself a free culture tree and see how hard you can steamroll the AI on diety

argonautweakend posted...

have never cheated in civ v before except saving before i go to war in case i severely miscalculated my forces)

That's cheating?

Save scumming is cheating.

EvilMegas posted...

Save scumming is cheating.

Lol.

Well, see, I consider it cheating, but I don't think cheating is inherently bad...even though I had my doubts here about my IGE.

joemodda posted...

Give yourself a free culture tree and see how hard you can steamroll the AI on diety

I've done two versions of this: every policy from day 1, and every early policy tree from day 1

both are kinda OP as one would expect. On Diety, I feel like one entire tree would be a big boost, definitely, but it wouldn't be enough to steamroll the AI on diety if you aren't a good player as it is. I could be underestimating this.

So I thought a HUGE map size with 1 AI opponent would be kinda fun...give myself unlimited money(with caveats...can buy settlers and buildings but no other units or tiles), but it's been a bore. After like 10 cities I kinda don't even see the point. I've got scouts aplenty(plus my first scout I gave them like 20 promotions to get everything they could) but I havent even seen his lands yet. My scouts have seen their scouts but that's about it.

I thought this would be more interesting than it is. I think I may just buy all the tiles I can get right now for my cities and then just continue for a little.

I kinda feel like for a 1v1 duel to be fun you not only need a smaller map, but also you need a human opponent.

The AI gave me Nebuchadnezzar as my foe. I chose Ramses to get the Wonder production bonus because I wasn't going to be cheating for those. Neb is outpacing me in science by a bunch but I am holding my own otherwise. I know Neb is a science civ for sure, but being able to build everything as soon as it's available doesn't seem to be closing the gap in terms of tech.