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10/10/21 1:08:18 AM
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I just kept thinking about MGS the entire time.

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MrGreenonion
10/10/21 1:31:47 AM
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Is it okay to watch No Time To Die if I've never seen any of the Craig movies? Or is it like trying to watch Endgame without having seen any other Marvel movies?
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TheRock1525
10/10/21 1:33:45 AM
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Is it okay to watch No Time To Die if I've never seen any of the Craig movies? Or is it like trying to watch Endgame without having seen any other Marvel movies?

I think so but you absolutely need to see Skyfall.

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10/10/21 1:37:26 AM
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Not quite Endgame level, but it is a culmination of all the events of the previous 4 movies.

you'll get so much more out of it if you watch them all in order.

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10/10/21 1:52:15 AM
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You mostly just need Skyfall.

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StifledSilence
10/10/21 3:02:48 PM
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MrGreenonion posted...
Is it okay to watch No Time To Die if I've never seen any of the Craig movies? Or is it like trying to watch Endgame without having seen any other Marvel movies?


Its a direct continuation of Spectre, so Id recommend watching that at least. But honestly, all the Craig movies are referenced in No Time to Die in some way.
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10/10/21 4:15:48 PM
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Spectre seems like more essential viewing than Skyfall to me, because i hadn't watched Spectre before this one and had no clue what was going on for the first half of the film.
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TheRock1525
10/14/21 3:49:35 AM
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I wasn't suggesting the need to watch Skyfall due to it's importance to the Daniel Craig's James Bond Continuity.

I was suggesting it because it's fucking fantastic and arguably the best Bond movie.

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10/19/21 5:37:11 AM
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
The simularity is the fact that they forced "g1r1 p0w3r" down everyone's throat in order to score internet brownie points on Tumblr.

Want an example of a badass female lead that felt natural and great? Look at Edge of Tomorrow, or Alien(s). The Full Metal Bitch did far more for the feminist cause than Brie "Mary Sue" Larson ever will

Know what? This sentiment angers me to no end. At least likening Captain Marvel to TLJ could be taken as a potshot at Disney. This is such a broad comparison it practically amounts to misogyny.

Seriously, the MCU's first solo female-led outing gets accused of shoving girl power down peoples' throats? Sure.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/19/21 7:24:09 AM
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i'm a hardcore feminist and i kind of agree that captain marvel is a mary sue character tbqh (at least in her movie).

that being said, this is not one of my major issues with the movie, as you can certainly have a good movie with a mary sue protagonist. john mcclane is a total gary stu in die hard but the movie is still awesome.

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10/19/21 10:15:47 AM
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See, I would say John McClane is one of the most grounded and believable action heroes (at least in DH1). He doesn't just go "Rambo" on the bad guys, he actually struggles a lot and gets out by the skin of his teeth in almost every confrontation. Compare that to the aforementioned Rambo, or pretty much any Arnold movie, or the Fast and Furious movies.

With Craptain Marvel, she is absolutely an overpowered Mary Sue which as annoying as it is, isn't the end of the world. But you need to couple that with the bitchy tone of both the movie and the marketing around the movie, and that is the reason why people didn't like it. Even comparing to the rest of the MCU movies, I think only Thor 2 is worse in terms of just being boring and lame (although I did fall asleep during Black Panther, a lot of other people swore by it).

Captain Marvel suffers from the same problem as Superman in terms of being boring and lame as a hero so powerful there are no stakes, with none of the humanity or commentary that comes from the Clark Kent alter ego. And even then, at least Superman has kryptonite to add SOME tension if handled well.

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10/19/21 12:51:39 PM
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The movie's own quality is besides the point. You wouldn't know Carol is a "Mary Sue" before watching the film, and even otherwise likening the movie to the Ghostbusters reboot is still a borderline expression of misogyny because the movies only have the most superficial similarities. At least likening Captain Marvel to something like The Last Jedi can just be passed off as anti-Disney sentiment.

So far, MCU Captain Marvel is a generic action hero. And apparently the fact she's a she is worth getting so mad about.

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kevwaffles
10/19/21 5:40:14 PM
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Oh ffs just stop
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10/19/21 8:34:54 PM
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Sooo... back on topic, since I finally got to go see it today.

Gotta say, it was pretty dang good. Highlights:
-Shocker after shocker - I never expected them to actually go through with Bond's death, and yet they did it. Makes me wonder where they're going next - hopefully it's something good!
-Leiter dying also shocked me, as did Blofeld. I didn't trust Logan Ash from the start, so his betrayal didn't shock me. That said, his death was pretty satisfying - more so than Safin's even.
-Bond had a daughter. About time we found out that he had impregnated one of the women he'd fucked.
-Paloma was a fucking badass in a cute package, and Madeleine was just as much of a boss as last time - but with character development on top. Two out of three leading ladies nailing it ain't bad.
-The action sequences were well-filmed and usually pretty exciting. There was never a stretch that went on too long without one. The standouts, however, were earlier in the movie.
-We Have All the Time in the World!
-The amount of emotion in this movie was more than Quantum, Skyfall, and Spectre combined - this felt organic and real, with emotional weight to everything.
-Bond's scenes in M's office were among the best debriefings in the franchise.
-I liked how Moneypenny asked Bond to dinner. It felt like Naomie Harris finally had chemistry with Daniel Craig - this was missing from the Mendes movies.


I did have a few issues, though - most of them minor:
-The new song is bad. Unlike the other stinkers, at least it has a use: It's probably the best lullaby I've ever heard.
-I felt that while Safin's scheme was pretty epic, the character himself didn't feel like much of a threat. Perhaps I missed WHY he wanted to do what he did. His vendetta against SPECTRE was perfectly clear, but everything else not so much. Less relevantly, I still don't know what Dr. Obruchev or Cyclops' motives were.
-Nomi never amounted to anything. A skilled agent, but quirkless and dull. If the idiots thinking Nomi will take over as protagonist get their way, that's a franchise killer - this longtime Bond fan has zero interest in going to a movie with her instead of Bond.
-Blofeld being discarded isn't befitting of the traditional character, which further justifies me referring to him as "Oberhauser." He's a weak villain not deserving of the Blofeld name and a waste of Christoph Waltz.
-I don't know why it never occurred to Bond that Safin might be bluffing about the injection, and that it was for someone other than Bond's daughter. Why trust Safin?


Frankly, it didn't feel as long as it was. It's still an 8/10 movie and I want to go see it again to fully judge.
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LinkMarioSamus
10/20/21 7:58:05 AM
#65:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
i'm a hardcore feminist and i kind of agree that captain marvel is a mary sue character tbqh (at least in her movie).

that being said, this is not one of my major issues with the movie, as you can certainly have a good movie with a mary sue protagonist. john mcclane is a total gary stu in die hard but the movie is still awesome.

Sorry it wasn't specifically labelling Captain Marvel as a "Mary Sue" that I took issue with. I don't like that label (and it fits Carol even less than it does Rey) but as far as I can understand it's fine.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
10/20/21 11:01:28 AM
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
The movie's own quality is besides the point. You wouldn't know Carol is a "Mary Sue" before watching the film, and even otherwise likening the movie to the Ghostbusters reboot is still a borderline expression of misogyny because the movies only have the most superficial similarities. At least likening Captain Marvel to something like The Last Jedi can just be passed off as anti-Disney sentiment.

So far, MCU Captain Marvel is a generic action hero. And apparently the fact she's a she is worth getting so mad about.

The comparison between Craptain Marvel and Ghostbusters 2016 is in the way the film was developed and marketed, focusing on a "stick to those LAZY IDIOT MEN" narrative instead of trying to make a movie with actual quality to it. Ghostbusters is about 1000 times worse than CM though, Marvel is one of the worst MCU movies but is still a middling popcorn flick with an unfortunate troll of a lead actress. Ghostbusters 2016 is quite possible the worst movie ever made, when you factor in the unnecessary damage it did to the franchise. RedLetterMedia has a great breakdown as to just why that movie was so abyssmal, and a lot has to do with the director just showing up to cash a cheque, and let 4 very unfunny women try to improv a bad comedy movie.

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10/20/21 11:55:16 AM
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I don't think there was much of that narrative surrounding either film. I suppose you could make a case for Ghostbusters but I think that was more news media only addressing sexist backlash it got before release, which made it seem like people who merely were against the idea of a reboot regardless of the leads' gender or who hated the trailers were being painted in the same brush as them.

At worst it's a case of sensationalism, which is really nothing new. Honestly most of what bugs me is people thinking Captain Marvel was going to be another Ghostbusters reboot fiasco and then convincing themselves it still was by insinuating Disney bought the box-office which has so many holes it's not even funny. For one thing, Samuel L. Jackson alone is probably a bigger name than the whole cast of the Ghostbusters reboot combined.

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kevwaffles
10/20/21 12:11:32 PM
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kevwaffles posted...
Oh ffs just stop

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Yesmar_
10/20/21 12:49:36 PM
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Ana de Armas is on my short list for Best Sub-Five Minute Performance in a film this year.*

*I know that she probably have more than five minutes of screen time, but you know what I mean.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/20/21 12:51:57 PM
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ghostbusters 2016 definitely had terrible, patronizing marketing. "GIRLS RULE! GET OVER IT!" and crap like that.

maybe captain marvel did too but i didn't really notice it.

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10/20/21 6:43:39 PM
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I'm fifteen years late but finally getting around to the Daniel Craig era. James Bond doing parkour into a Texas Hold 'Em tournament is the most 2006 thing ever
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10/20/21 6:56:28 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
ghostbusters 2016 definitely had terrible, patronizing marketing. "GIRLS RULE! GET OVER IT!" and crap like that.

maybe captain marvel did too but i didn't really notice it.
Larson basically went on a sexist rant talking about how men should have no opinion on her movies. You know it's sexist because if a man said the same thing about womyn or minorities they would be crucified. She's basically the most famous Karen in the entertainment industry

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Lightning Strikes
10/20/21 8:29:59 PM
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Stop this nonsense. Thats not what was said it was just twisted by sexists to allow a wont someone think of the men narrative to just distract from feminist issues, including real mens issues. It also has absolutely no relevance to this topic. BT, youre embarrassing the whole board. LMS, youre egging him on.

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10/20/21 9:33:48 PM
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Hey guys I cant wait to watch this movie this weeke-

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BlAcK TuRtLe
10/21/21 12:08:31 AM
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https://youtu.be/_LjmwDIVRoQ

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10/21/21 7:48:29 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
Stop this nonsense. Thats not what was said it was just twisted by sexists to allow a wont someone think of the men narrative to just distract from feminist issues, including real mens issues. It also has absolutely no relevance to this topic. BT, youre embarrassing the whole board. LMS, youre egging him on.

Sorry I just got annoyed at peddling the whole narrative which led to the baseless conspiracy theories surrounding Disney somehow buying CM's box office.

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Lightning Strikes
10/21/21 8:19:54 AM
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Maybe you should stop platforming those conspiracy theories then!

Its fine to ignore things. Like I assume how many here have BT on ignore, you know for all the implicit sexism and racism he posts in every thread but is just subtle enough to ignore bans.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/21/21 8:22:21 AM
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Fair enough.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
10/21/21 10:13:38 AM
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When have I said anything either racist or sexist? Seriously, one example. I'm all for equality, which is why I feel like Brie Larson should be treated equal to a man when she says really stupid sexist shit. Ideally we would get rid of cancel culture entirely, but I would settle for at least eliminating hilarious double standards when it comes to that garbage. The whole Dave Chappelle thing is another fantastic example of this

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10/21/21 11:26:35 AM
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It's mostly the mentality of likening Captain Marvel to the Ghostbusters reboot that bothers me. Although the only reason it came to mind is because I keep coming up with reasons that whole conspiracy theory is baseless (and yet still more reasonable than the idea of the 2020 elections being rigged), such as CM having a much more high-profile cast and the fact that lots of people talk about it so obviously they saw it.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/21/21 11:57:25 AM
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a big part of why a lot of people went to see captain marvel was that it came out right before endgame. if it didn't have that going for it, i doubt people would have cared as much (though i'm sure it would have done fine at the box office regardless).

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LinkMarioSamus
10/21/21 1:02:56 PM
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That too yeah.

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htaeD
10/22/21 6:42:03 AM
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Saw it too now
I liked it
Not as much as Skyfall or Casino, but at least it didnt make me feel like I was dreaming up the whole movie like with QoS

There were still some corny bits though. Mostly revolving around Spectre and how easy it was for Blofeld to keep managing them
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StartTheMachine
10/27/21 10:12:11 PM
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Just saw this and loved it.

Skyfall > No Time to Die > Casino Royale, with them all being extremely close in quality.

Those other two are irrelevant.

So tell me if I'm misremembering Casino Royale, but isn't the ending of this basically the inverse of Casino Royale?

in Casino Royale, doesn't Vesper die while giving an impassioned speech to Bond and in this Bond dies while doing the same to his new love and daughter? Or does Vesper just drown and not say anything? Either way, I thought it was a nice inversion of the ending if I'm remembering correctly, but I haven't seen anyone else point this out so maybe I'm not.

God I just rewatched Casino Royale like a year and a half ago. I have such bad memory.

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Waluigi1
10/28/21 12:44:57 AM
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Just saw it and I thought it was pretty good. That one shot was pretty cool. I'm really surprised they just straight murdered Bond like jeez lol.

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10/29/21 10:04:39 AM
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StartTheMachine posted...
So tell me if I'm misremembering Casino Royale, but isn't the ending of this basically the inverse of Casino Royale?

in Casino Royale, doesn't Vesper die while giving an impassioned speech to Bond and in this Bond dies while doing the same to his new love and daughter? Or does Vesper just drown and not say anything? Either way, I thought it was a nice inversion of the ending if I'm remembering correctly, but I haven't seen anyone else point this out so maybe I'm not.

I don't think Bond's death specifically recalled Vesper's, but Felix Leiter's absolutely did.

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