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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:24:23 PM #1: |
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:25:54 PM #2: |
I mean it depends on the individual artist but you know topics like this are gonna devolve into the silliest examples of each
(I'd say rappers on the whole though, by virtue of a medium that is mostly a form of musical poetry) --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DirkDiggles 09/06/21 12:26:01 PM #3: |
rapper rockers
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:26:44 PM #4: |
pinky0926 posted...
I mean it depends on the individual artist but you know topics like this are gonna devolve into the silliest examples of eacha single rap verse have as many words as an entire rock song... --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Greekhand 09/06/21 12:27:16 PM #5: |
Rock is what rap failed to be...a masterpiece
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:27:33 PM #6: |
Greekhand posted...
Rock is what rap failed to be...a masterpiecei guess its backwards day. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:27:47 PM #7: |
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:28:34 PM #8: |
Trickfinger posted...
a single rap verse have as many words as an entire rock song... Better = more? --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:29:31 PM #9: |
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Greekhand 09/06/21 12:29:45 PM #10: |
Trickfinger posted...
rappers leading. Trickfinger posted... i guess its backwards day.checks out --- Hairistotle He/his/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masticatingman 09/06/21 12:30:27 PM #11: |
Rap. But its far-and-away best examples are several steps above the normal output, which is fairly comparable with rock lyrics in terms of quality.
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:30:28 PM #12: |
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ZevLoveDOOM 09/06/21 12:30:43 PM #13: |
Shakespeare
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:30:58 PM #14: |
masticatingman posted...
But its far-and-away best examples are several steps above the normal output, which is fairly comparable with rock lyrics in terms of quality.mumble rappers write more complex stanzas than pretty much any rocker. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:31:14 PM #15: |
Trickfinger posted...
in this yes really are you sure should I post some silly examples --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:31:43 PM #16: |
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reallyyou mean cherry picked outliers? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 09/06/21 12:32:13 PM #17: |
I'm more of a rock fan, but I have to recognize the poetry of the rap genre. So many of those lyrics are on pointe.
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:32:37 PM #18: |
Trickfinger posted...
you mean cherry picked outliers? I mean I don't think quantity is a good predicator of quality at all --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:33:04 PM #19: |
FortuneCookie posted...
I'm more of a rock fan, but I have to recognize the poetry of the rap genre. So many of those lyrics are on pointe.exactly. even the most rudimentary rapping is based on spoken word. rock is just whatever. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:33:26 PM #20: |
pinky0926 posted...
I mean I don't think quantity is a good predicator of quality at allI dont see why not unless the material is subpar If i write an entire song with great lyrics, and you write one verse with great lyrics, objectively I'm better am i not? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whitelynx 09/06/21 12:34:06 PM #21: |
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Winrawr 09/06/21 12:34:07 PM #22: |
Neither. Lmao.
Most lyrics by rappers sound like they are written by a 9th grader. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:34:50 PM #23: |
Winrawr posted...
Neither. Lmao.Most lyrics by rockers sound like they are written by a 5th grader. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Winrawr 09/06/21 12:34:52 PM #24: |
whitelynx posted...
If you think either of those lyrics are impressive you seriously should just read actual poetry. Jesus. That's so fucking cringe. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Winrawr 09/06/21 12:35:16 PM #25: |
Trickfinger posted...
Most lyrics by rockers sound like they are written by a 5th grader.Completely agreed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 09/06/21 12:35:36 PM #26: |
now seriously, rockers and rappers can both have good lyrics.
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:35:43 PM #27: |
whitelynx posted...
even someone like kanye who isnt known for being lyrical, in just inherently more lyrical than any rocker just due to the nature of the genre. his shit is either ghostwritten or freestyle but any verse has more impact than anything from rock besides a few --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:35:56 PM #28: |
Trickfinger posted...
I dont see why not unless the material is subpar Most material is forgettable and not really something to write home about It seems weird to qualify art in terms of a numbers game like this. Like this is exactly why I hate pitchfork. The ego it takes for those guys to say without any hint of irony that X album is a 6.3, literally down to a fraction of a number... Sure, rap is 7.3x more lyrics thank rock, and therefore is 13.34% better objectively --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:36:32 PM #29: |
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 12:37:38 PM #30: |
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pinky0926 09/06/21 12:39:05 PM #31: |
Trickfinger posted...
my jedgment has nothing to do with rating on a number scale.. Your argument literally is that because rap has more lyrics than rock, it is better Trickfinger posted... If i write an entire song with great lyrics, and you write one verse with great lyrics, objectively I'm better am i not? Don't you think this is weird bro LIke just enjoy your music lol --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 09/06/21 12:39:50 PM #32: |
i do get the impression that most rock listeners only care for the instrumental and the chorus tho. at least the ones i know irl... lol
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Tyranthraxus 09/06/21 12:41:17 PM #33: |
Yeah I mean look at these lyrics how can anyone listen to this and deny it's rappers
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LincolnDuncan 09/06/21 1:02:08 PM #34: |
Sixteen bars, three verses long
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TheChariot 09/06/21 1:03:58 PM #35: |
Music is like candy. It's only good once you throw away the [w]rappers.
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Supernatural 09/06/21 1:05:34 PM #36: |
Linkin Park with Jay Z
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FurryPhilosifer 09/06/21 1:07:56 PM #37: |
Rap has more interesting vocal sections in terms of the rhythm of the words, but in terms of the words themselves actually meaning anything, I don't think it really stands out above rock.
Just because the words have a cool flow or rhymes or rhythm or any of those poetry things, I don't think actually make them good as lyrics. But I suppose that's getting into semantics. --- Ghosts are cool. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathVelvien 09/06/21 1:07:57 PM #38: |
As much more of a rock fan than a rap fan, rappers.
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Pandamonic 09/06/21 1:13:45 PM #39: |
I unironically listen to hiphop for the music, the beats, whatever. I don't give a fuck about the lyrics. I care more about the flow than what they say. They can talk about whatever they want as long as the flow is right and the music is good.
I love death metal and I don't understand anything that's being said. I don't care. It fits the music and that's more important to me. In fact, there's some really good music out there with shitty stupid lyrics, and I find that it drags the instrumental down a bit. And so much hiphop these days has awful music so I won't listen to it, even if the lyrics are thought provoking etc. If I wanted that I'd read fucking poetry. --- ...it's a very rare incantation to be sure. Only used in lost ancient arts and magics such as wrestling... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ermac 09/06/21 1:25:34 PM #40: |
pinky0926 posted...
Better = more? id say so. Were talking lyrics here, whether the music conveys a better message is another question. the consistency of artists who put effort into making good lyrics in rap and rock are pretty much the same --- We are many, you are but one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 09/06/21 1:26:44 PM #41: |
You can't answer this generally speaking.
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DezDroppedFreak 09/06/21 1:27:22 PM #42: |
Literally depends what rapper and what rocker
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Trumble 09/06/21 1:28:23 PM #43: |
They're not really comparable. I would be surprised if, generally speaking, the majority of people who are good at one, are even passable at the other. It's just two completely different skillsets, even if they have surface similarities. For much the same reason, while you can personally enjoy one or the other more, I don't really think you can compare them as such. (Now for me personally, I'll go with rap - and this is pretty much only because I don't pay much attention to lyrics in the first place, more just to the overall sound, and the vocals contribute more to this in rap IMO.)
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armandro 09/06/21 2:00:24 PM #44: |
DezDroppedFreak posted...
Literally depends what rapper and what rockerthe best rapper vs the best rocker --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trickfinger 09/06/21 5:33:43 PM #45: |
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Hummer 2 09/06/21 5:36:02 PM #46: |
Lil Wayne is a master of both genres
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SSJPurple 09/06/21 5:51:16 PM #47: |
I prefer Hip-Hop so I voted rappers.
A lot of hip hop is complex spoken word poetry (or stories) over music. I also like its abrasiveness and not giving a f*** what people think or who it pisses off. I like rock too though. I grew up on Hendrix, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath, Rush, Maiden etc. but I prefer hip hop in general. --- Long Term Effects of Suffering #G59 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pandamonic 09/06/21 5:55:42 PM #49: |
dolomedes posted...
lol @ how close the results are when one of the genres is essentially all wordplay and the other is electric guitarsb-b-b-but rock sucks and rappers are winning and rock sucks! --- ...it's a very rare incantation to be sure. Only used in lost ancient arts and magics such as wrestling... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 09/06/21 5:57:23 PM #50: |
Knew this would end with stupid stereotypes of each.
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