Poll of the Day > Cowboy Bebop live action is out on Netflix today

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wolfy42 posted...

Yeah, I get that and agree to a point. Dark souls though for me isn't (usually) frustration gaming, as I was always good enough to beat most fights after a few times (thank god) and that was without summoning help. I never actually had to summon help in order to beat a fight before getting frustrated with it (so far...but I think Elder ring is going to be actually over all easier combat wise).

But there are games like that which I just don't play, I have no patience for frustration gaming at this point and wouldn't be able to play many games in the past where you had to do a whole level over again if you died etc...forget that lol.

This is why I don't hardcore raid in MMOs, nor join groups that take two or three hours one week to understand something simple only to forget it the next week like they'd never learned it at all. It's one thing to fail once or thrice, whether by mistakes made or lessons learned, but it's another when you slam against a wall over and over and over and nothing gained - at all.

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Personally, I just don't do raids in MMOs because I grew up in an era when you played video games to get away from other people. Video gaming is something you do alone, or occasionally with friends on the same couch, not something you do with a dozen strangers from all around the world.

I know that mentality has changed (especially for a lot of younger gamers), but I'm still sort of in the old mindset.

It's why I mostly avoid MMOs at all. And even when I do play them (like ESO or GTA:O), I mainly just stick to solo'ing the single-player content anyway. Which means I'm pretty much permanently locked out of raids and larger group instances that are designed to be extremely difficult unless you're with a group and coordinating tactics.
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First episode was good.

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The main ship is called Marvin and the Password to it is Bean.

That's half of my full name lol @Kimbos_Egg

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marvin?

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Mmhmm

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Watched 3 episodes before I went to bed.

The series is fun, Spike is great, Jet is great, the atmosphere is great, the banter really feels like Bebop anime banter, especially episode 3.

They took some artistic liberties I don't get (like Jet's backstory), but it doesn't really detract from the overall narrative.

What I don't like: Everything Vicious is involved in.
He's the worst, why is his character so bad?
Everyone is supposed to be afraid of this mad dog who will stop at nothing to get what he wants, so far he's been more of a Viserys Targaryen type character, everyone just bullies him.

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wolfy42 posted...

Anyway I would HIGHLY recommend reading the series, even if it does peter off long term.

I should point out that I read the books as they came out ... up until Book 11. I cannot recall if I did anything with the Sanderson trilogy, though I do have it.

For me, the pacing was great for the first four books, and then it bogged down in Book 5 and stopped dead in Book 6, becoming a slog after that. Still a great series, but perhaps too ambitious in the end.

I have watched the first three episodes of the show, and it is ... okay. I feel like the original story could have been trimmed a bit differently, and there is stuff in there that is not in the books at all, but the look of the universe is definitely there, barring poor CGI (e.g. the Trollocs).


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I've watched the first few episodes of the live-action Beebop with my wife. We've been alternating between that and Amazon's Wheel of Time... and let me tell you, Cowboy Bebop feels so good in comparison to that disaster. I'm not even sure if Cowboy Bebop is actually good or if it's more like spoiled milk tastes delicious after you've eaten nothing but crap.

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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 79767262, 960176209, '0b043102');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79767262/960176209">Revelation34 posted... </a>

You said retconning is a sign of a bad writer.

It is. What does that have to do with kishimoto?

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Entity13 posted...

mmnope

The game plot at least. I wouldn't know if Geralt died in the books or not.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Even in Japan, you'll get anime that is totally different from the manga it's based on, and then they'll come out with a later anime that's different from the previous two, or a movie that's different from all of those, and so on. They're not huge on franchise continuity.

That being said, the problem most people have with Western adaptations of manga/anime isn't that it's different from the original, as much as because it's different in blatantly stupid ways that don't make the adaptation more entertaining.

What about Brotherhood?

SunWuKung420 posted...

It is. What does that have to do with kishimoto?

Deidara vs Sasuke was either a retcon or purely bad writing. Well the entire ninja war was bad writing anyway.
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Revelation34 posted...

The game plot at least. I wouldn't know if Geralt died in the books or not.

He does at the end of the last chronological book, along with Yenn. And the game also shares a different plot to WoT, to say nothing of the game trilogy changing that fate in the books to a temporary death before they are brought back for reasons and Geralt gets to retire in not-Tuscany.

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Watched three episodes so far. I'm actually enjoying it. I didn't think I would. Some of the style choices that wirk fine in an animated show don't translate so well in live action. Not a big enough deal to bother me though.


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Yeah I actually like Bebop a lot. I dunno why people are so angry about it. They need to understand that its an adaptation and its going to be its own thing

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Entity13 posted...

He does at the end of the last chronological book, along with Yenn. And the game also shares a different plot to WoT, to say nothing of the game trilogy changing that fate in the books to a temporary death before they are brought back for reasons and Geralt gets to retire in not-Tuscany.

I thought that was based off France.
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FrozenBananas posted...

Yeah I actually like Bebop a lot. I dunno why people are so angry about it. They need to understand that its an adaptation and its going to be its own thing

its easier to complain about something online than to give it a chance with some of your time

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Most of the people complaining either:

Didn't want to watch it or wanted a complete copy of the OG series

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Revelation34 posted...

I thought that was based off France.

One particular DLC is definitely not.

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Entity13 posted...

One particular DLC is definitely not.

The name of it.
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Revelation34 posted...

The name of it.

Blood and Wine.

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still haven't watched it.

i don't mind differences, but there's a limit to that though. after a while you should just make a new thing instead of using someone else's work to make something that comes off lazy, stupid, and even disrespectful to the original artist if it's done poorly enough. after some of the clips and news articles i've seen of it, i'm inclined to lean toward disrespectful here.

like what you like, though, idc.

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FrozenBananas posted...

Yeah I actually like Bebop a lot. I dunno why people are so angry about it. They need to understand that its an adaptation and its going to be its own thing

To me it just looks bad, whoever is doing the costuming is awful. It looks like Spirit Halloween-tier costumes half of the time.

shadowsword87 posted...

To me it just looks bad, whoever is doing the costuming is awful. It looks like Spirit Halloween-tier costumes half of the time.

it looks and acts like a high school play from what i've seen.

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Nade Duck posted...

it looks and acts like a high school play from what i've seen.

Yeah, it's a shame because there's a whole lot of love to the source material, especially from the CGI people, but they just didn't have the experience to follow through with it.

shadowsword87 posted...

To me it just looks bad, whoever is doing the costuming is awful. It looks like Spirit Halloween-tier costumes half of the time.

Because it's hard af to adapt anime clothing into live action.

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I'm fine with Faye's live action outfit, for one. In fact, I like it more than her male-gaze-driven anime outfit.

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I'm not throwing shade at the design choice, I'm talking about the person who put needle to fabric, that person.

See how the robot arm is bulging?
https://i.imgur.com/NfvRrVo.png
That's because it's not tapered correctly at the elbow, it's leather and needs to be tapered even harder.

https://i.imgur.com/91ZS53E.png
The syndicate suits were what I was talking about mostly when I was talking about Spirit Halloween costume, they look cheap.

https://i.imgur.com/JWeuczd.png
While looking for those pictures, which stuck out to me the most, I also found what I think are the sea-fish eco-terrorists. They also don't look great.

Those are very strange criticisms

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It's what struck out to me, and I couldn't stop noticing it.
I don't have a problem with Jet having just a CGI arm, it'd probably look fine. It's better than that a piece of leather painted dark.

Entity13 posted...

I'm fine with Faye's live action outfit, for one. In fact, I like it more than her male-gaze-driven anime outfit.

i don't see what's wrong with that tbh. artists should be allowed to do what they want to do. that said, i don't really have an issue with her outfit in this. that'd be hard to pull off and take seriously with a real person. it's a minor change that doesn't matter amongst all the other weird shit that's been done.

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Ive seen art. I think artists are allowed to do whatever they wanna do

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RootKing posted...

Ive seen art. I think artists are allowed to do whatever they wanna do

indeed. it's sad when they feel compelled to change it for the complaints of others, thankfully that hasn't really happened with bebop.

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Just finished the last episode. I definitely enjoyed it and will watch season 2 when it comes out. But I think I'm going to hate Ed in the next season. And that stupid metal strip on Jet's face bugged me even more than it did throughout the anime.


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Entity13 posted...

Blood and Wine.

I meant the name of the region.

Nade Duck posted...

i don't see what's wrong with that tbh. artists should be allowed to do what they want to do. that said, i don't really have an issue with her outfit in this. that'd be hard to pull off and take seriously with a real person. it's a minor change that doesn't matter amongst all the other weird shit that's been done.

Anything is possible if they tried.
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Revelation34 posted...

I meant the name of the region.

It's based on Tuscany, but is called Toussaint in-game.

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Entity13 posted...

It's based on Tuscany, but is called Toussaint in-game.

Toussaint sounds like a French name.
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Revelation34 posted...

Toussaint sounds like a French name.

I am aware, but then you go there and see how not-really-French the place is. In fact, it is distinctly Italian with its flora, sun, and flavor of wine culture. Considering how much of northern Italia was alternating French and Latin during the Middle Ages, simply looking at a French name and saying a place is France is a subpar argument at best.

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Man, I really hate the live action Vicious.
That's like my only gripe lol

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Entity13 posted...

I am aware, but then you go there and see how not-really-French the place is. In fact, it is distinctly Italian with its flora, sun, and flavor of wine culture. Considering how much of northern Italia was alternating French and Latin during the Middle Ages, simply looking at a French name and saying a place is France is a subpar argument at best.

France is also famously known for it's wine culture.
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Revelation34 posted...

France is also famously known for it's wine culture.

Hence why I said flavor of wine culture. Both are known for wine, but each with their own approach.

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