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MC_BatCommander 08/07/21 12:24:20 PM #53:	I just wasn't raised in a religious household so I never had the belief from the beginning --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:956864345] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>I just wasn't raised in a religious household so I never had the belief from the beginning </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Glob 08/07/21 12:27:58 PM #54:	JimiHendrix posted... Not even close, this is absolutely normal to do and necessary to building your faith If you need faith to make it work, it doesn't really work. An appeal to faith is an admission of that. <cite>Glob posted [p:956864417] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted... </cite> <quote>Not even close, this is absolutely normal to do and necessary to building your faith</quote> If you need faith to make it work, it doesn't really work. An appeal to faith is an admission of that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/07/21 1:10:29 PM #55:	UnfairRepresent posted... theists don't have a gateway to believing the 500,000 other religions they weren't taught about this realization at a relatively young age, combined with the fact that I was only ever a "believer" in the sense that I had been too young to really think to question what I had been told. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956865403] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>theists don't have a gateway to believing the 500,000 other religions they weren't taught about </quote> this realization at a relatively young age, combined with the fact that I was only ever a "believer" in the sense that I had been too young to really think to question what I had been told.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimiHendrix 08/07/21 1:50:35 PM #56:	Glob posted... If you need faith to make it work, it doesn't really work. An appeal to faith is an admission of that. You employ faith everyday and carry doubts like any normal human would, I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now (because lets face it, what yall have described absolutely is NOT Christianity, people havent been religious for quite some time considering what you guys cite these people would believe in) but to have people to turn to those beliefs because they dislike what theyve seen? To me that hardly counts as unbiased. At least I tried a faith on for size, rejected it, and then found my own reasons fo come back to it after exploring other religions. What is the process for most atheists? Look at religion and or have a bad experience with it and then just default to the other side? How do you think Christianity caught on? Lol Then theres the whole well logically crowd who has never stepped away from logic in any form for any reason at all, not even to inspect their own lives.. the very same logic and sciences do allow for religion to exist, theyre just biased and want to exterminate it <cite>JimiHendrix posted [p:956866373] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Glob posted... </cite> <quote>If you need faith to make it work, it doesn't really work. An appeal to faith is an admission of that.</quote> You employ faith everyday and carry doubts like any normal human would, I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now (because lets face it, what yall have described absolutely is NOT Christianity, people havent been religious for quite some time considering what you guys cite these people would believe in) but to have people to turn to those beliefs because they dislike what theyve seen? To me that hardly counts as unbiased. At least I tried a faith on for size, rejected it, and then found my own reasons fo come back to it after exploring other religions. What is the process for most atheists? Look at religion and or have a bad experience with it and then just default to the other side? How do you think Christianity caught on? Lol Then theres the whole well logically crowd who has never stepped away from logic in any form for any reason at all, not even to inspect their own lives.. the very same logic and sciences do allow for religion to exist, theyre just biased and want to exterminate it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AloneIBreak 08/07/21 1:55:16 PM #57:	I sort of worked my way out of Christianity after taking some philosophy courses in college. I changed my view of what god is several times before eventually deciding that hell was dumb enough to not believe in it, then it just sort of snowballed from there. At this point I am of the opinion thats its mostly pointless to call oneself agnostic because everyone, whether they like it or not, is agnostic. For all practical purposes Im an atheist. God may exist, but theres no good reason to take any existing religion seriously as far as the details are concerned and I think gods existence is unlikely. --- CE's friendly neighborhood rationalist. <cite>AloneIBreak posted [p:956866480] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>I sort of worked my way out of Christianity after taking some philosophy courses in college. I changed my view of what god is several times before eventually deciding that hell was dumb enough to not believe in it, then it just sort of snowballed from there. At this point I am of the opinion thats its mostly pointless to call oneself agnostic because everyone, whether they like it or not, is agnostic. For all practical purposes Im an atheist. God may exist, but theres no good reason to take any existing religion seriously as far as the details are concerned and I think gods existence is unlikely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MushroomMuncher 08/07/21 2:08:41 PM #58:	JimiHendrix posted... I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now Atheism is nowhere close to mainstream and definitely not the norm, According to Pew Research, Atheism is still the lowest populated belief system in the US. Even Agnosticism is higher (albeit slightly) --- Do I look like I know what a jpeg is <cite>MushroomMuncher posted [p:956866835] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted... </cite> <quote>I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now</quote>Atheism is nowhere close to mainstream and definitely not the norm, According to Pew Research, Atheism is still the lowest populated belief system in the US. Even Agnosticism is higher (albeit slightly) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Machete 08/07/21 2:17:30 PM #60:	JimiHendrix posted... You employ faith everyday and carry doubts like any normal human would, I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now (because lets face it, what yall have described absolutely is NOT Christianity, people havent been religious for quite some time considering what you guys cite these people would believe in) but to have people to turn to those beliefs because they dislike what theyve seen? To me that hardly counts as unbiased. At least I tried a faith on for size, rejected it, and then found my own reasons fo come back to it after exploring other religions. What is the process for most atheists? Look at religion and or have a bad experience with it and then just default to the other side? How do you think Christianity caught on? Lol Then theres the whole well logically crowd who has never stepped away from logic in any form for any reason at all, not even to inspect their own lives.. the very same logic and sciences do allow for religion to exist, theyre just biased and want to exterminate it This post doesn't really hold up though. You're using the term faith too loosely and trying to over-simplify what you're actually discussing. "Everyday faith" is more a combination of hope and trust, with hope applying to things uncontrollable (one doesn't have faith in the desired outcome so much as one hopes for it because it is the desired outcome) and trust applying to circumstances where a degree of control can apply or be made to apply (one doesn't have faith that someone will make the desired decision so much as one trusts that they will see it as the right decision and will choose it as such). People tend to turn to beliefs that reflect their own experiences so those who choose religion are often predisposed to it, albeit in some cases subconsciously and/or through outside influences they may not even realize. For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist. That sort of thing just does not happen. An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there. As for the last 2 paragraphs, well that is all hypergeneralization and over-simplification to an asinine degree, and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes, and should get you wrotten off as simply low effort trolling... but your first paragraph has enough substance to rule that out, and suggests that your views on atheism and agnosticism as genuine, though misguided. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956867037] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted...</cite> <quote> You employ faith everyday and carry doubts like any normal human would, I know aetheism became mainstream and is the norm now (because lets face it, what yall have described absolutely is NOT Christianity, people havent been religious for quite some time considering what you guys cite these people would believe in) but to have people to turn to those beliefs because they dislike what theyve seen? To me that hardly counts as unbiased. At least I tried a faith on for size, rejected it, and then found my own reasons fo come back to it after exploring other religions. What is the process for most atheists? Look at religion and or have a bad experience with it and then just default to the other side? How do you think Christianity caught on? Lol Then theres the whole well logically crowd who has never stepped away from logic in any form for any reason at all, not even to inspect their own lives.. the very same logic and sciences do allow for religion to exist, theyre just biased and want to exterminate it </quote> This post doesn't really hold up though. You're using the term faith too loosely and trying to over-simplify what you're actually discussing. "Everyday faith" is more a combination of hope and trust, with hope applying to things uncontrollable (one doesn't have faith in the desired outcome so much as one hopes for it because it is the desired outcome) and trust applying to circumstances where a degree of control can apply or be made to apply (one doesn't have faith that someone will make the desired decision so much as one trusts that they will see it as the right decision and will choose it as such). People tend to turn to beliefs that reflect their own experiences so those who choose religion are often predisposed to it, albeit in some cases subconsciously and/or through outside influences they may not even realize. For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist. That sort of thing just does not happen. An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there. As for the last 2 paragraphs, well that is all hypergeneralization and over-simplification to an asinine degree, and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes, and should get you wrotten off as simply low effort trolling... but your first paragraph has enough substance to rule that out, and suggests that your views on atheism and agnosticism as genuine, though misguided.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 08/07/21 2:18:49 PM #61:	Around 10 years old I began to fear death. I started to realize nobody really had any evidence of an afterlife. Frankly, I would rather believe. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:956867058] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Around 10 years old I began to fear death. I started to realize nobody really had any evidence of an afterlife. Frankly, I would rather believe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimiHendrix 08/07/21 2:19:20 PM #62:	Machete posted... This post doesn't really hold up though. You're using the term faith too loosely and trying to over-simplify what you're actually discussing. "Everyday faith" is more a combination of hope and trust, with hope applying to things uncontrollable (one doesn't have faith in the desired outcome so much as one hopes for it because it is the desired outcome) and trust applying to circumstances where a degree of control can apply or be made to apply (one doesn't have faith that someone will make the desired decision so much as one trusts that they will see it as the right decision and will choose it as such). People tend to turn to beliefs that reflect their own experiences so those who choose religion are often predisposed to it, albeit in some cases subconsciously and/or through outside influences they may not even realize. For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist. That sort of thing just does not happen. An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there. As for the last 2 paragraphs, well that is all hypergeneralization and over-simplification to an asinine degree, and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes, and should get you wrotten off as simply low effort trolling... but your first paragraph has enough substance to rule that out, and suggests that your views on atheism and agnosticism as genuine, though misguided. You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it <cite>JimiHendrix posted [p:956867079] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>This post doesn't really hold up though. You're using the term faith too loosely and trying to over-simplify what you're actually discussing. "Everyday faith" is more a combination of hope and trust, with hope applying to things uncontrollable (one doesn't have faith in the desired outcome so much as one hopes for it because it is the desired outcome) and trust applying to circumstances where a degree of control can apply or be made to apply (one doesn't have faith that someone will make the desired decision so much as one trusts that they will see it as the right decision and will choose it as such). People tend to turn to beliefs that reflect their own experiences so those who choose religion are often predisposed to it, albeit in some cases subconsciously and/or through outside influences they may not even realize. For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist. That sort of thing just does not happen. An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there. As for the last 2 paragraphs, well that is all hypergeneralization and over-simplification to an asinine degree, and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes, and should get you wrotten off as simply low effort trolling... but your first paragraph has enough substance to rule that out, and suggests that your views on atheism and agnosticism as genuine, though misguided.</quote> You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/07/21 2:19:23 PM #63:	Some time by middle school or high school I just came to the conclusion that it didn't make sense. My mom took me to the occasional church event (usually around Christmas) and both my parents were religious, though my dad was more subtle about it. Just... never really appealed to me. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:956867081] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Some time by middle school or high school I just came to the conclusion that it didn't make sense. My mom took me to the occasional church event (usually around Christmas) and both my parents were religious, though my dad was more subtle about it. Just... never really appealed to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 08/07/21 2:25:27 PM #64:	JimiHendrix posted... You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it Which parts are being grossly exaggerated? --- sTrOM ThuRmONd!!! <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:956867222] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted... </cite> <quote>You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it</quote>Which parts are being grossly exaggerated? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MushroomMuncher 08/07/21 2:36:30 PM #65:	Machete posted... An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there. So what you're really saying is atheists who convert after a near death experience aren't real atheists because they were "influenced" by nearly dying and seeing something. "This isn't the deep dark void of nothing I was promised" --- Do I look like I know what a jpeg is <cite>MushroomMuncher posted [p:956867540] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>An atheist who converts to a literal fore and brimstone fundamentalist christian after a near death experience involving fire, equating to hell by the association of the experience, is influenced by said association because there was a predisposition there.</quote>So what you're really saying is atheists who convert after a near death experience aren't real atheists because they were "influenced" by nearly dying and seeing something. "This isn't the deep dark void of nothing I was promised" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/07/21 3:01:30 PM #66:	JimiHendrix posted... You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it I would absolutely apply to atheism, of doing so was valid... only, I don't see examples where it is that are actually genuine examples. "I used to be christian but then I became atheist because <bad thing happened> and therefore either god doesn't exist or god sucks for making/letting that happen" is the most obvious one, but that's the meme shit I was talkkng about. People who genuinely turn to atheism over something like that sit at the kids' table and I wouldn't even engage there. You and I are not talking kids' table stuff here. "Makes your post absolutely moot" would not even be an effective way to ignore the portions of it that you don't want to address, even if you could make any sort of case to call it moot, which you can't. What did people say about christianity that is or isn't exaggerated and what do you assume I think about any posts in this topic that are not the posts I directly responded to? That half italicized question is presumptuous beyond description. Stick to my actual post. I wouldn't say to you: "You really looked at this topic and said jesus is literally the doorknob for my parents' upstairs bathroom door and sings michael jackson songs on a loop at 2:37 am every night.?" If I did, it would be equally ridiculous and presumptuous as the question you randomly threw in my dorection here for no reason at all. It isn't over-complicating to properly define context of words. Reducing words down to conveniently equate the psychology of everyday mundane and near-automatic occurrances in human nature to an active choice to subscribe to a specific religious belief system (whichever one might choose) is silly and again, excessively simplified. I don't really know what to call it when you counter "you're overly simplifying" with "no, you're overly complicating!" but that's... interesting I guess. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956868244] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted...</cite> <quote> You would never apply this reasoning to atheism lol which makes your post absolutely moot You really looked at this topic and said what people say about Christianity isnt grossly exaggerated? Also, my definition of faith doesnt come from Christianity, it comes from a dissatisfaction of people over complicating things through the use of what they deem is more accurate terminology. If you reduce words down, basically what youre left with IS faith/hope/whatever youd like to call it </quote> I would absolutely apply to atheism, of doing so was valid... only, I don't see examples where it is that are actually genuine examples. "I used to be christian but then I became atheist because <bad thing happened> and therefore either god doesn't exist or god sucks for making/letting that happen" is the most obvious one, but that's the meme shit I was talkkng about. People who genuinely turn to atheism over something like that sit at the kids' table and I wouldn't even engage there. You and I are not talking kids' table stuff here. "Makes your post absolutely moot" would not even be an effective way to ignore the portions of it that you don't want to address, even if you could make any sort of case to call it moot, which you can't. What did people say about christianity that is or isn't exaggerated and what do you assume I think about any posts in this topic that are not the posts I directly responded to? That half italicized question is presumptuous beyond description. Stick to my actual post. I wouldn't say to you: "You really looked at this topic and said jesus is literally the doorknob for my parents' upstairs bathroom door and sings michael jackson songs on a loop at 2:37 am every night.?" If I did, it would be equally ridiculous and presumptuous as the question you randomly threw in my dorection here for no reason at all. It isn't over-complicating to properly define context of words. Reducing words down to conveniently equate the psychology of everyday mundane and near-automatic occurrances in human nature to an active choice to subscribe to a specific religious belief system (whichever one might choose) is silly and again, excessively simplified. I don't really know what to call it when you counter "you're overly simplifying" with "no, you're overly complicating!" but that's... interesting I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/07/21 3:04:18 PM #67:	MushroomMuncher posted... So what you're really saying is atheists who convert after a near death experience aren't real atheists because they were "influenced" by nearly dying and seeing something. "This isn't the deep dark void of nothing I was promised" What do you mean by "really" in that question? --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956868313] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>MushroomMuncher posted...</cite> <quote> So what you're really saying is atheists who convert after a near death experience aren't real atheists because they were "influenced" by nearly dying and seeing something. "This isn't the deep dark void of nothing I was promised" </quote> What do you mean by "really" in that question?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AwesomeFawful 08/07/21 3:15:34 PM #68:	Religious people made me hate religion. --- "Socialism is when the government does stuff, and it's more socialism the more stuff it does, and when it does a real lot of stuff, that's communism!" <cite>AwesomeFawful posted [p:956868581] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Religious people made me hate religion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 08/07/21 3:33:44 PM #69:	PokemonExpert44 posted... Jesus never taught about controlling anyone. That has nothing to do with my post. MushroomMuncher posted... Atheism is nowhere close to mainstream and definitely not the norm, According to Pew Research, Atheism is still the lowest populated belief system in the US. Even Agnosticism is higher (albeit slightly) Also this, at most you have a lot of Christians who are irreligious. Christian by name but not by "practice". Atheism is still in the minority in the US. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:956869005] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>PokemonExpert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus never taught about controlling anyone.</quote> That has nothing to do with my post. MushroomMuncher posted... </cite> <quote>Atheism is nowhere close to mainstream and definitely not the norm, According to Pew Research, Atheism is still the lowest populated belief system in the US. Even Agnosticism is higher (albeit slightly)</quote> Also this, at most you have a lot of Christians who are irreligious. Christian by name but not by "practice". Atheism is still in the minority in the US. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 08/07/21 3:49:40 PM #70:	Not to be flippant, but God went the way of Santa Clause for me around the same time I stopped truly believing in all those things. They stayed alive in my imagination for a few more years, in a playful what if? kind of way... but to me, the Bible always seemed more like a story book than a history book. Sorry to be blunt. That's just how I categorized it as a kid. --- Thus in 2020 did Allen send forth a great flood, that destroyed the gurus and all users that lived on land, except those in azuarc. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:956869344] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Not to be flippant, but God went the way of Santa Clause for me around the same time I stopped truly believing in all those things. They stayed alive in my imagination for a few more years, in a playful what if? kind of way... but to me, the Bible always seemed more like a story book than a history book. Sorry to be blunt. That's just how I categorized it as a kid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MushroomMuncher 08/07/21 3:52:09 PM #71:	Machete posted... What do you mean by "really" in that question? No True Scotsman --- Do I look like I know what a jpeg is <cite>MushroomMuncher posted [p:956869405] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>What do you mean by "really" in that question?</quote>No True Scotsman </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 08/07/21 3:56:47 PM #72:	When I tripped on shrooms I came to the realization the only reason I still considered myself a Muslim at that point was because I was afraid of hell, tripping helped me let go of my fear and accept I didnt really find religious doctrine to be plausible, it felt like a huge burden was taken off my shoulders afterwards. --- Each night, when I go to sleep, I die. <cite>David1988 posted [p:956869526] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>When I tripped on shrooms I came to the realization the only reason I still considered myself a Muslim at that point was because I was afraid of hell, tripping helped me let go of my fear and accept I didnt really find religious doctrine to be plausible, it felt like a huge burden was taken off my shoulders afterwards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 08/07/21 4:10:47 PM #73:	Not sure how you could be Christian after finding out about the concept of biblical canon. --- #Riot2020 Eat The Rich <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:956869847] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Not sure how you could be Christian after finding out about the concept of biblical canon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/07/21 4:21:37 PM #74:	MushroomMuncher posted... No True Scotsman I don't know what that means --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956870111] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>MushroomMuncher posted...</cite> <quote> No True Scotsman </quote> I don't know what that means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njolk 08/07/21 4:33:22 PM #75:	Lol at the Christian defending magic itt --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever <cite>Njolk posted [p:956870423] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Lol at the Christian defending magic itt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 08/07/21 4:38:20 PM #76:	I was raised Christian and I realized at 11 that I didn't have any faith in anything being taught to me. I went online and started researching other religious beliefs and came to the conclusion that religion is inherently just a method to explain what we don't currently understand and it is nonsensical to me to have faith in any of them. You believe in the Catholic God and that's fine. You believe in the Sun God Ra and you're seen as a loon. One is acceptable due to the fact what it explains is not yet explained by science while the other... I mean, there is no sun God. We basically know how the sun works. So it is ridiculous to believe there is some figure beyond us that controls the sun. I went through my times of being an asshole about it and trying to "educate" people but now I just talk with people if they want to and try not to be judgemental. I do call out Bible literalists cause that shit is dangerous and ridiculous. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:956870559] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>I was raised Christian and I realized at 11 that I didn't have any faith in anything being taught to me. I went online and started researching other religious beliefs and came to the conclusion that religion is inherently just a method to explain what we don't currently understand and it is nonsensical to me to have faith in any of them. You believe in the Catholic God and that's fine. You believe in the Sun God Ra and you're seen as a loon. One is acceptable due to the fact what it explains is not yet explained by science while the other... I mean, there is no sun God. We basically know how the sun works. So it is ridiculous to believe there is some figure beyond us that controls the sun. I went through my times of being an asshole about it and trying to "educate" people but now I just talk with people if they want to and try not to be judgemental. I do call out Bible literalists cause that shit is dangerous and ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 08/07/21 4:43:15 PM #77:	Prestoff posted... That has nothing to do with my post. Also this, at most you have a lot of Christians who are irreligious. Christian by name but not by "practice". Atheism is still in the minority in the US. Yes, it actually does. You said religion is meant to control people. Jesus would be ashamed of you. --- I just might 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my awesome teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:956870697] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Prestoff posted... </cite> <quote>That has nothing to do with my post. Also this, at most you have a lot of Christians who are irreligious. Christian by name but not by "practice". Atheism is still in the minority in the US.</quote>Yes, it actually does. You said religion is meant to control people. Jesus would be ashamed of you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 08/07/21 4:45:00 PM #78:	PokemonExpert44 posted... Yes, it actually does. You said religion is meant to control people. Jesus would be ashamed of you. It is not, Jesus and religion are not mutually exclusive. You can still believe in Jesus and follow his teachings without following a religion. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:956870741] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>PokemonExpert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, it actually does. You said religion is meant to control people. Jesus would be ashamed of you.</quote> It is not, Jesus and religion are not mutually exclusive. You can still believe in Jesus and follow his teachings without following a religion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 08/07/21 4:46:41 PM #79:	Prestoff posted... It is not, Jesus and religion are not mutually exclusive. You can still believe in Jesus and follow his teachings without following a religion. I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not. --- I just might 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my awesome teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:956870801] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Prestoff posted... </cite> <quote>It is not, Jesus and religion are not mutually exclusive. You can still believe in Jesus and follow his teachings without following a religion.</quote>I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 08/07/21 4:48:44 PM #80:	PokemonExpert44 posted... I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not. Depends on what time period we are looking at. Remember that time when the King of England literally changed the official religion for his entire empire cause he wanted to do something different from what the Pope was cool with? To deny that religion has not been used to control people throughout history is false and suggesting those vestiges still don't exist in some ways is also false. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:956870868] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>PokemonExpert44 posted... </cite> <quote>I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not.</quote> Depends on what time period we are looking at. Remember that time when the King of England literally changed the official religion for his entire empire cause he wanted to do something different from what the Pope was cool with? To deny that religion has not been used to control people throughout history is false and suggesting those vestiges still don't exist in some ways is also false. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rhylos 08/07/21 4:50:05 PM #81:	As a kid I thought church was the most boring waste of time every sunday; I would fight kick scream every sunday morning while my mom dragged me there. It was just a cycle of sit stand kneel while listening/singing with an old fart who was basically telling everyone not to be dicks to each other. In my entire kid and adult life not once have I ever had a positive experience with going to church. <cite>Rhylos posted [p:956870904] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>As a kid I thought church was the most boring waste of time every sunday; I would fight kick scream every sunday morning while my mom dragged me there. It was just a cycle of sit stand kneel while listening/singing with an old fart who was basically telling everyone not to be dicks to each other. In my entire kid and adult life not once have I ever had a positive experience with going to church. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 08/07/21 4:55:44 PM #82:	Always just seemed like a silly notion to me from a pretty early age. Just always thought of it as a pretty falsehood people tell themselves to feel better imo --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:956871069] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Always just seemed like a silly notion to me from a pretty early age. Just always thought of it as a pretty falsehood people tell themselves to feel better imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garlands_Soul 08/07/21 4:56:38 PM #83:	Religious people just creeped me out as a kid. Didn't want to be any part of that --- "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" <cite>Garlands_Soul posted [p:956871094] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Religious people just creeped me out as a kid. Didn't want to be any part of that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 08/07/21 5:21:43 PM #84:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Depends on what time period we are looking at. Remember that time when the King of England literally changed the official religion for his entire empire cause he wanted to do something different from what the Pope was cool with? To deny that religion has not been used to control people throughout history is false and suggesting those vestiges still don't exist in some ways is also false. Religion has done more good than bad. --- I just might 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my awesome teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:956871765] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... </cite> <quote>Depends on what time period we are looking at. Remember that time when the King of England literally changed the official religion for his entire empire cause he wanted to do something different from what the Pope was cool with? To deny that religion has not been used to control people throughout history is false and suggesting those vestiges still don't exist in some ways is also false.</quote>Religion has done more good than bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimiHendrix 08/07/21 5:22:30 PM #85:	Machete posted... For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist. You say this, but don't know this - I know this because: Machete posted... That sort of thing just does not happen. Right >_> Machete posted... and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes UnfairRepresent posted... My mom's birth canal when I was born Religion is taught, theres no gateway to not being told to believe some crap Same way theists don't have a gateway to believing the 500,000 other religions they weren't taught about littlebro07 posted... I saw how hateful and stupid a huge amount of fellow religious folks were and no longer wanted to be affiliated with those people Mearcstapa posted... One day, it occurred to me that its really a bit absurd that someone might go to hell for eating meat on a Friday during Lent. KeeperOfShadows posted... I've just never been one for blind faith. I can't believe in something I don't know for a fact is there. Most of my family is very religious, but all going to church did was make me more skeptical. I'm supposed to worship some deity nobody's actually seen, or go to Hell? This "God" sounds like a petty, self-absorbed a**** imo. How does that encourage faith? <cite>JimiHendrix posted [p:956871784] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Machete posted... </cite> <quote>For example, you won't find a native in the Amazon rainforest who has never even been alerted to the existence of outisde cultures suddenly developing an interest in christianity or islam without having ever learned they exist.</quote> You say this, but don't know this - I know this because: Machete posted... </cite> <quote>That sort of thing just does not happen.</quote> Right >_> Machete posted... </cite> <quote>and it suggests that your perspective of the people you disagree with in this conversation comes exclusively from memes</quote> UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>My mom's birth canal when I was born Religion is taught, theres no gateway to not being told to believe some crap Same way theists don't have a gateway to believing the 500,000 other religions they weren't taught about</quote> littlebro07 posted... </cite> <quote>I saw how hateful and stupid a huge amount of fellow religious folks were and no longer wanted to be affiliated with those people</quote> Mearcstapa posted... </cite> <quote>One day, it occurred to me that its really a bit absurd that someone might go to hell for eating meat on a Friday during Lent.</quote> KeeperOfShadows posted... </cite> <quote>I've just never been one for blind faith. I can't believe in something I don't know for a fact is there. Most of my family is very religious, but all going to church did was make me more skeptical. I'm supposed to worship some deity nobody's actually seen, or go to Hell? This "God" sounds like a petty, self-absorbed a**** imo. How does that encourage faith?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimiHendrix 08/07/21 5:22:37 PM #86:	Flockaveli posted... Not gonna worship someone who makes so many people miserable. FaceThePain posted... I was young, maybe around 10years old, and i realized that if there was a god, they wouldn't let children be raped and killed and let the murderer/rapist go free. So either god was evil, or nothing above exists, so i chose to believe in nothing. Njolk posted... ok, you're right, have fun with your Santa for adults hockeybub89 posted... It doesn't make any logical sense. lilORANG posted... Literally just common sense. I was raised in a religious household but one day it just clicked that magic isn't real and this is all just magic and why tf would anyone believe this? Take your pick, mind you CE labels itself as a paradigm of thought for the internet that bests the average normie I don't these are just 'memes' Machete posted... What did people say about christianity that is or isn't exaggerated and what do you assume I think about any posts in this topic that are not the posts I directly responded to? That half italicized question is presumptuous beyond description. Stick to my actual post. I wouldn't say to you: "You really looked at this topic and said jesus is literally the doorknob for my parents' upstairs bathroom door and sings michael jackson songs on a loop at 2:37 am every night.?" If I did, it would be equally ridiculous and presumptuous as the question you randomly threw in my dorection here for no reason at all. You practically did in your initial post in the last paragraph sans the nod to the first part of my post -- I don't bother addressing the post because what you offer is this idea that what people believe is some sort of 'meme' when it's the real reality of the discussion we're even having -- people absolutely do NOT make any type of effort to understand something they are unfamiliar with. What you have are a group of people who are essentially labeling Germans as Nazi's in the 21st century for the experiences people faced years before.. and this includes the people who bring up kings and religious imperialism as a reason to not like faith based religion. How do you make a dent in that when you sit on the greatest sham known to man: this idea that logic is not some kind of dogma which apparently features this idea that we have discovered every possible discovery and thus can rule out religion and somehow ignore the laws of the world itself (conservation of mass = reincarnation if you didn't know) in between that It's absolutely ridiculous <cite>JimiHendrix posted [p:956871787] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Flockaveli posted... </cite> <quote>Not gonna worship someone who makes so many people miserable.</quote> FaceThePain posted... </cite> <quote>I was young, maybe around 10years old, and i realized that if there was a god, they wouldn't let children be raped and killed and let the murderer/rapist go free. So either god was evil, or nothing above exists, so i chose to believe in nothing.</quote> Njolk posted... </cite> <quote>ok, you're right, have fun with your Santa for adults</quote> hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't make any logical sense.</quote> lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>Literally just common sense. I was raised in a religious household but one day it just clicked that magic isn't real and this is all just magic and why tf would anyone believe this?</quote> Take your pick, mind you CE labels itself as a paradigm of thought for the internet that bests the average normie I don't these are just 'memes' Machete posted... </cite> <quote>What did people say about christianity that is or isn't exaggerated and what do you assume I think about any posts in this topic that are not the posts I directly responded to? That half italicized question is presumptuous beyond description. Stick to my actual post. I wouldn't say to you: "You really looked at this topic and said jesus is literally the doorknob for my parents' upstairs bathroom door and sings michael jackson songs on a loop at 2:37 am every night.?" If I did, it would be equally ridiculous and presumptuous as the question you randomly threw in my dorection here for no reason at all.</quote> You practically did in your initial post in the last paragraph sans the nod to the first part of my post -- I don't bother addressing the post because what you offer is this idea that what people believe is some sort of 'meme' when it's the real reality of the discussion we're even having -- people absolutely do NOT make any type of effort to understand something they are unfamiliar with. What you have are a group of people who are essentially labeling Germans as Nazi's in the 21st century for the experiences people faced years before.. and this includes the people who bring up kings and religious imperialism as a reason to not like faith based religion. How do you make a dent in that when you sit on the greatest sham known to man: this idea that logic is not some kind of dogma which apparently features this idea that we have discovered every possible discovery and thus can rule out religion and somehow ignore the laws of the world itself (conservation of mass = reincarnation if you didn't know) in between that It's absolutely ridiculous </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 08/07/21 6:45:50 PM #87:	PokemonExpert44 posted... I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not. Control can be used for both good and bad. I just see it as a product of its time. Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I went through my times of being an asshole about it and trying to "educate" people but now I just talk with people if they want to and try not to be judgemental. Yep, I also went through my edgy atheist days back in college as well, but now it's just something I'll share and if people want to debate I always try not to be the one who throws the first punch. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:956873849] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>PokemonExpert44 posted... </cite> <quote>I never said otherwise. You said religion was put here to control people. It's not.</quote> Control can be used for both good and bad. I just see it as a product of its time. Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... </cite> <quote>I went through my times of being an asshole about it and trying to "educate" people but now I just talk with people if they want to and try not to be judgemental.</quote> Yep, I also went through my edgy atheist days back in college as well, but now it's just something I'll share and if people want to debate I always try not to be the one who throws the first punch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 08/07/21 7:39:10 PM #88:	JimiHendrix posted... Take your pick, mind you CE labels itself as a paradigm of thought for the internet that bests the average normie I don't these are just 'memes' You practically did in your initial post in the last paragraph sans the nod to the first part of my post -- I don't bother addressing the post because what you offer is this idea that what people believe is some sort of 'meme' when it's the real reality of the discussion we're even having -- people absolutely do NOT make any type of effort to understand something they are unfamiliar with. What you have are a group of people who are essentially labeling Germans as Nazi's in the 21st century for the experiences people faced years before.. and this includes the people who bring up kings and religious imperialism as a reason to not like faith based religion. How do you make a dent in that when you sit on the greatest sham known to man: this idea that logic is not some kind of dogma which apparently features this idea that we have discovered every possible discovery and thus can rule out religion and somehow ignore the laws of the world itself (conservation of mass = reincarnation if you didn't know) in between that It's absolutely ridiculous First off how does mass not being able to be created or destroyed equal reincarnation? Second, the whole point of this topic is for people familiar with religion to explain why the left it. You're taking it to personally. You also seem to be in denial that there are a ton of religious assholes in the world turning people off from their beliefs. --- sTrOM ThuRmONd!!! <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:956875177] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>JimiHendrix posted... </cite> <quote>Take your pick, mind you CE labels itself as a paradigm of thought for the internet that bests the average normie I don't these are just 'memes' You practically did in your initial post in the last paragraph sans the nod to the first part of my post -- I don't bother addressing the post because what you offer is this idea that what people believe is some sort of 'meme' when it's the real reality of the discussion we're even having -- people absolutely do NOT make any type of effort to understand something they are unfamiliar with. What you have are a group of people who are essentially labeling Germans as Nazi's in the 21st century for the experiences people faced years before.. and this includes the people who bring up kings and religious imperialism as a reason to not like faith based religion. How do you make a dent in that when you sit on the greatest sham known to man: this idea that logic is not some kind of dogma which apparently features this idea that we have discovered every possible discovery and thus can rule out religion and somehow ignore the laws of the world itself (conservation of mass = reincarnation if you didn't know) in between that It's absolutely ridiculous</quote>First off how does mass not being able to be created or destroyed equal reincarnation? Second, the whole point of this topic is for people familiar with religion to explain why the left it. You're taking it to personally. You also seem to be in denial that there are a ton of religious assholes in the world turning people off from their beliefs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/08/21 12:28:50 AM #89:	I didn't say anything about 'meme' in my first post, just my next one, and it was directed at a very specific type of atheistic thinking. The rest of your post with all of the talk about nazis... I don't know what psychedlic substance(s) you've taken that dragged you into that bizarre tangent, but the whole thing has nothing at all to do with the conversation. That is blatant trolling and it is offensive to bring stuff like that up when it has nothing to do with what is being spoken about here. Why you would do that when you have bad stuff on the histories of 3 accounts is beyond me, but you lost any benefit of any doubt that I extended you only because you were fun in jackbox a few times. You don't want to actually discuss anything on the topic at hand. Okay. That's that. --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956882179] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>I didn't say anything about 'meme' in my first post, just my next one, and it was directed at a very specific type of atheistic thinking. The rest of your post with all of the talk about nazis... I don't know what psychedlic substance(s) you've taken that dragged you into that bizarre tangent, but the whole thing has nothing at all to do with the conversation. That is blatant trolling and it is offensive to bring stuff like that up when it has nothing to do with what is being spoken about here. Why you would do that when you have bad stuff on the histories of 3 accounts is beyond me, but you lost any benefit of any doubt that I extended you only because you were fun in jackbox a few times. You don't want to actually discuss anything on the topic at hand. Okay. That's that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 08/08/21 12:30:51 AM #90:	Discover every possible discovery I like that. <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:956882232] in For all th... [t:79602558]...</cite> <quote>Discover every possible discovery I like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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