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whitelytning 08/15/21 10:23:38 AM #201:	Ruvan22 posted... I've read your detailed posts here (I'm still on the fence about the "best" solution) - do you feel a staggered withdrawal would have been better? Like over a two year period? Yeah. I have no problem with the concept of withdrawing. Frankly, we probably should have been working on that a while ago but I really do have a problem with how the current admin is doing it. It seems like this topic is discussed as if there is only a binary choice; either we stay there forever or we withdraw immediately. Those obviously aren't the only two choices and I think a more gradual, longer pull out, without an announced date, would have been a better option. I also think, it should be conditioned on the nation not falling into the mess that is looks to be headed. To me its a duty issue. The US put a lot of resources into Afghanistan and had a duty not to fuck it up too bad or to just walk away. Leaving like this just negates everything positive we have done there and makes all the resources wasted. It crushes the hopes of millions of people for peace and living in a place with what most consider basic human rights. --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957104632] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>I've read your detailed posts here (I'm still on the fence about the "best" solution) - do you feel a staggered withdrawal would have been better? Like over a two year period?</quote> Yeah. I have no problem with the concept of withdrawing. Frankly, we probably should have been working on that a while ago but I really do have a problem with how the current admin is doing it. It seems like this topic is discussed as if there is only a binary choice; either we stay there forever or we withdraw immediately. Those obviously aren't the only two choices and I think a more gradual, longer pull out, without an announced date, would have been a better option. I also think, it should be conditioned on the nation not falling into the mess that is looks to be headed. To me its a duty issue. The US put a lot of resources into Afghanistan and had a duty not to fuck it up too bad or to just walk away. Leaving like this just negates everything positive we have done there and makes all the resources wasted. It crushes the hopes of millions of people for peace and living in a place with what most consider basic human rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/15/21 10:25:47 AM #202:	whitelytning posted... I think a more gradual, longer pull out, without an announced date, would have been a better option. I also think, it should be conditioned on the nation not falling into the mess that is looks to be headed. How many decades would this have taken? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:957104697] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>I think a more gradual, longer pull out, without an announced date, would have been a better option. I also think, it should be conditioned on the nation not falling into the mess that is looks to be headed.</quote>How many decades would this have taken? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 08/15/21 10:28:13 AM #203:	Antifar posted... How many decades would this have taken? How ever long it takes. Why put an artificial date on something if its going to leave it all worse off? To be clear, I wouldn't want to be there for decades more but walking away prematurely is potentially worse. --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957104744] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>How many decades would this have taken?</quote> How ever long it takes. Why put an artificial date on something if its going to leave it all worse off? To be clear, I wouldn't want to be there for decades more but walking away prematurely is potentially worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coolboy11 08/15/21 10:37:06 AM #205:	nation building doesn't work example number 1,0000,987,2451,, on to the next failed nation building exercise. --- "A superhero in the flesh, even at my worst I'm the best"-Big KRIT <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:957104903] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>nation building doesn't work example number 1,0000,987,2451,, on to the next failed nation building exercise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 08/15/21 10:38:43 AM #206:	This is an apocalyptic tragedy for the people of Afghanistan. But so was the invasion. I'm not sure what could have prevented this, but more occupation wasn't it. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:957104926] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>This is an apocalyptic tragedy for the people of Afghanistan. But so was the invasion. I'm not sure what could have prevented this, but more occupation wasn't it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 08/15/21 10:41:36 AM #207:	legendary_zell posted... This is an apocalyptic tragedy for the people of Afghanistan. But so was the invasion. I'm not sure what could have prevented this, but more occupation wasn't it. Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this? --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957104975] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>legendary_zell posted... </cite> <quote>This is an apocalyptic tragedy for the people of Afghanistan. But so was the invasion. I'm not sure what could have prevented this, but more occupation wasn't it.</quote> Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 08/15/21 10:50:00 AM #208:	whitelytning posted... Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this? This was not the best way to leave, the best way to leave would have been to wage the war effectively and in a non-corrupt manner from the beginning. But that was never going to happen and we couldn't go back in time and make it happen. This is the only way it was ever going to end because the fundamentals were not improving. I'm not aware of a time that a stable, multi-ethnic, liberal democracy with rule of law, safety, and respect for human rights was built through bombing, money, and occupation from a foreign empire, thousands of miles away. I don't see any reason to think that would have materialized with more time. In the meantime, we're messing with the sovereignty of a "country", killing people, and spending billions/trillions, and sending multiple generations of soldiers over there. Continuing that wasn't a great option. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:957105132] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this?</quote> This was not the best way to leave, the best way to leave would have been to wage the war effectively and in a non-corrupt manner from the beginning. But that was never going to happen and we couldn't go back in time and make it happen. This is the only way it was ever going to end because the fundamentals were not improving. I'm not aware of a time that a stable, multi-ethnic, liberal democracy with rule of law, safety, and respect for human rights was built through bombing, money, and occupation from a foreign empire, thousands of miles away. I don't see any reason to think that would have materialized with more time. In the meantime, we're messing with the sovereignty of a "country", killing people, and spending billions/trillions, and sending multiple generations of soldiers over there. Continuing that wasn't a great option. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/15/21 10:53:54 AM #209:	Intro2Logic posted... Why should anybody, American, Afghani, or otherwise, believe that another couple Republican administrations overseeing the war is what it will take to finally win it? Arguments for extending our involvement are arguments for letting President Ron DeSantis (or a similarly loathsome figure) manage it in four or eight years' time. Did Barack Obama get erased from history? He had eight full years of being the president overseeing an ongoing war. This isn't purely a Republican war. He could have -- and should have -- called the troops back after Bin Laden's death. For the record, I'm not placing the blame solely at his feet. There's plenty to go around. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957105202] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite> <quote>Why should anybody, American, Afghani, or otherwise, believe that another couple Republican administrations overseeing the war is what it will take to finally win it? Arguments for extending our involvement are arguments for letting President Ron DeSantis (or a similarly loathsome figure) manage it in four or eight years' time.</quote> Did Barack Obama get erased from history? He had eight full years of being the president overseeing an ongoing war. This isn't purely a Republican war. He could have -- and should have -- called the troops back after Bin Laden's death. For the record, I'm not placing the blame solely at his feet. There's plenty to go around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 10:57:39 AM #210:	FortuneCookie posted... This isn't purely a Republican war Lol b0tH sIdEs GuYz --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105257] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>This isn't purely a Republican war</quote>Lol b0tH sIdEs GuYz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/15/21 11:01:44 AM #211:	whitelytning posted... How ever long it takes. Why put an artificial date on something if its going to leave it all worse off? To be clear, I wouldn't want to be there for decades more but walking away prematurely is potentially worse. You have a severe lack of understanding of the Afghanistan conflict if you think staying was a good idea. Look, I hate that things are probably going to get worse there, especially for marginalized people in the area, but outside of staying forever and/or completely breaking the will of all the tribes of people there, this was going to happen when we left. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:957105334] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote> How ever long it takes. Why put an artificial date on something if its going to leave it all worse off? To be clear, I wouldn't want to be there for decades more but walking away prematurely is potentially worse. </quote> You have a severe lack of understanding of the Afghanistan conflict if you think staying was a good idea. Look, I hate that things are probably going to get worse there, especially for marginalized people in the area, but outside of staying forever and/or completely breaking the will of all the tribes of people there, this was going to happen when we left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/15/21 11:02:18 AM #212:	Doom_Art posted... Lol b0tH sIdEs GuYz You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it? <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957105344] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Lol b0tH sIdEs GuYz</quote> You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 08/15/21 11:04:24 AM #214:	FortuneCookie posted... You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it? A very good question! --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:957105387] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it?</quote>A very good question! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/15/21 11:07:45 AM #215:	whitelytning posted... How ever long it takes. If the alternative to withdrawal is this, does that meaningfully differ from what you described as a false binary? It seems like this topic is discussed as if there is only a binary choice; either we stay there forever or we withdraw immediately --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:957105441] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>How ever long it takes.</quote>If the alternative to withdrawal is this, does that meaningfully differ from what you described as a false binary? <quote>It seems like this topic is discussed as if there is only a binary choice; either we stay there forever or we withdraw immediately</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:17:57 AM #216:	Whether it was a gradual or complete withdrawal, it wouldn't have really made a difference. Wouldn't have changed the fact that the Taliban was waiting everyone out, that the civilians there don't seem to mind them, and that the Afghan army is pathetic. Another several years slowly withdrawing would've meant nothing. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105626] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Whether it was a gradual or complete withdrawal, it wouldn't have really made a difference. Wouldn't have changed the fact that the Taliban was waiting everyone out, that the civilians there don't seem to mind them, and that the Afghan army is pathetic. Another several years slowly withdrawing would've meant nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 08/15/21 11:19:48 AM #217:	Antifar posted... If the alternative to withdrawal is this, does that meaningfully differ from what you described as a false binary? No because to me "however long it takes" doesn't necessarily mean "forever." And the "forever" response is really the one I was talking about when referring to the binary options that people want to talk about (see post 211 for example of how it usually used). My response implied that at some point in the future things would be in a better place to withdraw than doing it right now, all at once, to meet an artificial deadline. --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957105654] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>If the alternative to withdrawal is this, does that meaningfully differ from what you described as a false binary?</quote> No because to me "however long it takes" doesn't necessarily mean "forever." And the "forever" response is really the one I was talking about when referring to the binary options that people want to talk about (see post 211 for example of how it usually used). My response implied that at some point in the future things would be in a better place to withdraw than doing it right now, all at once, to meet an artificial deadline. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 08/15/21 11:19:52 AM #218:	Doom_Art posted... that the civilians there don't seem to mind them Yes, indeed. "The Afghan people actually really want Taliban rule! That makes me feel better about this terrible terrible thing that's happening." --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:957105656] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>that the civilians there don't seem to mind them</quote> Yes, indeed. "The Afghan people actually really want Taliban rule! That makes me feel better about this terrible terrible thing that's happening." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:20:42 AM #219:	WeeWeiWiiWie posted... "The Afghan people actually really want Taliban rule! That makes me feel better about this terrible terrible thing that's happening." Not remotely what I said --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105672] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>WeeWeiWiiWie posted... </cite> <quote>"The Afghan people actually really want Taliban rule! That makes me feel better about this terrible terrible thing that's happening."</quote>Not remotely what I said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 08/15/21 11:22:17 AM #220:	Doom_Art posted... Not remotely what I said The "actually they don't mind Taliban rule" is not the take you want to be making as a country gets ravaged by war crimes. Honestly fucking awful. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:957105707] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Not remotely what I said</quote> The "actually they don't mind Taliban rule" is not the take you want to be making as a country gets ravaged by war crimes. Honestly fucking awful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:25:00 AM #221:	My phrasing could have been better, sure, but I was speaking more to the fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a will among the general public to resist them. Not suggesting they'd "like" the Taliban coming back (though I'm sure that's true of some people there). "Honestly fucking awful" shut the fuck up lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105751] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>My phrasing could have been better, sure, but I was speaking more to the fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a will among the general public to resist them. Not suggesting they'd "like" the Taliban coming back (though I'm sure that's true of some people there). "Honestly fucking awful" shut the fuck up lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/15/21 11:25:35 AM #222:	FortuneCookie posted... You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it? @Doom_Art <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957105763] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>You can't alternate letters your way out of this one. Barack Obama had the longest duration of any president overseeing the war. Why didn't he stop it?</quote> @Doom_Art </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:27:21 AM #223:	Obama should have pulled out but it wasn't politically desirable for him so he was gutless and stayed in, I don't disagree. I just see you both sidesing in other topics a lot so I made fun of you --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105798] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Obama should have pulled out but it wasn't politically desirable for him so he was gutless and stayed in, I don't disagree. I just see you both sidesing in other topics a lot so I made fun of you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WeeWeiWiiWie 08/15/21 11:28:24 AM #224:	Doom_Art posted... My phrasing could have been better, sure, but I was speaking more to the fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a will among the general public to resist them. Not suggesting they'd "like" the Taliban coming back (though I'm sure that's true of some people there). "Honestly fucking awful" shut the fuck up lol It really is a fucking godawful take, seems like just missing the mark of denying a genocide, so that you can feel better about wanting the action to be taken. --- Stabilized. COVxy alt. <cite>WeeWeiWiiWie posted [p:957105822] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>My phrasing could have been better, sure, but I was speaking more to the fact that there doesn't seem to be much of a will among the general public to resist them. Not suggesting they'd "like" the Taliban coming back (though I'm sure that's true of some people there). "Honestly fucking awful" shut the fuck up lol</quote> It really is a fucking godawful take, seems like just missing the mark of denying a genocide, so that you can feel better about wanting the action to be taken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:29:12 AM #225:	WeeWeiWiiWie posted... seems like just missing the mark of denying a genocide wtf are you talking about --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105831] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>WeeWeiWiiWie posted... </cite> <quote>seems like just missing the mark of denying a genocide</quote>wtf are you talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/15/21 11:30:48 AM #226:	Doom_Art posted... Obama should have pulled out but it wasn't politically desirable for him so he was gutless and stayed in, I don't disagree. I just see you both sidesing in other topics a lot so I made fun of you Both sides are culpable. I'm not defending Trump or his fold. I'm not saying the Republican party is equal to the Democrat party or that both have the same flaws. The Republican party is coddling white supremacists and that's worse than anything going on on the left. But that doesn't make it so that one side is all evil and the other is completely spotless. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957105864] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Obama should have pulled out but it wasn't politically desirable for him so he was gutless and stayed in, I don't disagree. I just see you both sidesing in other topics a lot so I made fun of you</quote> Both sides are culpable. I'm not defending Trump or his fold. I'm not saying the Republican party is equal to the Democrat party or that both have the same flaws. The Republican party is coddling white supremacists and that's worse than anything going on on the left. But that doesn't make it so that one side is all evil and the other is completely spotless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/15/21 11:32:24 AM #227:	Eh I was unfair to you on that mark and I'm sorry bout that. It's also entirely possible I've confused you with someone else lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957105891] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Eh I was unfair to you on that mark and I'm sorry bout that. It's also entirely possible I've confused you with someone else lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/15/21 11:32:52 AM #228:	thanks <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:957105902] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>thanks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 08/15/21 11:39:05 AM #229:	Hoping we allow those who want entry to the us with entry <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:957106001] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Hoping we allow those who want entry to the us with entry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 08/15/21 11:52:22 AM #230:	CruelBuffalo posted... Hoping we allow those who want entry to the us with entry Right now Biden wants to send them to Albania --- post Edit: copy my sig <cite>teep_ posted [p:957106282] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote>Hoping we allow those who want entry to the us with entry</quote> Right now Biden wants to send them to Albania</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/15/21 11:54:03 AM #231:	Well it may have cost us 20 years, tens of thousands of human lives and trillions of dollars, but maybe the real treasure was the terrorists we made along the way. --- Thus in 2020 did Allen send forth a great flood, that destroyed the gurus and all users that lived on land, except those in azuarc. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:957106321] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Well it may have cost us 20 years, tens of thousands of human lives and trillions of dollars, but maybe the real treasure was the terrorists we made along the way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/15/21 11:59:38 AM #232:	whitelytning posted... My response implied that at some point in the future things would be in a better place to withdraw than doing it right now, all at once, to meet an artificial deadline. People have been saying that for 15 years, and still nobody can even point to the time when we can point to a time in the future when things will be in a better place. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:957106453] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>My response implied that at some point in the future things would be in a better place to withdraw than doing it right now, all at once, to meet an artificial deadline.</quote>People have been saying that for 15 years, and still nobody can even point to the time when we can point to a time in the future when things will be in a better place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 08/15/21 12:00:58 PM #233:	Antifar posted... People have been saying that for 15 years, and still nobody can even point to the time when we can point to a time in the future when things will be in a better place. Right. Because its unknown. Is the argument really that we should know the future? --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957106485] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>People have been saying that for 15 years, and still nobody can even point to the time when we can point to a time in the future when things will be in a better place.</quote> Right. Because its unknown. Is the argument really that we should know the future? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 08/15/21 12:06:57 PM #234:	we could have stayed another 20 years and this would have happened just the same --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:957106644] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>we could have stayed another 20 years and this would have happened just the same </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/15/21 12:09:47 PM #235:	whitelytning posted... Right. Because its unknown. Is the argument really that we should know the future? You have a severe lack of understanding of the issue. --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:957106712] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote> Right. Because its unknown. Is the argument really that we should know the future? </quote> You have a severe lack of understanding of the issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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whitelytning 08/15/21 12:14:45 PM #237:	shockthemonkey posted... The argument is that we should have a plan beyond perpetual war Agreed. --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957106821] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>The argument is that we should have a plan beyond perpetual war</quote> Agreed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starks 08/15/21 12:16:45 PM #238:	Military helicopter in Kabul and unconcerned commercial flights over a Taliban that might have anti-air. Just normal airspace things. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) <cite>Starks posted [p:957106861] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Military helicopter in Kabul and unconcerned commercial flights over a Taliban that might have anti-air. Just normal airspace things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Starks 08/15/21 12:32:01 PM #240:	Kabul airport reportedly under fire --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) <cite>Starks posted [p:957107252] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Kabul airport reportedly under fire</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 08/15/21 1:12:53 PM #242:	Starks posted... Kabul airport reportedly under fire I hope that UK guy makes it out okay. Maybe he can get to Pakistan and get out from there --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957108294] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Starks posted... </cite> <quote>Kabul airport reportedly under fire</quote>I hope that UK guy makes it out okay. Maybe he can get to Pakistan and get out from there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 08/15/21 10:57:43 PM #243:	whitelytning posted... Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this? thats not the reason we were there so it didnt factor in on leaving <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:957123320] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>Why not? If occupation was maintaining stability in the majority of the country and allowing businesses to operate, girls to go to schools, people to be in college or walk around in some safe areas why not? Why was it better to leave like this?</quote>thats not the reason we were there so it didnt factor in on leaving </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 08/16/21 1:51:46 AM #244:	https://i.imgur.com/RwXHMgz.jpg --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade https://imgur.com/MYYEIx5 https://imgur.com/WGE12ef <cite>solosnake posted [p:957127227] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/RwXHMgz.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 08/16/21 2:24:42 AM #245:	They didn't put up a fight at all. There is no way a terrorist group that is outnumbered 5 to 1 could take over so easily. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:957127708] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>They didn't put up a fight at all. There is no way a terrorist group that is outnumbered 5 to 1 could take over so easily. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/16/21 12:14:38 PM #246:	This seems relevant: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/16/afghanistan-history-taliban-collapse-504977 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957136724] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>This seems relevant: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/16/afghanistan-history-taliban-collapse-504977 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 08/16/21 12:53:52 PM #247:	whitelytning posted... Trump should be in prison and was the worst President we have had but he is not to blame for what is happening there today. Neither is Bush or Obama. This is all on Biden. Biden made the decision to create the vacuum that is being filled by the Taliban; no one else. He is responsible for this disaster. Lmfao, Trump negotiated the pull out before Biden was even president. Biden was able to postpone it for a few months, but he eventually had to pull out because of the prior administrations deal. But, then again you probably didnt know that. From what Ive seen you post, you dont know a lot of things lol. This is entirely on Trump, and I cant even say its partially Bidens fault because I cant think of any other way he couldve went about it --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:957137783] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>whitelytning posted... </cite> <quote>Trump should be in prison and was the worst President we have had but he is not to blame for what is happening there today. Neither is Bush or Obama. This is all on Biden. Biden made the decision to create the vacuum that is being filled by the Taliban; no one else. He is responsible for this disaster.</quote> Lmfao, Trump negotiated the pull out before Biden was even president. Biden was able to postpone it for a few months, but he eventually had to pull out because of the prior administrations deal. But, then again you probably didnt know that. From what Ive seen you post, you dont know a lot of things lol. This is entirely on Trump, and I cant even say its partially Bidens fault because I cant think of any other way he couldve went about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 08/16/21 1:11:48 PM #248:	Samurontai posted... Lmfao, Trump negotiated the pull out before Biden was even president. Biden was able to postpone it for a few months, but he eventually had to pull out because of the prior administrations deal. Biden has hit the undo button on plenty of Trump's decisions. He could've changed his mind on the date of the Pull-out and how it was going to be done. Biden has no obligation to follow any or all of Trump's decisions. Just look at the list of things he's "Un-Done" that Trump did so far, it's pretty expansive. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:957138341] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Samurontai posted... </cite> <quote>Lmfao, Trump negotiated the pull out before Biden was even president. Biden was able to postpone it for a few months, but he eventually had to pull out because of the prior administrations deal.</quote>Biden has hit the undo button on plenty of Trump's decisions. He could've changed his mind on the date of the Pull-out and how it was going to be done. Biden has no obligation to follow any or all of Trump's decisions. Just look at the list of things he's "Un-Done" that Trump did so far, it's pretty expansive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/16/21 1:16:31 PM #249:	Bush: "Mission Accomplished!" Bush's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Bush: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Obama: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Obama's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Obama: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Trump: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Trump's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Trump: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Biden: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Biden's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Biden: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957138463] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Bush: "Mission Accomplished!" Bush's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Bush: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Obama: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Obama's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Obama: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Trump: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Trump's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Trump: "we're staying in Afghanistan" Biden: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" Biden's advisors: "the afghan army is likely to fold immediately" Biden: "we're getting out of Afghanistan!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 08/16/21 1:20:30 PM #250:	Questionmarktarius posted... This seems relevant: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/16/afghanistan-history-taliban-collapse-504977 Thanks for positing. The more you read about this the more it seems there were some catastrophic intelligence failures that helped lead to such a bad decision. --- ************************************************ https://imgur.com/iZdWIKJ <cite>whitelytning posted [p:957138580] in Nobody is ... [t:79610465]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>This seems relevant: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/08/16/afghanistan-history-taliban-collapse-504977</quote> Thanks for positing. The more you read about this the more it seems there were some catastrophic intelligence failures that helped lead to such a bad decision. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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