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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:24:23 PM
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Who...


Dicsucs.

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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:25:54 PM
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I mean it depends on the individual artist but you know topics like this are gonna devolve into the silliest examples of each

(I'd say rappers on the whole though, by virtue of a medium that is mostly a form of musical poetry)

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DirkDiggles
09/06/21 12:26:01 PM
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rapper rockers

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:26:44 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
I mean it depends on the individual artist but you know topics like this are gonna devolve into the silliest examples of each

(I'd say rappers on the whole, though)
a single rap verse have as many words as an entire rock song...

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Greekhand
09/06/21 12:27:16 PM
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Rock is what rap failed to be...a masterpiece

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:27:33 PM
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Greekhand posted...
Rock is what rap failed to be...a masterpiece
i guess its backwards day.

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:27:47 PM
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rappers leading.

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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:28:34 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
a single rap verse have as many words as an entire rock song...

Better = more?

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:29:31 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Better = more?
in this yes

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Greekhand
09/06/21 12:29:45 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
rappers leading.

Trickfinger posted...
i guess its backwards day.
checks out

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masticatingman
09/06/21 12:30:27 PM
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Rap. But its far-and-away best examples are several steps above the normal output, which is fairly comparable with rock lyrics in terms of quality.

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:30:28 PM
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Greekhand posted...
checks out
AHAHAHA u so funnay

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/06/21 12:30:43 PM
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Shakespeare
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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:30:58 PM
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masticatingman posted...
But its far-and-away best examples are several steps above the normal output, which is fairly comparable with rock lyrics in terms of quality.
mumble rappers write more complex stanzas than pretty much any rocker.

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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:31:14 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
in this yes

really

are you sure

should I post some silly examples

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:31:43 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
really

are you sure

should I post some silly examples
you mean cherry picked outliers?


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FortuneCookie
09/06/21 12:32:13 PM
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I'm more of a rock fan, but I have to recognize the poetry of the rap genre. So many of those lyrics are on pointe.
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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:32:37 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
you mean cherry picked outliers?

I mean I don't think quantity is a good predicator of quality at all

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:33:04 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
I'm more of a rock fan, but I have to recognize the poetry of the rap genre. So many of those lyrics are on pointe.
exactly.

even the most rudimentary rapping is based on spoken word.

rock is just whatever.

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:33:26 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
I mean I don't think quantity is a good predicator of quality at all
I dont see why not unless the material is subpar

If i write an entire song with great lyrics, and you write one verse with great lyrics, objectively I'm better am i not?

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whitelynx
09/06/21 12:34:06 PM
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Winrawr
09/06/21 12:34:07 PM
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Neither. Lmao.

Most lyrics by rappers sound like they are written by a 9th grader.
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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:34:50 PM
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Winrawr posted...
Neither. Lmao.

Most lyrics by rappers sound like they are written by a 9th grader.
Most lyrics by rockers sound like they are written by a 5th grader.

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Winrawr
09/06/21 12:34:52 PM
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whitelynx posted...
If you think either of those lyrics are impressive you seriously should just read actual poetry. Jesus. That's so fucking cringe.
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Winrawr
09/06/21 12:35:16 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
Most lyrics by rockers sound like they are written by a 5th grader.
Completely agreed.
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ZevLoveDOOM
09/06/21 12:35:36 PM
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now seriously, rockers and rappers can both have good lyrics.

just depends on the artist in question...

so yeah, i aint taking sides here. lol
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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:35:43 PM
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whitelynx posted...
even someone like kanye who isnt known for being lyrical, in just inherently more lyrical than any rocker just due to the nature of the genre. his shit is either ghostwritten or freestyle but any verse has more impact than anything from rock besides a few

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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:35:56 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
I dont see why not unless the material is subpar

Most material is forgettable and not really something to write home about

It seems weird to qualify art in terms of a numbers game like this. Like this is exactly why I hate pitchfork. The ego it takes for those guys to say without any hint of irony that X album is a 6.3, literally down to a fraction of a number...

Sure, rap is 7.3x more lyrics thank rock, and therefore is 13.34% better objectively


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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:36:32 PM
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my jedgment has nothing to do with rating on a number scale..

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 12:37:38 PM
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rappers leading in a landslide

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pinky0926
09/06/21 12:39:05 PM
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Trickfinger posted...
my jedgment has nothing to do with rating on a number scale..

Your argument literally is that because rap has more lyrics than rock, it is better

Trickfinger posted...
If i write an entire song with great lyrics, and you write one verse with great lyrics, objectively I'm better am i not?

Don't you think this is weird bro

LIke just enjoy your music lol


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ZevLoveDOOM
09/06/21 12:39:50 PM
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i do get the impression that most rock listeners only care for the instrumental and the chorus tho. at least the ones i know irl... lol
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Tyranthraxus
09/06/21 12:41:17 PM
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Yeah I mean look at these lyrics how can anyone listen to this and deny it's rappers

https://youtu.be/nRkP-rplNjs

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LincolnDuncan
09/06/21 1:02:08 PM
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Sixteen bars, three verses long
Is the output of a Beatles album and one song
No disrespect to Bob Dylan
But show respect for Madvillain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYlcdYFoojc

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TheChariot
09/06/21 1:03:58 PM
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Music is like candy. It's only good once you throw away the [w]rappers.

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Supernatural
09/06/21 1:05:34 PM
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Linkin Park with Jay Z


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FurryPhilosifer
09/06/21 1:07:56 PM
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Rap has more interesting vocal sections in terms of the rhythm of the words, but in terms of the words themselves actually meaning anything, I don't think it really stands out above rock.

Just because the words have a cool flow or rhymes or rhythm or any of those poetry things, I don't think actually make them good as lyrics. But I suppose that's getting into semantics.

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DeathVelvien
09/06/21 1:07:57 PM
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As much more of a rock fan than a rap fan, rappers.

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Pandamonic
09/06/21 1:13:45 PM
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I unironically listen to hiphop for the music, the beats, whatever. I don't give a fuck about the lyrics. I care more about the flow than what they say. They can talk about whatever they want as long as the flow is right and the music is good.
I love death metal and I don't understand anything that's being said. I don't care. It fits the music and that's more important to me.
In fact, there's some really good music out there with shitty stupid lyrics, and I find that it drags the instrumental down a bit.
And so much hiphop these days has awful music so I won't listen to it, even if the lyrics are thought provoking etc. If I wanted that I'd read fucking poetry.

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Ermac
09/06/21 1:25:34 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Better = more?

id say so. Were talking lyrics here, whether the music conveys a better message is another question.

the consistency of artists who put effort into making good lyrics in rap and rock are pretty much the same

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Damn_Underscore
09/06/21 1:26:44 PM
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You can't answer this generally speaking.

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DezDroppedFreak
09/06/21 1:27:22 PM
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Literally depends what rapper and what rocker

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Trumble
09/06/21 1:28:23 PM
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They're not really comparable. I would be surprised if, generally speaking, the majority of people who are good at one, are even passable at the other. It's just two completely different skillsets, even if they have surface similarities. For much the same reason, while you can personally enjoy one or the other more, I don't really think you can compare them as such. (Now for me personally, I'll go with rap - and this is pretty much only because I don't pay much attention to lyrics in the first place, more just to the overall sound, and the vocals contribute more to this in rap IMO.)

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armandro
09/06/21 2:00:24 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Literally depends what rapper and what rocker
the best rapper vs the best rocker

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Trickfinger
09/06/21 5:33:43 PM
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Rock getting Crucified in the poll
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Hummer 2
09/06/21 5:36:02 PM
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Lil Wayne is a master of both genres
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SSJPurple
09/06/21 5:51:16 PM
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I prefer Hip-Hop so I voted rappers.

A lot of hip hop is complex spoken word poetry (or stories) over music. I also like its abrasiveness and not giving a f*** what people think or who it pisses off.

I like rock too though. I grew up on Hendrix, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath, Rush, Maiden etc. but I prefer hip hop in general.

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Pandamonic
09/06/21 5:55:42 PM
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dolomedes posted...
lol @ how close the results are when one of the genres is essentially all wordplay and the other is electric guitars
b-b-b-but rock sucks and rappers are winning and rock sucks!

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spikethedevil
09/06/21 5:57:23 PM
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Knew this would end with stupid stereotypes of each.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnnbjC7Fok

Death, hard to ignore
One million lost five months into the war

Pain, fell one by one
Three years remained, it had only begun

Unable to restore
A map redrawn
Unlike what came before
The future of warfare has dawned

Do, what must be done
Send off your son, life cut short by a gun

Gas, cover the fields
Gone with the wind, reveal lethal ideals

And as the end draws near
November dawn
With losses so severe
Cease-fire, their forces withdrawn

(choir)
Great war enter
Front and centre
Grand endeavour
Lost forever

(choir)
November 11th settling the score
From 15 to 20 million
Almost half of the dead civilian
A new world will dawn from empires fallen
The end of the war to end war

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