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The whole mass memory loss thing causes so many plotholes.

Spider-men

Poor aunt may

I suspect that, if they can get Holland back for more movies, the spell will eventually prove to be unstable due to its scope. And the average person will remain forgetful since Spider-man = Peter Parker is trivia to them, but MJ and Ned will eventually figure it out that there's a hole in their life. And, for Marvel comedic purposes, Flash.

I'm all tapped out!

Have a heart strange!

If everyone forgets Spider-man = Peter Parker that doesnt mean everyone forgets Peter Parker as friend / classmate or whatever so it doesnt make sense MJ and Ned would forget him as a former classmate.

If the spell makes everyone forget peter parker at all including deleting photos, videos, records, etc.. then how was he able to rent an apartment since he wouldn't have a birth certificate, id nor credit history. He also didnt have much money to begin with.

So yeah, lots of plotholes.

samurai bandit posted...

If the spell makes everyone forget peter parker at all including deleting photos, videos, records, etc.. then how was he able to rent an apartment since he wouldn't have a birth certificate, id nor credit history. He also didnt have much money to begin with.

I mean that clearly wasn't an apartment where you hand the landlord your credit history and shit. The guy running it knows what his clientele can and cannot provide.

no plotholes, bc its magic.

samurai bandit posted...

If everyone forgets Spider-man = Peter Parker that doesnt mean everyone forgets Peter Parker as friend / classmate or whatever so it doesnt make sense MJ and Ned would forget him as a former classmate.

If the spell makes everyone forget peter parker at all including deleting photos, videos, records, etc.. then how was he able to rent an apartment since he wouldn't have a birth certificate, id nor credit history. He also didnt have much money to begin with.

So yeah, lots of plotholes.

I though strange made the spell make everyone forget peter parker

strange made the spell with peters input

samurai bandit posted...

If everyone forgets Spider-man = Peter Parker that doesnt mean everyone forgets Peter Parker as friend / classmate or whatever so it doesnt make sense MJ and Ned would forget him as a former classmate.

If the spell makes everyone forget peter parker at all including deleting photos, videos, records, etc.. then how was he able to rent an apartment since he wouldn't have a birth certificate, id nor credit history. He also didnt have much money to begin with.

So yeah, lots of plotholes.

The spell was forget Peter Parker. It wouldn't delete photos, videos, records etc, it just makes people not know who he is. When they see his ID, they see a random stranger if they knew him before.

Garth_Marenghi posted...

no plotholes, bc its magic.

yes

a wizard LITERALLY did it

samurai bandit posted...

If everyone forgets Spider-man = Peter Parker that doesnt mean everyone forgets Peter Parker as friend / classmate or whatever so it doesnt make sense MJ and Ned would forget him as a former classmate.

If the spell makes everyone forget peter parker at all including deleting photos, videos, records, etc.. then how was he able to rent an apartment since he wouldn't have a birth certificate, id nor credit history. He also didnt have much money to begin with.

So yeah, lots of plotholes.

the spell was so everyone would forget who peter parker is. that doesn't affect him existing on paper and in the system. he still exists, but everyone forgot who he is

I'll be honest, I hate it when plots just decide to hit the big ol' "undo" button on plot and character development once it becomes inconvenient.

One of my biggest issues with comics as a whole, because they pull that shit all the time.

And with NWH done, that makes five characters hit with the "reset" stick since Endgame. And I don't like it.

AlCalavicci posted...

the spell was so everyone would forget who peter parker is. that doesn't affect him existing on paper and in the system. he still exists, but everyone forgot who he is

The other Parkers also faded back to their universes. Did they somehow forget Peter Parker was Spider-man too?

Frankly I'm amazed he thought he needed to study for the GED.

CyricZ posted...

Frankly I'm amazed he thought he needed to study for the GED.

He probably needed to study for things like English. He's a genius with mathematics and science, but those aren't the only things on the GED test.

There are a bunch of details that weren't explained at the end of the movie w/ the final spell and how it all worked, it will probably be addressed in the next one.

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I didn't mind it, would have been super lame if that's how Tobey died. The one thing I am disappointed with is we got pretty much 0 Tobey/Gobby interactions, once Norman is cured he just sat there awkwardly in silence for 20 minutes. I'm thinking that they did shoot some scenes, but they were left on the cutting room floor.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I'll be honest, I hate it when plots just decide to hit the big ol' "undo" button on plot and character development once it becomes inconvenient.

One of my biggest issues with comics as a whole, because they pull that shit all the time.

And with NWH done, that makes five characters hit with the "reset" stick since Endgame. And I don't like it.

This isn't a "reset" necessarily, it doesn't just put everything back to normal, with normal being "no one knows who Spider-man is and things are back to normal". Yes, his identity is hidden again, but at the cost of losing his best friends and all of his allies. This actually puts him into a different phase than we've seen in the MCU, where he can't rely on Stark tech, he doesn't have friends, and due to the events of the movie he doesn't have Aunt May either. To say this is a reset as if everything is undone and things are back to normal is just incorrect.

KogaSteelfang posted...

The other Parkers also faded back to their universes. Did they somehow forget Peter Parker was Spider-man too?

We don't know the answer to this and we really don't need to know within the context of the MCU, since those Spideys are not permanent parts of the MCU. However, if needed, they could easily explain that Strange's spell only affects the inhabitants of the world/universe he lives in (and/or that he tailored it to be that way specifically).

ScarfForLife posted...

He probably needed to study for things like English. He's a genius with mathematics and science, but those aren't the only things on the GED test.

This, and also even if he knew most things, a GED book would help him understand what to expect to be on the test to fill in the gaps of what he doesn't know. That said, the book was also just a visual representation to tell the audience that he is going to be taking the GED test.

AlCalavicci posted...

This, and also even if he knew most things, a GED book would help him understand what to expect to be on the test to fill in the gaps of what he doesn't know. That said, the book was also just a visual representation to tell the audience that he is going to be taking the GED test.

Not only that, it's supposed to show you that he clearly wasn't going back to school and that's why he'd have to take the GED.

AlCalavicci posted...

the spell was so everyone would forget who peter parker is. that doesn't affect him existing on paper and in the system. he still exists, but everyone forgot who he is

It makes even less sense IMO. If that is the case, MJ and Ned would have a crapload of pictures and videos on their phones to immediately realize they know the guy who happened to enter the coffee shop and that somehow they were really good friends.

The Avengers would immediately track him down as well when they see a random nobody showing up in classified files.

And wouldnt there still be warrants out to arrest Peter Parker? Even if they dont know why.

AlCalavicci posted...

This isn't a "reset" necessarily, it doesn't just put everything back to normal, with normal being "no one knows who Spider-man is and things are back to normal". Yes, his identity is hidden again, but at the cost of losing his best friends and all of his allies. This actually puts him into a different phase than we've seen in the MCU, where he can't rely on Stark tech, he doesn't have friends, and due to the events of the movie he doesn't have Aunt May either. To say this is a reset as if everything is undone and things are back to normal is just incorrect.

I wasn't talking about Peter himself. I AM talking about his friends. MJ especially.

Took three movies for her to grow out of being an insufferable Daria knock-off, and now we're right back to square one.

Yeah, it's an interesting predicament for PETER (and yes, I get that it's first and foremost his story), but I hate when shit like this happens in any context.

It's why I hate everything IW/Endgame did to Loki, Gamora, and Thor. Busted excuses to just "reboot" characters because the writers couldn't figure out how to deal with their character growth and changed relationships with each other and the world.

I already figured the writers had no grasp of the term "memory spell" because even the first one wouldn't have erased the hard drives upon hard drives filled with 4K press coverage of Peter Parker=Neighborhood Menance.

samurai bandit posted...

It makes even less sense IMO. If that is the case, MJ and Ned would have a crapload of pictures and videos on their phones to immediately realize they know the guy who happened to enter the coffee shop and that somehow they were really good friends.

The Avengers would immediately track him down as well when they see a random nobody showing up in classified files.

And wouldnt there still be warrants out to arrest Peter Parker? Even if they dont know why.

Idk man. I get it that some people need to know every single detail and "what if" about something that happens in the plot, but this just isn't necessary here imo. People were saying similar things about Endgame and the blip, wondering what happens when people who were up in airplanes who got snapped back. This isn't something that is necessary to show in the movie. Stuff like this was answered later through director interviews and future movies/shows. I wouldn't be surprised if some of this stuff is addressed in the next Spider-man movie.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I wasn't talking about Peter himself. I AM talking about his friends. MJ especially.

Took three movies for her to grow out of being an insufferable Daria knock-off, and now we're right back to square one.

Yeah, it's an interesting predicament for PETER (and yes, I get that it's first and foremost his story), but I hate when shit like this happens in any context.

It's why I hate everything IW/Endgame did to Loki, Gamora, and Thor. Busted excuses to just "reboot" characters because the writers couldn't figure out how to deal with their character growth and changed relationships with each other and the world.

How are we "right back to square one" with MJ? She's going off to college and will likely not be a part of the Spider-man story anymore.

Rapid99 posted...

I already figured the writers had no grasp of the term "memory spell" because even the first one wouldn't have erased the hard drives upon hard drives filled with 4K press coverage of Peter Parker=Neighborhood Menance.

Yes it would.

it's magic.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

It's why I hate everything IW/Endgame did to Loki, Gamora, and Thor. Busted excuses to just "reboot" characters because the writers couldn't figure out how to deal with their character growth and changed relationships with each other and the world.

I...don't think that's what's going on here. MJ and Ned are not main characters, they're supporting characters. We like them, but the function they serve within the story is to motivate Peter's decisions. And the thesis that NWH presents is that, to some degree, MJ and Ned's lives would be better and safer without the baggage Peter brings to their lives as Spider-Man. It's not rebooting them because they don't know what to do with them, it's using them to push Peter's character development which is...the exact point of a supporting character. I think you missed the point of NWH's ending if you think they're trying to "reboot" MJ and Ned. If anything, it's far more likely they're just trying close out those characters' story arcs for the foreseeable future.

I also don't think this is true for Loki and Gamora either. They just wanted those characters to be present for new storylines without cheapening the impact of their original counterparts' deaths.

Rapid99 posted...

I already figured the writers had no grasp of the term "memory spell" because even the first one wouldn't have erased the hard drives upon hard drives filled with 4K press coverage of Peter Parker=Neighborhood Menance.

I love how this post implies magic is somehow a real world science to have a "grasp on" to begin with.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I'll be honest, I hate it when plots just decide to hit the big ol' "undo" button on plot and character development once it becomes inconvenient.

One of my biggest issues with comics as a whole, because they pull that shit all the time.

And with NWH done, that makes five characters hit with the "reset" stick since Endgame. And I don't like it.

Well, they did adapt one of the most hated Spider-Man stories. So yeah.

DarkBuster22904 posted...

I wasn't talking about Peter himself. I AM talking about his friends. MJ especially.

Took three movies for her to grow out of being an insufferable Daria knock-off, and now we're right back to square one.

Yeah, it's an interesting predicament for PETER (and yes, I get that it's first and foremost his story), but I hate when shit like this happens in any context.

It's why I hate everything IW/Endgame did to Loki, Gamora, and Thor. Busted excuses to just "reboot" characters because the writers couldn't figure out how to deal with their character growth and changed relationships with each other and the world.

As Al said, I'm pretty sure she and Ned won't even be a part of the movies movie forward. Ned's actor already stated he wasn't going to be in the movies moving forward. They got into MIT which is in Boston. This is basically their sendoff. Also, just because she forgot Peter doesn't mean she's now back to square 1. She probably still feels differently inside based on what she experienced even if she can't remember him. She was perfectly pleasant to him and Ned while in the coffee house.

Odds are, it won't matter, because she'll be in Boston and you won't see her again. So what does it matter?

why not make everyone forgot about Mysterio and everything he said?

Ricemills posted...

why not make everyone forgot about Mysterio and everything he said?

That's basically what they tried to do with the original spell.

lolife67 posted...

I love how this post implies magic is somehow a real world science to have a "grasp on" to begin with.

They should have a grasp on how memories work in relation to everything else that proves you exist, yes.

I just remembered something.

Peter would still presumably have the Stark Tech glasses from Far From Home. And it's implied that they have the ability to remote wipe and hack into other devices because that's what he tried to do on the bus with Brad's photo. Since they're operated by an AI and not an actual person, they wouldn't be affected by the memory spell, therefore he'd still be an authorized user. He'd even be able to do it on a mass-scale since they're powered by satellite.

So there ya go.

Rapid99 posted...

They should have a grasp on how memories work in relation to everything else that proves you exist, yes.

What does that have to do with magic that re-writes reality, exactly?

I cannot forgive them for killing off Marisa Tomei. You just don't do that shit.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I just remembered something.

Peter would still presumably have the Stark Tech glasses from Far From Home. And it's implied that they have the ability to remote wipe and hack into other devices because that's what he tried to do on the bus with Brad's photo.

So there ya go.

Peter tries to use the Stark system while on the bridge, and we see that everything is offline. I'm guessing once Stark Industries got hit w/ the FBI probe that everything Peter had was shut down from the network.

lolife67 posted...

What does that have to do with magic that re-writes reality, exactly?

It's re-writing all of reality but the story tells you it's only re-writing a part. My problem with it is purely semantical.

Like it would legit have been better writing if Strange had said "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit"

Rapid99 posted...

My problem with it is purely semantical.

Yes, that's why it's a silly complaint lol

Rapid99 posted...

They should have a grasp on how memories work in relation to everything else that proves you exist, yes.

If it's anything like the spell in the comics during OMD, stuff like pictures on their phones won't matter. They won't recognize them as Peter and their minds will just sort of glaze over him as "oh yeah that guy" and that's it. They won't investigate further because the magic won't let them.

I never said it was a big complaint lol. I liked the ending just fine and am excited to see where it leads.

lolife67 posted...

What does that have to do with magic that re-writes reality, exactly?

it doesn't, he's BSing

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Peter tries to use the Stark system while on the bridge, and we see that everything is offline. I'm guessing once Stark Industries got hit w/ the FBI probe that everything Peter had was shut down from the network.

Maybe everything got shut back online at some point? After all, Happy Hogan is now a free man again.

It wouldn't affect physical objects like Flash's book though, but maybe that ends up being a plot point in the next movie.

Dr Strange could have made the world forget about the Avengers, then there wouldn't have been a civil war.

Murphiroth posted...

If it's anything like the spell in the comics during OMD, stuff like pictures on their phones won't matter. They won't recognize them as Peter and their minds will just sort of glaze over him as "oh yeah that guy" and that's it. They won't investigate further because the magic won't let them.

It could also be this. Anytime somebody DOES view pictures, videos, etc., the spell works to just not allow them to think much about it.

GALA462 posted...

Dr Strange could have made the world forget about the Avengers, then there wouldn't have been a civil war.

Stranges movie happens after Civil War and he didnt meet them until infinity War

Ricemills posted...

why not make everyone forgot about Mysterio and everything he said?

Cause that wouldn't stop all the other people from trying to enter. They were entering cause they knew Peter was Spider-Man.