Current Events > Professor sparks outrage for rebranding pedophiles as minor-attracted people.

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NecroFoul99 posted...

Hate to break it to you...it's pretty fucking normal.

Millions of children are molested each year...it's not abnormal.

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Sheesh. Lets stop this right here. Something like pedophillia is not normal. The majority of the population are not pedophiles.

What you're saying here is like saying rape or murder is fucking normal too by this logic. Dude are you listening to your own words?

No, but the stigmatization should still be there because of the danger it leads to and the perverse nature. Because thats all it is. Perverted and twisted. There is no amount of reasoning you can come up with to dispute that at all.

Edit: If you don't stigmatize pedophillia, why would a pedophile seek help? He/she would believe its not as bad as people once thought it was then. Again, this will have a huge negative effect and it will just lead to it being normalized like a previous posted said.

I agree. The stigma attached to pedophiles exists to protect children. We need the stigma.

Of course gamefaqs users are defending the video in the OG post...how many times have I seen topics of weirdos getting off on pages and pages of naughty anime girls that are supposed to be like 11.

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Jagr_68 posted...

Idk what being non-binary has to do with anything but I'm assuming they're a NAMBLA member.

What does the National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes have to do with any of this?
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Nazanir posted...

I honestly don't give a shit what you want to call it. What pisses me off is that they are trying to normalize it.

Hate to break it to you...it's pretty fucking normal.

Millions of children are molested each year...it's not abnormal.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

Sheesh. Lets stop this right here. Something like pedophillia is not normal. The majority of the population are not pedophiles.

How abnormal is it then?

If millions of children every year are abused for presumably all of time...how abnormal is it?

Seems like a pretty normal human condition to me. Kids get raped...all the fucking time.

I get the desire to 'Yikes' that statement, but it's a simple truth.

Listen, I'm not advocating for normalizing pedophilia so we just accept it, I'm saying we need to stop pretending it's rare. Because it just isn't. That admission that it's a real issue affecting millions of people might, just might, push us towards meaningful change.

The fact science mostly admits it's a mental condition, but that there is no known cure, should galvanize us to find answers...but instead, "Hang them all!!!'

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Keep 'em talking.

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Fony posted...

Keep 'em talking.

All I know about fear tactics is that it was a TV show.

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NecroFoul99 posted...

How abnormal is it then?

If millions of children every year are abused for presumably all of time...how abnormal is it?

Seems like a pretty normal human condition to me. Kids get raped...all the fucking time.

I get the desire to 'Yikes' that statement, but it's a simple truth.

What is your definition of normal?

NecroFoul99 posted...

Listen, I'm not advocating for normalizing pedophilia so we just accept it, I'm saying we need to stop pretending it's rare. Because it just isn't. That admission that it's a real issue affecting millions of people might, just might, push us towards meaningful change.

By accepting its a "norm" (which it definitely isn't, I really don't know where your mind has gone in this conversation) all you'll be doing is providing more ammunition to the argument that it is in fact a standard, which it is definitely not. This will in turn provide more fuel for the sickos out there to act on their perverse impulses.

One of the main things that prevents pedophiles to act on their desires is because of the backlash and stigmatization they suffer. Something that you seem to want to do away with.

NecroFoul99 posted...

Listen, I'm not advocating for normalizing pedophilia so we just accept it,

Seems like you have already to be honest.

NecroFoul99 posted...

I'm saying we need to stop pretending it's rare. Because it just isn't. That admission that it's a real issue affecting millions of people might, just might, push us towards meaningful change.

The fact science mostly admits it's a mental condition, but that there is no known cure, should galvanize us to find answers...but instead, "Hang them all!!!'

And rightfully so. Its something that should not be in any way destigmatized. If someone truly needs help, they can go get it. But in the meantime lets not do away with one of the most important things that protect children. Public backlash and society's hatred against child molestors.

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skermac posted...

I dont understand exactly what is going on but im not as smart as a professor

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Sad_Face posted...

I completely understand this guy's sentiments, where I've found people on this board and IRL think being attracted to kids == will molest kids.

Well yeah but that's because I'm not going to assume a pedophile is an exception to the rule. If someone truly is a "virtuous" pedophile they should have no problem staying silent about it. If you feel a need to tell other people about it that's a sign that you're not so virtuous and you're planning to hurt someone, either that or you want to rub it in people's faces.

XxAxem_BlackxX posted...

Well yeah but that's because I'm not going to assume a pedophile is an exception to the rule. If someone truly is a "virtuous" pedophile they should have no problem staying silent about it. If you feel a need to tell other people about it that's a sign that you're not so virtuous and you're planning to hurt someone, either that or you want to rub it in people's faces.

You hit the nail on the head. Also coupled with the fact that its alarming some users here want to destigmatize being a pedophile. Which will simply give them more power or courage to act on their perversion.

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F1areaGaman posted...

I agree. The stigma attached to pedophiles exists to protect children. We need the stigma.

Of course gamefaqs users are defending the video in the OG post...how many times have I seen topics of weirdos getting off on pages and pages of naughty anime girls that are supposed to be like 11.

Pedophilia is bad because kids cant consent, not because small bodies bad.

Drawings have no actual age and cant consent to begin with, so there *should* be no crime there.

For the same reason, actual porn with 18+ year old women with bodies that can pass for younger and roleplay as such is also legal.

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XxAxem_BlackxX posted...

Well yeah but that's because I'm not going to assume a pedophile is an exception to the rule. If someone truly is a "virtuous" pedophile they should have no problem staying silent about it. If you feel a need to tell other people about it that's a sign that you're not so virtuous and you're planning to hurt someone, either that or you want to rub it in people's faces.

So called "virtuous pedophles" want the safeguards(little as they are) for kids to be dismissed so they're not inconvenienced from daily life. Except, IF they never harm a child they will live a completely normal life. All the destigamtization movement does is push for removing punishment and also sadly push for reclassification of victims in order to make it seem "not so bad". Observe several users on this message board always splitting hairs over child, adolescent, hebophile, whateverelseophile, etc.

SpiritSephiroth posted...

You hit the nail on the head. Also coupled with the fact that its alarming some users here want to destigmatize being a pedophile. Which will simply give them more power or courage to act on their perversion.

Imagine what you'd find on their computers.

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There's no point in changing the word. It's the condition itself that is maligned, not just the word used to refer to it.

It's already seperate from the concept of child molestors.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

By accepting its a "norm" (which it definitely isn't, I really don't know where your mind has gone in this conversation) all you'll be doing is providing more ammunition to the argument that it is in fact a standard, which it is definitely not. This will in turn provide more fuel for the sickos out there to act on their perverse impulses.

Yeah, I can tell.

Screaming, "We'll hang you!" has not been protecting our kids.

Anyway...this conversation is actually stressing me out too much, so I'm out.

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Of course fucking prostasia are involved.

look into them. At least several of their members are literally convicted child molesters.

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Anyone who defends or seriously uses a term like "Minor Attracted Person" or tries to defend pedos is automatically suspect to me.

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VioletMassacre posted...

If you're referring to what I think that should be something you'd think they'd want to do. What's the point in being a sexual being if you can't get going by consenting humans?

The few cases where it's been implemented have shown some amazingly positive results. It would appear that most paedophiles (who get caught at any rate) don't actually want to hurt children but know that they are in fact hurting children and simply cannot control themselves and there's a tremendous pressure and guilt that they live with.

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VioletMassacre posted...

The problem is also that we need to seperate actual pedophiles and those that just rape whoever. Someone can be psychopatic enough to rape children without actually liking children. I'd say rapists in general must be really fucking psychopathic from the beginning.

Oh also this is a point that often gets overlooked. Roughly half of child molesters aren't actually paedophiles. This is part of the myth that rape is about sexual satisfaction. A lot of child molesters do it simply because they can and have the opportunity to.

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I really dont get your point here. I also wouldnt compare being straight or gay to being a pedophile?

conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected.


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I didnt say it stops crimes. I said it helps prevent more from happening. A person on the fence of carrying out their perverse actions would be deterred by a lifetime of being on the sex offenders register and being chastised by society. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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VioletMassacre posted...

The problem is also that we need to seperate actual pedophiles and those that just rape whoever. Someone can be psychopatic enough to rape children without actually liking children. I'd say rapists in general must be really fucking psychopathic from the beginning.

I think one user put this pretty well earlier. There really isnt any reason for a pedophile to be going out announcing hes a pedophile to everyone around him.

Again, if he/she thinks it's necessary to seek psychological help, then fine. But normalizing a pedophile or destigimatizing the word does no one any favours except people who would decide to act on their perverse desires.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The few cases where it's been implemented have shown some amazingly positive results. It would appear that most paedophiles (who get caught at any rate) don't actually want to hurt children but know that they are in fact hurting children and simply cannot control themselves and there's a tremendous pressure and guilt that they live with.

my view is skewed on this, having worked alongside LEOs in public protection. predators will to great lengths to gain access to their targets, it would suprise/scare most lay people to know how tenacious and clever some pedophiles are.

i'll throw in something about OCD here, particularly w/re to intrusive thoughts; some OCD sufferers get severe thoughts/images about harm to others - stabbing, strangling, shooting, sexual assault and CSA. they find these thoughts abhorrent and distressing, and when they present to services are often overly risk-assessed and sometimes stigmatised.

in psychiatric jargon these thoughts are called egodystonic, the person experiencing them is appalled. contrast that with pedophilia, where the thoughts and fantasies are actively welcomed.

so i am conflicted about the existence of 'virtuous pedophiles' and can't help wondering about the crossover with OCD, as well as historical attempts by predators over the last 50 years to change the label attached to them.

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I honestly don't see why people feel the need to keep renaming things because the connotations of the current words. For the most part, you just create a matter of semantics, & people will fall into the same colloquialisms as soon as they catch up to the "new" term for that thing. The word is rarely the problem, & changing it does nothing to alter the perceptions of what those words represent.

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Biscotti posted...

my view is skewed on this, having worked alongside LEOs in public protection. predators will to great lengths to gain access to their targets, it would suprise/scare most lay people to know how tenacious and clever some pedophiles are.

i'll throw in something about OCD here, particularly w/re to intrusive thoughts; some OCD sufferers get severe thoughts/images about harm to others - stabbing, strangling, shooting, sexual assault and CSA. they find these thoughts abhorrent and distressing, and when they present to services are often overly risk-assessed and sometimes stigmatised.

in psychiatric jargon these thoughts are called egodystonic, the person experiencing them is appalled. contrast that with pedophilia, where the thoughts and fantasies are actively welcomed.

so i am conflicted about the existence of 'virtuous pedophiles' and can't help wondering about the crossover with OCD, as well as historical attempts by predators over the last 50 years to change the label attached to them.

There is no proof in existence at all that pedophiles regret their thoughts or actions, and most tend to repeat offend until their sex drive disappears or they die.

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I mean I thought that's what we had the term "child molester" for?

Not like the word pedophile is already used incorrectly, people be using it to describe those attracted to those as old as 17 :/.

Biscotti posted...

so i am conflicted about the existence of 'virtuous pedophiles' and can't help wondering about the crossover with OCD, as well as historical attempts by predators over the last 50 years to change the label attached to them.

Obviously not all of them feel that way. There's plenty who have zero remorse and will do or say anything to get out of jail or otherwise avoid punishment so they can keep doing it.

The bulk of sex offender laws, regardless of age, such as sex offender lists and registrations and other nonsense that keeps getting worse over time even after you've been let out of prison is driven predominantly by the fact that sex offenders have some of the highest recidivism rates in the country of any criminal. You let a rapist out of prison and they are more likely to rape someone again than not.

Looking at alternative solutions to penalizing / treating paedophiles is worth investigating because whatever we're doing now isn't working.

But I don't think label changes or rebranding do anything to help.

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Sheesh. Lets stop this right here. Something like pedophillia is not normal. The majority of the population are not pedophiles.

What you're saying here is like saying rape or murder is fucking normal too by this logic. Dude are you listening to your own words?

Huh what murder is normal though... It's not morally acceptable but it's a normal human behavior

"That guys a pedophile."
"That guys attracted to minors."

Not much better imo.

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SauI_Goodman posted...

"That guys a pedophile."
"That guys attracted to minors."

Not much better imo.

Honestly, the only thing it will do is stop the people going "I'm not a pedo, I'm an ephebophile" since minor means under 18.

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VioletMassacre posted...

Yes, and that would create more problems.

Oh do tell, because I've only seen "ephebophile" used in bad faith arguments.

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VioletMassacre posted...

Age of Consent is most commonly 14-16, so using MAP would include both illegal and legal attractions.

Not to mention how bad it is in general to bunch together being attracted to legal teens with being attracted to little kids.

There's very little difference in the harm done caused by rape of a 10 year old vs rape of a 14 year old. There's not any significant pressing need to redefine one as being not "as bad"

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But what if the child identifies as an adult?

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At the risk of everyone hating me, Ive always had a slight tinge of sympathy for pedophiles. I highly doubt anyone WANTS to be attracted to kids. I believe its something people are born with, much like homosexuality.

Having said that, it still disgusts me.

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Gonna be devil's advocate for a second:

Wouldn't it be within current climate to say that the age of consent is a social construct?

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_Krave_ posted...

Gonna be devil's advocate for a second:

Wouldn't it be within current climate to say that the age of consent is a social construct?

This isn't a wrong statement per se but there's no better metric to determine emotional and mental maturity without lengthy psychological examinations of literally everyone. The age of consent is therefore set at such an age that youth is reliably no longer considered a detriment to informed consent.

It still doesn't always get it right there's definitely 20 year olds who are too stupid to properly consent but it's right more often than it isn't

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_Krave_ posted...

Gonna be devil's advocate for a second:

Wouldn't it be within current climate to say that the age of consent is a social construct?

I'd take a step and rephrase it to be a legal construct more than a social one. The social aspect is society has decided there has to be a cut off point where sexual acts with someone isn't acceptable below a certain age. But this means we have to draw an arbitrary line has to be drawn somewhere (some may say it isn't arbitrary, but there probably isn't much scientific basis behind choosing say 18 versus 17 or 19). So different cultures have chosen different numbers in years whether that is 14, 16, 18 or something else. And, of course, numbers have changed over the course of history generally trending upwards so historical ages for marriage are considered repulsive by modern western societies at least. Kinda fascinating to think about.

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_Krave_ posted...

Gonna be devil's advocate for a second:

Wouldn't it be within current climate to say that the age of consent is a social construct?

It definitely is

But also we live in a scientific society that now knows far more about psychological maturation than any society prior, and that should def be taken into big consideration for setting the rules imo

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Oh wow, what a totally unexpected and surprising response from CE regarding this subject. I am shocked.