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Just shoot Voldemort lmao

Robot Chicken did it.

They're British so no

Isn't he still immortal?

DarkChozoGhost posted...

They're British so no

Then stab Voldemort

Flipendo is all anyone really needs

Middle hope posted...

Isn't he still immortal?

Just keep shooting him. He'll learn

https://youtu.be/tS3y1Q3mFVw

If only...

Middle hope posted...

Isn't he still immortal?

Then shoot him in the nuts and the kneecaps.

Arthur Weasley absolutely has to own one illegally

It is an honest solution. You can still get a wide variety of guns in Britain, so wouldn't really be a problem for someone to get a gun.

The Popo posted...

Arthur Weasley absolutely has to own one illegally

If Mr. Weasley had a gun, we'd know because he would have accidentally shot himself in the face.

eston posted...

Then stab Voldemort

You mean throw acid on him

well arent bullets like... innefective against magic or something?

just hit him in the head with a giant mallet. or drop an anvil on his ass.

eston posted...

Then stab Voldemort

Dont got a license for that

Harry Potter should have carried a 1911. Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead.

Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it.

Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12.

And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger?

Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova.

Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that. Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound.

I can see it now...Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can't be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series:

"Well then I guess it's a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1."

And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.

Middle hope posted...

Isn't he still immortal?

Shoot the horcruxes too.

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

well arent bullets like... innefective against magic or something?

just hit him in the head with a giant mallet. or drop an anvil on his ass.

Why? Been a while since I read the books, but I dont think there was ever a shielding spell like in the Dresden Files. Though even then magical shields are not perfect and a bunch of regular ol humans with machine guns will drain your shield and kill you.

ssk9716757 posted...

Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova.

I'll admit I chuckled at this one

if i was a wizard id give myself a big ol pair of boobies.

imagine using filthy muggle technology, smh

Just because he's immortal doesn't mean he's impervious to damage. Heck, he took how long to recover after getting hurt from his failed attempt to kill Harry as an infant? Obviously he can be hurt very, very badly.

I remember many years ago that jk Rowling did confirm that if you put a muggle armed with a gun against a wizard with a wand the muggle wins everytime

yusiko posted...

I remember many years ago that jk Rowling did confirm that if you put a muggle armed with a gun against a wizard with a wand the muggle wins everytime

IIRC she said an average person with a gun would beat most wizards, but the best wizards like Dumbeldore would be ok. Navy snipers or something would still win though

DarkChozoGhost posted...

IIRC she said an average person with a gun would beat most wizards, but the best wizards like Dumbeldore would be ok. Navy snipers or something would still win though

Yeah, I think we underestimate how incompetent the average wizard is. If you're not super into it you're not very good at it.

Vernon had a rifle and Hagrid destroyed it with his bare hands.

MorbidFaithless posted...

Yeah, I think we underestimate how incompetent the average wizard is. If you're not super into it you're not very good at it.

Even some of the teachers at Hogwarts are incompetent (Trelawny, and like 5 of the 6 DADA teachers)

lilORANG posted...

Vernon had a rifle and Hagrid destroyed it with his bare hands.

Gee, maybe because it was in an enclosed space and he's a fucking giant with super strength

I'm trying to imagine what kind of story it would be where the Gunslinger from The Dark Tower stumbles into the Harry Potter universe.

In the third book guns are mentioned by the Daily Prophet as a type of metal wand muggles use to kill each other.

Muggle news reports said Sirius had a gun. So they exist, but most pure blood wizards dont understand muggle technology (hence Mr. Weasleys job).

If someone had a grenade, they could've thrown it at Voldemort so his magic tricks wouldn't work.

pretty sure jk rowling would plot armor some magical crap and deflect the bullet.

I prefer the @Thompson

Idk why they made such a big deal of his instant death spell, when firearms have existed for hundreds of years.

That while are not a garenteed sure kill are a hell of alot harder to deal with.

Prismsblade posted...

Idk why they made such a big deal of his instant death spell, when firearms have existed for hundreds of years.

That while are not a garenteed sure kill are a hell of alot harder to deal with.

Wands aren't regulated (or in some cases, even necessary), don't require ammo, don't require maintenance, make no sound, and leave zero evidence unless you find the exact wand that cast the spell and use priori incantatum.

Imagine a world where you can murder someone with a phone app >_>

Prismsblade posted...

Idk why they made such a big deal of his instant death spell, when firearms have existed for hundreds of years.

That while are not a garenteed sure kill are a hell of alot harder to deal with.

https://youtu.be/4qMcCXOnEYY

lilORANG posted...

Vernon had a rifle and Hagrid destroyed it with his bare hands.

Hagrid is a half-giant. And Vernon was too afraid to actually shoot it.

Anyway, for the Harry Potter Universe to work, you have to remember that wizards are incredibly over-reliant on magic to solve their problems. To the extent the first book used a logic puzzle as a road block. It's shit like "Why invent a better form of communication when I can shove my head into a fireplace?" You look at how the world of wizards and witches is presented in England, I half expect American magic users to be mistaken for Amish.

Part of why I like Dresden Files so much. Set in modern day Chicago and guns and vehicles and technology are very much present, and wizards do make use of what they can, but the in-universe logic makes it so that anything more advanced than a revolver or a 60s Volkswagen Beetle has a really high chance of failing due to magical energies

I remember years ago there was some super long and alternate universe Snape/Lily fanfic that ended with Snape's father killing Voldemort with a shotgun

ssk9716757 posted...

Harry Potter should have carried a 1911. Think about how quickly the entire WWWIII (Wizarding-World War III) would have ended if all of the good guys had simply armed up with good ol' American hot lead.

Basilisk? Let's see how tough it is when you shoot it with a .470 Nitro Express. Worried about its Medusa-gaze? Wear night vision goggles. The image is light-amplified and re-transmitted to your eyes. You aren't looking at it--you're looking at a picture of it.

Imagine how epic the first movie would be if Harry had put a breeching charge on the bathroom wall, flash-banged the hole, and then went in wearing NVGs and a Kevlar-weave stab-vest, carrying a SPAS-12.

And have you noticed that only Europe seems to a problem with Deatheaters? Maybe it's because Americans have spent the last 200 years shooting deer, playing GTA: Vice City, and keeping an eye out for black helicopters over their compounds. Meanwhile, Brits have been cutting their steaks with spoons. Remember: gun-control means that Voldemort wins. God made wizards and God made muggles, but Samuel Colt made them equal.

Now I know what you're going to say: "But a wizard could just disarm someone with a gun!" Yeah, well they can also disarm someone with a wand (as they do many times throughout the books/movies). But which is faster: saying a spell or pulling a trigger?

Avada Kedavra, meet Avtomat Kalashnikova.

Imagine Harry out in the woods, wearing his invisibility cloak, carrying a .50bmg Barrett, turning Deatheaters into pink mist, scratching a lightning bolt into his rifle stock for each kill. I don't think Madam Pomfrey has any spells that can scrape your brains off of the trees and put you back together after something like that. Voldemort's wand may be 13.5 inches with a Phoenix-feather core, but Harry's would be 0.50 inches with a tungsten core. Let's see Voldy wave his at 3,000 feet per second. Better hope you have some Essence of Dittany for that sucking chest wound.

I can see it now...Voldemort roaring with evil laughter and boasting to Harry that he can't be killed, since he is protected by seven Horcruxes, only to have Harry give a crooked grin, flick his cigarette butt away, and deliver what would easily be the best one-liner in the entire series:

"Well then I guess it's a good thing my 1911 holds 7+1."

And that is why Harry Potter should have carried a 1911.

Somebody's got some problems...

None of Voldemort's overly convoluted, insanely stupid plans that constantly get foiled by children can compare to his original dumb plan, HORCRUXES. Let's get this straight: he hid his soul in various Horcruxes. And all of these Horcruxes are prominent, well known artifacts. With the exception of his mortal snake, Nagini. And he dies forever if they are all destroyed. Then why the hell didn't he make one of the Horcruxes a God damn grain of sand? That nobody could find and destroy? Why did he make one his EXTREMELY killable snake?

GATTJT posted...

Gee, maybe because it was in an enclosed space and he's a fucking giant with super strength

I love this angry out of nowhere post with 2 amp, awesome

+1 good sir

YugiNoob posted...

None of Voldemort's overly convoluted, insanely stupid plans that constantly get foiled by children can compare to his original dumb plan, HORCRUXES. Let's get this straight: he hid his soul in various Horcruxes. And all of these Horcruxes are prominent, well known artifacts. With the exception of his mortal snake, Nagini. And he dies forever if they are all destroyed. Then why the hell didn't he make one of the Horcruxes a God damn grain of sand? That nobody could find and destroy? Why did he make one his EXTREMELY killable snake?

This is actually addressed in-universe. Dumbledore explains things to Harry by building up to the horcruxes by first explaining Voldemort's character through those pensieve flashbacks. He's an S-class narcissist. He wouldn't use a grain of sand because it's common.

And to be fair, part of the reason the Horcrux plan failed was because Dumbledore was Batman-level paranoid about discovering this information so that Voldemort never knew his horcruxes were in danger until it was too late.

The Diadem was just another random ass piece of jewelry in a room filled with several generations' worth of knick-knacks, and only if you went in there specifically looking for it. Hufflepuff's horcrux was in the most secure location in the wizarding world, a place that in its entire hundreds of years of service, had only ever been broken into by the guy who put the horcrux there in the first place. Then things like the ring and the locket were things that nobody would even assume had special value without already knowing intimate details about Voldemort's plan. The only people able to retrieve the locket were Regulus Black, who died doing so, and Dumbledore, who needed to be forced to do so against his will and who was one of the few wizards strong enough to nuke an entire cave full of zombies.

Voldemort is dumb, but his security measures were only undone by Dumbledore and plot convenience. <_<

There's also the fact that horcruxes are incredibly difficult to destroy, and basilisk venom just so happens to be one of the few substances that can, and goblin silver (which the sword of Gryffindor is made of) just so happens to be able to absorb substances that make it stronger

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/0/4/AAPV5JAACzRg.jpg

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Wands aren't regulated (or in some cases, even necessary), don't require ammo, don't require maintenance, make no sound, and leave zero evidence unless you find the exact wand that cast the spell and use priori incantatum.

Imagine a world where you can murder someone with a phone app >_>

Guns are easily accessible, along with ammo, lethal in anyone's hands, require little to no training, and can be mass produced.

And while some wizards don't need Wands, those ones are few and far inbetween. That and their still pretty important, otherwise why would stronger ones like the elder wand even matter? Also while hiding crimes could be easier to a degree, when characters can freely time travel to observe crap in their universe crimes can't be that easy to solve.

So what would have happened if Hagrid hadn't destroyed Harry's uncle's gun? Would Hagrid be done then and there or does he have crazy durability in addition to strength that never got shown off?

ViewtifulJoe posted...

So what would have happened if Hagrid hadn't destroyed Harry's uncle's gun? Would Hagrid be done then and there or does he have crazy durability in addition to strength that never got shown off?

In (I think) book 5 Hagrid is shown tanking knock-out spells like they're nothing. For comparison, in the same fight, McGonnagal took five at once and was nearly killed for it. He'd probably be fine taking a few shots to center mass.

Hagrid plays with monsters like they're puppies. He probably has crazy durability.

Drone strike Voldemort