Current Events > In your opinion could covid been eliminated with 100% vaccination rate....

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....and 100% mask wearing? In other words if every single person were super careful? So like, a utopia. You think covid could have been completely eliminated under these perfect circumstances?

No because every variant that has become dominant has been from outside the US. So even if we did all that it would still be spreading here. Especially Omicron which all but ignores the vaccine and regular cloth masks.

Gamerguymass posted...

No because every variant that has become dominant has been from outside the US. So even if we did all that it would still be spreading here. Especially Omicron which all but ignores the vaccine and regular cloth masks.

what if everyone in the world were incredibly safe?

Could be eliminated with 80%. Viruses and vaccines aren't new.

Gamerguymass posted...

No because every variant that has become dominant has been from outside the US. So even if we did all that it would still be spreading here. Especially Omicron which all but ignores the vaccine and regular cloth masks.

The spread could have been contained and lessened, but Americans for some reason were mostly afraid to wear masks, then you know

It's both highly mutable and highly contagious, it's good at finding a way around our protections against it.

At this point i think we'er just hoping that every variant gets less and less serious to the point where it's non fatal if you get it. Like the flu.

Yes 100%.

If everyone did their part, yes.

But a certain someone called the virus a hoax and there went our chances of actually getting this under control.

_____Cait posted...

The spread could have been contained and lessened, but Americans for some reason were mostly afraid to wear masks, then you know

And Australia did all that, and yet look at where they are. Skyrocketing cases.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have helped or that less people wouldn't be dead, but with Omicron it's irrelevant what you do. Like 70% of the country is vaxxed and infection rates are significantly higher now then the last time they peaked. I have multiple friends that were vaccinated and just got covid over the holidays. Omicron doesn't give a shit what you do. The next big variant will probably be even more contagious.

Gamerguymass posted...

And Australia did all that, and yet look at where they are. Skyrocketing cases.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have helped or that less people wouldn't be dead, but with Omicron it's irrelevant what you do. Like 70% of the country is vaxxed and infection rates are significantly higher now then the last time they peaked. I have multiple friends that were vaccinated and just got covid over the holidays. Omicron doesn't give a shit what you do. The next big variant will probably be even more contagious.

That happened after people travelled and spread it.

Also, why do I feel like this is leaning into the vaccine is useless territory

ComfortablySad posted...

Could be eliminated with 80%. Viruses and vaccines aren't new.

I disagree. Keeping in mind that stuff like measles and mumps need to vaccinated at something like 95-98% to maintain herd immunity, 80% vaccination rates for Covid probably wouldnt have slowed the spread enough. Definitely would have helped with hospitals being overwhelmed, though.

Id go around ripping off masks and licking people, cause Im not a sheep.

So, no, it wouldn't work.

eh ?

That's not an opinion. It's either true or false.

Could it have been eliminated if everyone in the world just stayed at home for three weeks while the governments gave out support?

MrToothHasYou posted...

I disagree. Keeping in mind that stuff like measles and mumps need to vaccinated at something like 95-98% to maintain herd immunity, 80% vaccination rates for Covid probably wouldnt have slowed the spread enough. Definitely would have helped with hospitals being overwhelmed, though.

I believe it's different for every virus. I haven't been keeping up with the information on this, but I remember people estimating 80% as the herd immunity threshold for covid-19

it probably could have. the biggest takeaway is that we need to eliminate for-profit medicine to allow poorer countries access to that level of vaccination in the first place, otherwise new variants will keep evolving.

second biggest is that something really really needs to be done about anti-vaxxers

Vampire_Wreath posted...

Could it have been eliminated if everyone in the world just stayed at home for three weeks while the governments gave out support?

Who would be giving out support if everyone stayed at home? Plus you would need hospital workers to still work, as well as emergency services, grocery store employees, and medical manufacturing. Not to mention some semblance of the court system as you can't just leave people locked up for weeks.

This was never going to be eliminated considering by the time people were showing symptoms they had already been spreading it around for days.

Gamerguymass posted...

Who would be giving out support if everyone stayed at home? Plus you would need hospital workers to still work, as well as emergency services, grocery store employees, and medical manufacturing. Not to mention some semblance of the court system as you can't just leave people locked up for weeks.

This was never going to be eliminated considering by the time people were showing symptoms they had already been spreading it around for days.

Australia had a working system up until very recently. Short sharp lockdowns. America needed to have done that

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Id go around ripping off masks and licking people, cause Im not a sheep.

username checks out

Gamerguymass posted...

Who would be giving out support if everyone stayed at home? Plus you would need hospital workers to still work, as well as emergency services, grocery store employees, and medical manufacturing. Not to mention some semblance of the court system as you can't just leave people locked up for weeks.

This was never going to be eliminated considering by the time people were showing symptoms they had already been spreading it around for days.

just because you're unaware of places where the pandemic was handled well doesn't mean they don't exist

Could we solve World Hunger if we tried really hard?

At this point I'm not sure

If vaccines magically existed in early 2020 and everyone was onboard and compliant with distancing with a good month long shutdown as severe as china (which is why covid isn't a problem there anymore!), yes

To rid the US of the virus at this point would essentially involve such severe isolation people would bitch about it being unconstitutional. In other words I consider it endemic to the US now, not pandemic. I think it's just something we are going to have to live with, barring significant policy change.

Smallville posted...

....and 100% mask wearing? In other words if every single person were super careful? So like, a utopia. You think covid could have been completely eliminated under these perfect circumstances?

No cause maskless asshole mouth breathers

DCinGA posted...

Could we solve World Hunger if we tried really hard?

it's not a matter of trying really hard. it's a matter of capitalism being responsible the continued existence of world hunger. it isn't a problem that can be solved under capitalism

DCinGA posted...

Could we solve World Hunger if we tried really hard?

Yes actually

not really, we should be doing what china is doing

Vampire_Wreath posted...

Could it have been eliminated if everyone in the world just stayed at home for three weeks while the governments gave out support?

Thats just not feasible. Most people dont have 3 weeks worth of food in the house (many are food insecure).

Because weve moved to a just in time system disrupting the food supply for 3 weeks would have had horrible results. The disruptions we have now are screwing it up as is.

Nukazie posted...

not really, we should be doing what china is doing

Misrepresenting their numbers and blaming the US?

In my opinion, my 'opinion' on scientific fact carries about as much weight and value as your average NFT.

If every person on the planet did that somehow? Yes, it would have been eliminated within a few months, at most.

I don't think you can contain a virus like this. It mutates easily and is too contagious. Even if every single person in the world somehow is vaccinated and masks up, it's still going to go from person to person and mutate into something more contagious and the cycle will continue. Then we need to make new vaccines, and then it will mutate again.

Less deaths and serious sickness? Definitely. Eradicate? I don't think so.

Once the virus went worldwide there was no stopping it.

The entire world would never be on the same page enough to snuff out the virus.

If the U.S. had gone full isolation mode with a 100% lockdown and achieved 100% vaccination rate before opening up we still would have been ravaged by delta/omicron/future variants that started outside of the U.S. The vaccine doesnt offer the kind of immunity we had hoped it would to eliminate transmissibility or the risk of infection. No country, no matter how strict their lockdown or how high their vaccination rates where, was able to beat this thing for this reason. Were all still at its mercy.

Now where strict lockdowns and vaccinations did achieve great success is by keeping the cases and total number of deaths low. Kudos to the countries that had low impact from Covid for following these.

But unless you have control over the entire world I dont see how you beat a virus this transmissible without a one time miracle cure vaccine. We had a very short window as a world to contain this thing and we where too late, the virus becoming endemic has been in the cards for a long time now.

Gamerguymass posted...

No because every variant that has become dominant has been from outside the US. So even if we did all that it would still be spreading here. Especially Omicron which all but ignores the vaccine and regular cloth masks.

They were first FOUND outside the US. Doesnt necessarily mean they originated where they were found.

gamer167 posted...

Once the virus went worldwide there was no stopping it.

The entire world would never be on the same page enough to snuff out the virus.

If the U.S. had gone full isolation mode with a 100% lockdown and achieved 100% vaccination rate before opening up we still would have been ravaged by delta/omicron/future variants that started outside of the U.S. The vaccine doesnt offer the kind of immunity we had hoped it would to eliminate transmissibility or the risk of infection. No country, no matter how strict their lockdown or how high their vaccination rates where, was able to beat this thing for this reason. Were all still at its mercy.

Now where strict lockdowns and vaccinations did achieve great success is by keeping the cases and total number of deaths low. Kudos to the countries that had low impact from Covid for following these.

But unless you have control over the entire world I dont see how you beat a virus this transmissible without a one time miracle cure vaccine. We had a very short window as a world to contain this thing and we where too late, the virus becoming endemic has been in the cards for a long time now.

We would have had cases. Deaths would have severely diminished as would the strain on our hospitals which are also causing secondary death at this point. Even the number of cases would have been drastically lower per efficacy of the vaccine with boosters and the fewer days you are contagious as a vaxxed individual.

daynlokki posted...

We would have had cases. Deaths would have severely diminished as would the strain on our hospitals which are also causing secondary death at this point. Even the number of cases would have been drastically lower per efficacy of the vaccine with boosters and the fewer days you are contagious as a vaxxed individual.

Yes, which is why I said lockdowns and vaccination still had positive effects I already said almost everything you just posted in less detail. Dunno why you felt the need to quote me.

Were conversing about whether we believe these measures would have eliminated the virus in this topic.

Yeah, 100% vaccination would have got the R number lower than 1 and with moderate restrictions would have eventually eradicated each of the original virus, and the alpha, beta and delta variants. Omicron though, it's ridiculously contagious, so maybe not. 100% vaccination probably would have prevented it from mutating into existence though.

Everyone in all countries 100% sticking to their initial lockdowns in March 2020 would have done it too.

gamer167 posted...

Yes, which is why I said lockdowns and vaccination still had positive effects I already said almost everything you just posted in less detail. Dunno why you felt the need to quote me.

Were conversing about whether we believe these measures would have eliminated the virus in this topic.

Which is what Im saying would happen. With the current efficacy and infection rates for vaccinated individuals, we would actually start to have a slow decline in cases per capita if everyone was vaccinated. It might not go away right away, but sooner or later the cases would be negligible to the point of only needing to do precise quarantines for infected individuals and close contacts when an outbreak occurs.

eh ?

even 80% would have accomplished it,

America seems like the only country struggling with disease, we won't wear masks or get vaccinated mostly because or Republicans

Yes in utopia world where we had 100% vaccination and mask wearing the virus goes extinct somewhere in March 2021.

Would be considerably mitigated, yes.