Current Events > Nobody is talking about Afghanistan?

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They're currently controlling most of Afghanistan now

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Nice context or details of any kind.

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Afghanistan is controlling most of Afghanistan?

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CinderLock posted...

Nice context or details of any kind.

tl;dr:
Taliban ruled 95% of Afghanistan before US invasion. they got reduced to 50%, during US occupation, and now back to 90% after US left.

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NightMarishPie posted...

Afghanistan is controlling most of Afghanistan?

Big if true

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armandro posted...

Big if true

It is most definitely true.

Apparently no one taught the Afghani troops how to conduct military operations without US air support.

Donald Trumps fault.

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There have been multiple topics over the last few weeks. I've made at least 1 of them.

There's nothing much to talk about. The Taliban controls about a third of the country, the Afghani military drops and runs the moment a fight breaks out, and the central government is useless.

But hey, China invited Taliban leadership to China to discuss partnerships, so now it's China's turn to get involved in the middle east. We'll see how that goes.

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We surrendered and Taliban are mopping up

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What do you mean? The US military is the primary cause of all violence and conflict around the world. Afghanistan must be thriving now that we've left!

i still irked that so many people conflated Taliban, AlQaeda, and ISIS.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

fuck em, we are not Team America: World Police, we had no business being an occupying force there in the first place, and it was long past time for us to withdraw. if the place goes to shit, that's their problem, until and unless it gets to a point where they threaten the national security of the US.

So it's immediately a problem, given they are a terrorist group?

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DuranOfForcena posted...

do you know how many terrorist groups exist around the entire world?

is every single one of them supposed to be our problem?

Nah, you're right. Best to ignore them until they commit an attack and kill more people. I see no reason why them having full control of a country would give them greater power to harm the west more easily.

Apologies, I will think before I type next time.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

yes, glory to Neo-Imperialist America! We need to have our hands in everyone's cookie jars or else we'll never be safe! Freedom! Leaders of the free world! Everyone else are backward savages who are jealous of our Freedom!

The fuck are you on about? Your country fucked over another and has left it an utter mess and is now pulling out after decades to let it reset back to how it was. A great use of time and lives of your countrymen.

I was simply saying that the Taliban having power isn't good for anyone, America included.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

Everyone else are backward savages

That is what the Taliban is, yeah.

DuranOfForcena posted...

do you know how many terrorist groups exist around the entire world?

is every single one of them supposed to be our problem?

Yes. It literally was beginning with the Bush admin. Things have been changing though.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

you said that the instant we pull out it becomes our problem

that's fucking bullshit

we. are. not. World. Police.

It is already America's problem. The Taliban are already a global problem and aren't going away just because you let them retake the country they failed to kick them out of.

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This is pretty much what was expected to happen. There isn't a good solution here, and there wasn't a good solution from the beginning. We weren't going to be able to eliminate the Taliban 20 years ago, and the it's the same situation today.

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CableZL posted...

This is pretty much what was expected to happen. There isn't a good solution here, and there wasn't a good solution from the beginning. We weren't going to be able to eliminate the Taliban 20 years ago, and the it's the same situation today.

Ultimately this though. The whole situation is fucked and the problem isn't going away no matter what is done.

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Some problems, in fact maybe most problems, cannot be solved by the US military

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

What do you mean? The US military is the primary cause of all violence and conflict around the world. Afghanistan must be thriving now that we've left!

what a silly post

The US and Russia really did fuck up Afghanistan something fierce

but "stay forever " isnt an option

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CinderLock posted...

Nice context or details of any kind.

Instead of talking about topic, tc talked about not talking about topic

Ricemills posted...

tl;dr:
Taliban ruled 95% of Afghanistan before US invasion. they got reduced to 50%, during US occupation, and now back to 90% after US left.

So basically the war in Afghanistan solved nothing and was absolutely pointless

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The US and Russia really did fuck up Afghanistan something fierce

The civil war predates American intervention. And now that we've left the violence is increasing and the government is collapsing.

UnfairRepresent posted...

but "stay forever " isnt an option

We had like 10k troops in Afghanistan in non-combative roles. We currently have 80k in Japan and South Korea alone. This wasn't Vietnam.

Ricemills posted...

tl;dr:
Taliban ruled 95% of Afghanistan before US invasion. they got reduced to 50%, during US occupation, and now back to 90% after US left.

Also, let's not assume the Taliban was undisputed in ruling things before the U.S. invaded. The Kurds, Northern Alliance (multiple tribes), et. al. were fighting them prior to 2001.

When Afghans have not been fighting invaders, they have fought each other - especially those bastard 2 tribes over.

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How much money are we wasting keeping bases in Germany and Okinawa? Seriously need to let that WW2 **** go

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DuranOfForcena posted...

fuck em, we are not Team America: World Police, we had no business being an occupying force there in the first place, and it was long past time for us to withdraw. if the place goes to shit, that's their problem, until and unless it gets to a point where they threaten the national security of the US.

Ironic, considering US created the Taliban.

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Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

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Just let the Taliban have it. This whole fucking war is driven by racism and sunk cost fallacy and it needs to end. We lost. Get over it.

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

So basically the war in Afghanistan solved nothing and was absolutely pointless

That's the hot take.

The goal was to get bin Laden and degrade Taliban support of terrorist camps.

Bin laden was allowed to slip into Pakistan (where he met justice in 2011). The degradation was done by 2003-4. At which point we should have left. 2011 - bin Laden's death is the outside argument but that is debatable.

Everything afterwards was contractor heaven. And nation building and nave.

But I'd say getting rid of bin Laden and degrading Taliban host camps was worth the effort. We just could have done it in less than 20 years.

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DandyQuackShot posted...

How much money are we wasting keeping bases in Germany and Okinawa? Seriously need to let that WW2 **** go

those bases have nothing to do with WW2 dude.

But seriously we surrendered our bases in Afghanistan before closing and surrendering Guantanamo? That is way overdue

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Ironic, considering US created the Taliban.

ISI in Pakistan is responsible for the Taliban.

U.S. action in Iraq created ISIS.


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DandyQuackShot posted...

But seriously we surrendered our bases in Afghanistan before closing and surrendering Guantanamo? That is way overdue

Not exactly. We left everything in the hands of Afghan troops and they surrendered immediately. One might even say they probably felt the Taliban was the more worthy cause the whole time. You can't save people who don't want to be saved.

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Hopefully this inspires a peoples revolution.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Not exactly. We left everything in the hands of Afghan troops and they surrendered immediately. One might even say they probably felt the Taliban was the more worthy cause the whole time. You can't save people who don't want to be saved.

Saw the CNN reporter in Kabul and she described (so, second hand) situations where the Afghan army soldiers said "It's a job, I don't want to die" and handing over their weapons.

Biden had to go so far as to call in an airstrike on a cache of surrendered weapons in Taliban possession. Meanwhile the Taliban are willing to kill suffer and die for territory.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Not exactly. We left everything in the hands of Afghan troops and they surrendered immediately. One might even say they probably felt the Taliban was the more worthy cause the whole time. You can't save people who don't want to be saved.

So the terps we left behind without giving them appropriate time to complete their visas would probably be in disagreement there.

The US used to care about people who wanted a better life. We werent involved with Hungary back in the day but Operation Mercy saved tens of thousands of lives. Even Elvis got involved.

Today its so long suck it up buttercup. Lose your head well you shouldnt have helped us in the first place snitch.


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DandyQuackShot posted...

How much money are we wasting keeping bases in Germany and Okinawa? Seriously need to let that WW2 **** go

I am consistently amazed at the lack of knowledge of

the constitution

history

HIPAA

when discussing anything regarding the U.S. on this board.

Those bases have more to do with Russia and China, than Germany and Japan.

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Probably would have gotten fairer terms for the civilians than all of them being bottled up for mortar practice in Kabul by formally surrendering to the Taliban instead of just quitting in the middle of the night with no warning to our allies


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Shablagoo posted...

Hopefully this inspires a peoples revolution.

yeah man hopefully there are some really good progressive candidates within the Taliban

brestugo posted...

I am consistently amazed at the lack of knowledge of

the constitution

history

HIPAA

when discussing anything regarding the U.S. on this board.

Those bases have more to do with Russia and China, than Germany and Japan.

And your point is that they are all jokes.

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DandyQuackShot posted...

And your point is that they are all jokes.

No, that would be your posting. Seriously, re-read your shit. Are you high?

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

yeah man hopefully there are some really good progressive candidates within the Taliban

The hell are you talking about? What do you think a peoples revolution is?

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brestugo posted...

No, that would be your posting. Seriously, re-read your shit. Are you high?

If that would save a bunch of people from getting mass slaughtered I would smoke a peace pipe

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Whats the worst that could happen? /S

But for real we had to leave. We weren't going to fix shit.

Has it already gone to shit? Ya

I read somewhere they're already abducting 12 year old girls for sex slaves


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