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COVxy posted...

It, however, should be "controversial" to harass and bully people for being fat though.

So, just don't be an asshole. Sounds easy enough =).

Aren't you the guy who claimed that asexuality was a symptom of mental illness? I think you should follow your own advice and be nicer and more understanding too

It's a very weird overcorrection based on the good idea that we need to be less shitty to each other extrapolated to the point where nobody is "allowed" to feel bad about anything. It's luckily still a massively fringe thing.

superman 2000 posted...

Oh wow, that's just awful. People here actually believe this?

the topic is long gone but it was about this quote some random twitch streamer said: https://clips.twitch.tv/GleamingFunSpiderKAPOW-BiNEmol48fWbUxer

the poll had more than half the voters agreeing with her the last time I saw the results, hopefully they were just troll votes or something but who knows...

Not surprising at all coming from the most obese country in the world.

Solution_45 posted...

there's a lot of weight behind the body positive movement, please don't mock it.

LMAO

AloneIBreak posted...

TC I dont think the pro-fat movement is really a mainstream approach. Its not really controversial to point out that being overweight is generally bad for ones heath.

Yes not mainstream among normal people but it's pretty mainstream among fat people.

I was going out with at least four or five obese women and they all had the same issue. Instead of trying to self improve theirselves they were trying to learn to accept themselves as they were. One of them actually had a legitimate excuse for being overweight, because she had a ankle that was fractured or something. I'm not a skinny mini myself but at least I'm willing to try losing weight.

Once upon a time, weight was a sign of wealth, and being well off / able to eat well was considered a desirable thing.

Now we live in excess of everything, we desire skinny. Kind of funny really lol.

On the one hand, I get it, there's a fundamental difference between mocking somebody for being fat, and suggesting they take up healthier habits for their own good IF they are capable of doing so. Some suffer from medical issues that influence weight gain, some just entertain bad habits.

Adding phobic to things works quite a bit nowadays, it carries such a negative connotation that if you're labeled as such, you're seen as a piece of shit which I don't agree with because it strips any potential nuance from your views on things.

There's being a dick, and there's caring about the health of others. How you go about talking to people about this sort of shit matters.

Derwood posted...

Its because people cant separate facts (obesity leads to higher rates of heart disease, diabetes, etc) from personal attacks/public shaming.

This isnt limited to obesity, of course. People take facts as personal attacks on all sorts of things (smoking, drinking, guns, unprotected sex, etc)

I agree with this. It is just simply an overcorrection. With that said, I am very much against fat shaming because it's been proven that fat shaming others just makes them even more fat, because guess what most of them will do for comfort? It is not productive and encouragement is one of the few ways that can help with it.

synklare posted...

Once upon a time, weight was a sign of wealth, and being well off / able to eat well was considered a desirable thing.

Now we live in excess of everything, we desire skinny. Kind of funny really lol.

On the one hand, I get it, there's a fundamental difference between mocking somebody for being fat, and suggesting they take up healthier habits for their own good IF they are capable of doing so. Some suffer from medical issues that influence weight gain, some just entertain bad habits.

Adding phobic to things works quite a bit nowadays, it carries such a negative connotation that if you're labeled as such, you're seen as a piece of shit which I don't agree with because it strips any potential nuance from your views on things.

There's being a dick, and there's caring about the health of others. How you go about talking to people about this sort of shit matters.

you cannot determine how healthy someone is, or how healthy their "habits" are, by looking at them. you also cannot determine those things by looking at their BMI.

obesity can often be a result of undrrlying mental difficulty, but people like to ignore that and make fun of them

CyricZ posted...

Is it?

Hey I'm just asking questions.

You were making a judgmental assumption. Next time, consider giving a total stranger the benefit of a doubt.

I don't think I did. That's your assumption.

How else could you possibly arrive at the conclusion that I make fun of fat folks?

"They're just facts"

What purpose does it actually serve to let fat people know that being fat is unhealthy? Unless you are a doctor or they are literally running claiming being 400 pounds is good for you, why would a person need to remind fat people of the health issues associated with obesity, especially when over half of America is obese?

If you're not trying to push for some national weight loss initiative and/or actively concerned about their wellbeing, all you're doing is reminding fat people that they are fat. That's as productive as telling a depressed person that being sad is unhealthy or an anxious person to be themselves.

We definitely gotta be understanding and compassionate towards their struggle.

But you got people out there pretending like it ain't unhealthy to weigh over 3 00lbs.

averagejoel posted...

you cannot determine how healthy someone is, or how healthy their "habits" are, by looking at them. you also cannot determine those things by looking at their BMI.

I don't typically base it upon simply looking at somebody.

Prior to a serious back injury years ago, I was a fitness instructor. When dealing with consultations and drawing up regimes, I'd ask people to be as honest as possible, and fill out food diaries for a length they felt was reasonable based on what they wanted from me.

Many had bad eating habits, some had underlying medical conditions.

I'd get as much information as possible, have people fill out health-questionnaires and PARQ forms to let me know if I should be referring them to their GP first before going on any form of regime or plan with me. Would have been pretty daft of me to suggest nutritional changes or exercise plans to people that could be detrimental to their health.

My post above is more so on the topic of being "fat-phobic". I don't vibe with the idea of adding phobic to things because it's a cop-out to escape discussion of a variety of subjects. There are people deserving of the mantles, sure, but it's a common tactic to shy away from any discussion.

I've always felt that BMI was a crock of shit myself as well, I liked getting people to a place where they, as an individual, felt comfortable but would always suggest optimal paths to get there and any potential improvements that could be had. BMI is outdated as fuck as there a lot of variables it doesn't take into account.

synklare posted...

I don't typically base it upon simply looking at somebody.

Prior to a serious back injury years ago, I was a fitness instructor. When dealing with consultations and drawing up regimes, I'd ask people to be as honest as possible, and fill out food diaries for a length they felt was reasonable based on what they wanted from me.

Many had bad eating habits, some had underlying medical conditions.

I'd get as much information as possible, have people fill out health-questionnaires and PARQ forms to let me know if I should be referring them to their GP first before going on any form of regime or plan with me. Would have been pretty daft of me to suggest nutritional changes or exercise plans to people that could be detrimental to their health.

okay, in that case this is perfectly reasonable. the image I had in my head was of you giving fat people unsolicited advice as they walk past you on the street.

My post above is more so on the topic of being "fat-phobic". I don't vibe with the idea of adding phobic to things because it's a cop-out to escape discussion of a variety of subjects. There are people deserving of the mantles, sure, but it's a common tactic to shy away from any discussion.

I do understand this, though it's much more productive to think of such terms as descriptors of behaviour than indictments of character; and if it's detrimental to conversation, it's largely because the people displaying such behaviour misinterpret it as the latter and throw a fit.

on that level, it's still very much possible to engage with what people say in spite of any such prejudices. I generally don't even use that kind of language, but it's still very, very common for people to throw a similar fit -- this leads me to believe that it's not actually related to -phobias and other related words. but I don't know.

I've always felt that BMI was a crock of shit myself as well, I liked getting people to a place where they, as an individual, felt comfortable but would always suggest optimal paths to get there and any potential improvements that could be had. BMI is outdated as fuck as there a lot of variables it doesn't take into account.

obviously improving one's diet and exercise is beneficial health-wise. those benefits don't necessarily translate to someone's weight though. I think fixation on weight, as opposed to general health, is... well, unhealthy. I sometimes think of it as an individual mindset thing; though it's also a broader systemic issue

I love how the pendulum swings the other way, if you arent for the fat acceptance movement, you obviously want to sit there and laugh and call people fat.

No, fat acceptance and body positivity is unhealthy and is about accepting that you are overweight and that you arent going to do anything about it. People try to disguise it as "loving yourself" but its just a cop out for the mentally weak.

I am overweight, I will strive my best to get fit and try to diet, because no one will find me an attractive bachelor if I dont try to attain an attractive body.

dioxxys posted...

I love how the pendulum swings the other way, if you arent for the fat acceptance movement, you obviously want to sit there and laugh and call people fat.

No, fat acceptance and body positivity is unhealthy and is about accepting that you are overweight and that you arent going to do anything about it. People try to disguise it as "loving yourself" but its just a cop out for the mentally weak.

I am overweight, I will strive my best to get fit and try to diet, because no one will find me an attractive bachelor if I dont try to attain an attractive body.

Who cares if fat people don't want to anything about it? Everyone's fucking fat. Either fat acceptance has been massively popular for generations or people have just not given a fuck.

It's pretty obvious that most people that complain about fat people are not doing so out of a selfless desire to see their health improve. They just want to complain and belittle. Half the time, they are fat themselves.

hockeybub89 posted...

Everyone's fucking fat.

Why even post something so blatantly false?

hockeybub89 posted...

Everyone's fucking fat.

Found the fat kid.

also

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/4/AABoVMAACxIA.jpg

The Wheelman1 posted...

Not surprising at all coming from the most obese country in the world.

Not in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate

Its also weird how people even attack doctors for saying being fat is unhealthy.

Tenlaar posted...

Why even post something so blatantly false?

it's not "blatantly false" because "fat" is not an objective descriptor. it's subjective

All humams are equally soft and flabby to Bolgar the Supreme.

averagejoel posted...

it's not "blatantly false" because "fat" is not an objective descriptor. it's subjective

Yes, it is blatantly false.

Lmao this shit is gold

Its ok to call men fat. its fat shaming when you call a woman fats even if she is, in fact, fat.

Tenlaar posted...

Yes, it is blatantly false.

it's subjective

averagejoel posted...

it's subjective

Thats like saying the sky is purple is subjective.

Tenlaar posted...

Thats like saying the sky is purple is subjective.

colours, including purple, correspond to an objective light frequency.

there is no objective measure of what "fat" means as an adjective

hockeybub89 posted...

Who cares if fat people don't want to do anything about it? Are you their doctor? Everyone's fucking fat. Either fat acceptance has been massively popular for generations or people have just not given a fuck.

It's pretty obvious that most people that complain about fat people are not doing so out of a selfless desire to see their health improve. They just want to complain and belittle. Half the time, they are fat themselves.

I already admitted my self to being overweight, not obese but I still am trying my best to improve. I think your view is very pessimistic and assumes the worst of people.

Why do I care that people are fat? Because duh, I know what its like to be fat and it makes me unhappy, lose self-confidence and makes me generally miserable. Excuse my language, but why the fuck would I want that for anyone else? I try to get in shape and cheer others on for doing their best, because I know it helps.

No one should accept being overweight because it perpetuates bad exercising/eating habits and leads to being obese and being at risk for physical health issues.

h23456bca posted...

Its ok to call men fat. its fat shaming when you call a woman fats even if she is, in fact, fat.

Also not really about calling people fat but more so that this is the unspoken law of the dating world.