Current Events > I hate the Iron Spider Spider-Man suit

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It's way cooler when he's just a dude that can climb walls and perform insane strength feats. I don't want his costume to be a part of his powers

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I agree. I'll pick classic Spider-Man every time. Nothing beats his basic costume. I don't want Iron Man Jr. I want Spider-Man

MCU Spidey has everything handed to him

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tbh Stark is kind of an asshole for not giving everyone on the team some sort of nanotech gadgetry

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maybe in No Way Home, the other 2 Spideys will outstage Holland. Holland will ask how they are so good.

"We don't rely on presents from a benefactor "

Ivynn posted...

MCU Spidey has everything handed to him

I enjoyed the MCU Spiderman movies when I watched them, but after rewatching the Tobey Maguire trilogy I find them lacking. Spiderman 2 might be better than any MCU movie.

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does look pretty rad though

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Ivynn posted...

MCU Spidey has everything handed to him

feels like he's capn murica + iron man with webs instead of rocket arms/boots

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Doe posted...

It's way cooler when he's just a dude that can climb walls and perform insane strength feats. I don't want his costume to be a part of his powers

Do you think Spidey make webbing naturally?

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TheChariot posted...

Do you think Spidey make webbing naturally?

He does in the Sam Raimi films.

And it's one thing to augment himself with web shooters he designed especially because that requires spider like precision to use correctly. But once you get inside a mech suit, well, anybody could be "Spider-Man" then.

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Ivynn posted...

MCU Spidey has everything handed to him

That ''I'm nothing without the suit'' scene in Homecoming always pisses me off. You'd never catch Tobey saying shit like that. In fact, he would've just put some dirt in Tony's eye.

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Ivynn posted...

MCU Spidey has everything handed to him

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The Iron Spider Armor simply augments his abilities, it doesn't really enhance him to levels he wasn't already at before.

Mind you, Spidey is incredibly powerful and regularly holds back. When Otto Octavius temporarily had control of Peter's body in Superior Spider-Man, he punched Scorpion in the jaw that he removed it.

He punched Scorpion's jaw off.

And he wasn't even trying do it.

It's no different from the webshooters, it's just an augment of his current abilities. Not like he needs it, it doesn't make him not Spidey. Just enhances him to push himself further.

Just the way I see it anyway.
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Then he shouldn't need the mech suit

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Doe posted...

Then he shouldn't need the mech suit

I mean, he doesn't need a lot of the stuff he has. He doesn't need his webshooters, they're just tech that builds on what he already has.

Superior Spider-Man has an army of spider-drones as well as spider-legs that pop out of his back. He doesn't need those, but of course hes gonna use them because...well, why not?
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i took the mech suit as Tony wanting to impress someone. We all know Spiderman is incredibly strong, but he holds back, much like Batman does.

I wouldnt be surprised if he ditches the suit in the new movie.

you know, its also there for toys.

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Slayer_22 posted...

Superior Spider-Man has an army of spider-drones as well as spider-legs that pop out of his back. He doesn't need those, but of course hes gonna use them because...well, why not?

I dont like that

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That why I like the amazing Spider-Man movie

https://youtu.be/gNPy_CO4zqA
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The Iron Spider suit would be fine if it was just a one-time thing. Like only used in IW or Endgame. Not just...his standard suit across, what, 4 movies now?

"MCU Spidey has everything handed to him" is very accurate.

Doe posted...

I enjoyed the MCU Spiderman movies when I watched them, but after rewatching the Tobey Maguire trilogy I find them lacking. Spiderman 2 might be better than any MCU movie.

This, except I didn't like Far From Home at all even when I first saw it.

Even Andrew's movies have more heart to them and have Peter feel like Peter compared to the MCU Spidey movies. Rewatched them all recently and it's like night and day.

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Doe posted...

I dont like that

As fun as all the spider-gadgets were in PS4 Spider-man, it does feel wrong when they make Spider-man a gadget hero.

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tbf, the gadgets in the PS4 game were all made by Peter himself, weren't they?

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Ivynn posted...

As fun as all the spider-gadgets were in PS4 Spider-man, it does feel wrong when they make Spider-man a gadget hero.

Hes always been a gadget hero. Hes had the web shooters and Spider-tracers for decades not to mention the goofier stuff like the spider-signal and the spider-mobile. And in the last decade hes experimented with a lot of new gear like the bulletproof suit, the Big Time suit which gave him invisbility and the Ends Of The Earth suit which was pretty much his ultimate creation. Actually, I guess you could argue that the suit he wore in the Parker Industries era was even more advanced than the Ends of The Earth suit
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So we agree that Tom Holland isnt very Peter Parker

.... And you're upset that they went a totally new direction with the character for it?

........ Does Spiderman run around New York using his iPhone GPS? It's a plot hole nowadays! In many ways, Tom Holland has outdone Peter & Miles alike. The tech makes him the best Spiderman since Miguel & Ben Riley. He has a hot Aunt May. His best friend is a heavyset kid. Mary Jane is whatever the hell you call Zendaya. Having stupid inventions is also something Spiderman has had increasing trouble with as a whole over the years with the entire franchise. It's nice to see the doors of possibility open in so many big ways for a version of Peter Parker we all want to believe in , but let's be honest, we still really don't. I think having a very literal passing of the torch from Maguire & Garfield (who get the rare chance to squash the beef) over to Holland gives him a chance. Should see Kraven, Venom, and Vulture again for the next movies...... Would also make sense to use Spiderman to help introduce the X-Men & Fantastic 4 as new offshoots of the Avengers .

Xethuminra posted...

And you're upset that they went a totally new direction with the character for it?

They obv didn't want to repeat things previous Spider-Man movies already did, but also they seemingly didn't care about what made Peter Parker/Spider-Man Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the first place.

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Xethuminra posted...

His best friend is a heavyset kid

which he stole from Miles. That heavy set kid is based on Miles best friend in the comics

Spider-Boy
Or
Spider-Bro

Yeah I overall prefer a scrappy Spider-man who has to do it all by himself. Something about a character who historically is poor and struggles to pay the bills now worshipping a billionaire and getting a lot of stuff handed down from him overall rubs me the wrong way.

I don't mind if he crafts gadgets on his own. Although yeah every super hero also being a genius inventor/hacker can get a bit tiring.

Thinking about it not many of the MCU characters are just regular joes who have ended up with super powers or a super suit through a coincidence and have to juggle a normal life with their super powers. Ant-man feels like the most normal dude. It's funny because DC is criticized for this all the time.

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They skipped the origin and this is how we treat them? SpiderMan played a huge part in Civil War & Infinity War. He's having a good run.

More tech! Turn him into a nerd!

It feels like MCU Spidey is Marvel kind of overcorrecting the whole "Spidey is always down on his luck and dirt poor" thing by having Tony Stark basically cover for him.

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BakonBitz posted...

It feels like MCU Spidey is Marvel kind of overcorrecting the whole "Spidey is always down on his luck and dirt poor" thing by having Tony Stark basically cover for him.

And that's one of the parts that made him so damn relatable smh

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YookaLaylee posted...

Hes always been a gadget hero. Hes had the web shooters and Spider-tracers for decades not to mention the goofier stuff like the spider-signal and the spider-mobile. And in the last decade hes experimented with a lot of new gear like the bulletproof suit, the Big Time suit which gave him invisbility and the Ends Of The Earth suit which was pretty much his ultimate creation. Actually, I guess you could argue that the suit he wore in the Parker Industries era was even more advanced than the Ends of The Earth suit

The MK4 Spider-Armor, right? That suit was/is awesome.
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Aki_Sora posted...

That why I like the amazing Spider-Man movie

https://youtu.be/gNPy_CO4zqA

Garfield's spiderman is the most stylish live action spidey imo

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Original Iron Spider suit looked cool. But my pet peeve was that then the Avengers had Iron Man, Spider-Woman, and Spider-Man all repping Red/Yellow costumes. >_>


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Disney's treatment of Spider-Man is a lot like the way that the WWE treats wrestlers from other companies.

They want to use that individual's popularity to sell tickets, but they also want to throw in as many references, subliminal or overt, as possible to imply that their home stock is better than the outsider. Since appearing in the MCU, Spider-Man has been the Robin to Iron Man's Batman. He's not allowed to be himself and shine on his own. He always needs to be reminding you how great the Disney-owned characters are.

Case in point, his first appearance was losing fights to Captain America and the Falcon.

Tbh I dislike all of the armory Spider-man suits in general. I never used them in the PS4 game.

Only one I remember liking was the silver one in the PS1 game because it gave extra health lol. Even then it looked more like a skin in that game.

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BipBapBam posted...

And that's one of the parts that made him so damn relatable smh

Pretty much. Like, I still like Tom Holland's Spidey but he doesn't feel like he's solving things on his own half the time.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Disney's treatment of Spider-Man is a lot like the way that the WWE treats wrestlers from other companies.

They want to use that individual's popularity to sell tickets, but they also want to throw in as many references, subliminal or overt, as possible to imply that their home stock is better than the outsider. Since appearing in the MCU, Spider-Man has been the Robin to Iron Man's Batman. He's not allowed to be himself and shine on his own. He always needs to be reminding you how great the Disney-owned characters are.

Case in point, his first appearance was losing fights to Captain America and the Falcon.

He did not lose to falcon. Cap America sure but tobey-man literally struggled with macho man randy savage as his first fight

Raimi making it so that he naturally produces web from the start was the best thing that happened to Spidey in decades, and everything afterwards going back to web-shooters was a mistake. Giving him a power suit was just the cherry on the shit cake.

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Ivynn posted...

As fun as all the spider-gadgets were in PS4 Spider-man, it does feel wrong when they make Spider-man a gadget hero.

Why?

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Xavier_On_High posted...

Raimi making it so that he naturally produces web from the start was the best thing that happened to Spidey in decades, and everything afterwards going back to web-shooters was a mistake. Giving him a power suit was just the cherry on the shit cake.

he was originally meant to use organic webbing from the comic beginning, but they had to change it to suit 60s comic censors. "No bodily fluids". It became tradition then

I used to be a fan of organic webs but I kinda like his ingenuity in having to invent it.

dave_is_slick posted...

Why?

IDK why people think this

Peter Parker is arguably more scientific than Tony Stark in the comics. I mean, he is a regular MacGyver second only to Bruce Wayne in terms of using his brain instead of his brawn to take down the villain. Hurting people is bad, and fighting is just plain old reckless. With great power comes great responsibility. Peter is constantly reinventing his equipment to use the bad guy's own power against him (or her;) just like Batman. Actually, the MCU fixes a glaring issue from the books. A number of them.

Generally, it's accepted that the government knows who Peter is (why don't they contact him ever?) And ~ where did he get his start with the super tech? Generally, either he's a Mary Sue level boy-genius ..... Or he just syphons things from Osbourne & Reed Richards to repurpose as his own stuff. They have the perfect setup to introduce the Mutants, and combine Smythe's super gimmicky albeit beloved Spider-Slayers with the Sentinels ... Using the Stark tech, and introducing the Fantastic 4 as a secret black ops research group to help solve this knotted web of factors. And

If anyone is taking Tony Stark's place as the heart of the MCU

.... Somehow, it seems right that it's Spiderman. A real hero.

I forgot I have TC marked as hating everything

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He is a scientist but he's supposed to be down on his luck, and a scavenger. He doesn't have a super lab and unlimited resources. And anyway, he didn't build his iron spider suit in the mcu. Maybe if he did somehow make it himself, it would be a little better. But it was literally just given to him for free. Its cheating

Zikten posted...

he was originally meant to use organic webbing from the comic beginning, but they had to change it to suit 60s comic censors. "No bodily fluids". It became tradition then

Holy shit is that true? I know about the CCA, but that's an incredible little fact to have on hand.

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Zikten posted...

I used to be a fan of organic webs but I kinda like his ingenuity in having to invent it.

Yeah, this. Seeing Tobey using them like that was cool, but I'm a much bigger fan of seeing how Garfield constructed his own in TASM1 -- seeing characters do stuff like that helps make them more endearing, imo.

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Xavier_On_High posted...

Holy shit is that true? I know about the CCA, but that's an incredible little fact to have on hand.

Well good question...... I'm starting to doubt myself. I am looking around for evidence. Its something I saw a long time ago, but I haven't found it now. Its possible I was misinformed. It seems like something that would be real. It makes total sense, and I was so sure of it. I will let you know if i find confirmation. Sorry. I should have verified it first. I was 100% sure it was real

Guide posted...

tbh Stark is kind of an asshole for not giving everyone on the team some sort of nanotech gadgetry

He did build all of War Machine's armours. I suspect he helped design & built Hawkeye's, Widow's, and Falcon's gear. But couldn't do anything for Hulk or Thor.

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They need to reintroduce Iron Man as a mystery force, not revealing his face or explaining how he's returned (is he a ghost? is it an AI? is someone disgusing themselves as Tony Stark? Are there multiple Iron Men out there now? Like Anonymous? Lol) ~ that sort of thing (Tuxedo Mask, Racer X stuff) is sorely missing from this fantasy world. Thanos kinda had the reigns there. The villains toy with the concept, as usual. But where's our dark & serious mysterious stranger who has a real secret identity and is super cool whenever he shows up/disappears just as fast? Iron Man is excellent for that. They don't even really need to lean on RDJ's likeness or voice but so much for it. Who knows. Is he from another universe? XD

I bet RDJ's massive contract addresses that lol

Nah, Iron Man/Tony is done. They shouldn't undermine his departure by bringing him (or anything like him) back so soon.

Besides, if the ending of Eternals is any indication, we're gonna be getting some "mystery" appearances from Blade.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Disney's treatment of Spider-Man is a lot like the way that the WWE treats wrestlers from other companies.

They want to use that individual's popularity to sell tickets, but they also want to throw in as many references, subliminal or overt, as possible to imply that their home stock is better than the outsider. Since appearing in the MCU, Spider-Man has been the Robin to Iron Man's Batman. He's not allowed to be himself and shine on his own. He always needs to be reminding you how great the Disney-owned characters are.

I don't think that's it at all. Maybe on some level, they wanted to have Spider-Man more integrated with the overall MCU so it'd be harder for Sony to take their ball and go home. But I highly doubt Kevin Feige is out here performing deliberate character assassination as...what? Some weird dick-measuring contest with no real financial incentive?

I always thought it was as simple as Marvel Studios wanting a Peter Parker that actually spent a decent amount of time in high school, because the clear influence for the Homecoming trilogy are the earlier Ditko comics (even moreso than they were an influence on the Raimi trilogy).

But you actually had plenty of those earlier stories with Peter trying to get in with the Fantastic 4 and other heroes, which is a dynamic you don't get to see in other Spider-Man movies. I think they took this opportunity to explore a mentor-mentee relationship wrapped up in what is essentially a light-hearted, high school, coming-of-age story.

BUT I think the larger part of what this trilogy is trying to do is transition us into what we saw more with the more 80s, darker Spider-Man stories. So this one starts off fairly low stakes, Peter has a safety net, hasn't yet figured out that his superhero life being connected to his loved ones sucks, etc., and nothing too bad happens.

But you'll notice Peter's life gets gradually more fucked as the trilogy goes along. Homecoming was fairly mundane, his crush had to move away and he had to miss the prom nbd. Far From Home leaves us with Peter's identity exposed to the fucking world due to his battle with Mysterio and any potential enemies of Spider-Man know exactly how to hurt him. Now the big leak with No Way Home is that a) someone important dies and b) EVERYBODY forgets that Peter is Spider-Man, including his loved ones. Now that we know another Holland trilogy is on the way (and also, duh, they wouldn't be trying to bring Venom into the fold if it wasn't) that puts us in prime position to make another trilogy with a much more mature Peter and a much more different tone that still features the same Spider-Man. It only makes sense. Sony is still 100% deadass about doing a whole Spider-Man Cinematic Universe, but they can't do that if they have to keep rebooting the story every time a trilogy is over.

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