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ZannoL 07/30/21 9:48:29 AM #1:	Are you concerned about all this? Yes No Are you concerned about all this? - Results (102 votes) Yes 58.82% (60 votes) 60 No 41.18% (42 votes) 42 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the director of the agency, acknowledged on Tuesday that vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant carry just as much virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated people, and may spread it just as readily, if less often. But the internal document lays out a broader and even grimmer view of the variant. The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. The immediate next step for the agency is to acknowledge the war has changed, the document said. Its contents were first reported by The Washington Post on Thursday evening. The documents tone reflects alarm among C.D.C. scientists about Deltas spread across the country, said a federal official who has seen the research described in the document. The agency is expected to publish additional data on the variant on Friday. The C.D.C. is very concerned with the data coming in that Delta is a very serious threat that requires action now, the official said. There were 71,000 new cases per day on average in the United States, as of Thursday. The new data suggest that vaccinated people are spreading the virus and contributing to those numbers although probably to a far lesser degree than the unvaccinated. Dr. Walensky has called transmission by vaccinated people a rare event, but other scientists have suggested it may be more common than once thought. The agencys new masking guidelines for vaccinated people, introduced on Tuesday, were based on the information presented in the document. The C.D.C. recommended that vaccinated people wear masks indoors in public settings in communities with high transmission of the virus. But the internal document hints that even that recommendation may not go far enough. Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential, the document said. The agencys data suggest that people with weak immune systems should wear masks even in places that do not have high transmission of the virus. So should vaccinated Americans who are in contact with young children, older adults, or otherwise vulnerable people. There are roughly 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans, according to data collected by the C.D.C. as of July 24 that was cited in the internal presentation. But the agency does not track all mild or asymptomatic infections, so the actual incidence may be higher. Infection with the Delta variant produces virus amounts in the airways that are tenfold higher than what is seen in people infected with the Alpha variant, which is also highly contagious, the document noted. The amount of virus in a person infected with Delta is a thousandfold more than what is seen in people infected with the original version of the virus, according to one recent study. ... Infection with the Delta variant may be more likely to lead to severe illness, the document noted. Studies from Canada and Scotland found that people infected with the variant are more likely to be hospitalized, while research in Singapore indicated that they are more likely to require oxygen. Still, the C.D.C.s figures show that the vaccines are highly effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death in vaccinated people, experts said. Overall, Delta is the troubling variant we already knew it was, said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. But the sky isnt falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes. <cite>ZannoL posted [p:956606730] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote> Are you concerned about all this? Yes No Vote View Results Are you concerned about all this? - Results (102 votes) Yes 58.82% (60 votes) 60 No 41.18% (42 votes) 42 Show Voting Form https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html <quote>The Delta variant is much more contagious, more likely to break through protections afforded by the vaccines and may cause more severe disease than all other known versions of the virus, according to an internal presentation circulated within the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the director of the agency, acknowledged on Tuesday that vaccinated people with so-called breakthrough infections of the Delta variant carry just as much virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated people, and may spread it just as readily, if less often. But the internal document lays out a broader and even grimmer view of the variant. The Delta variant is more transmissible than the viruses that cause MERS, SARS, Ebola, the common cold, the seasonal flu and smallpox, and it is as contagious as chickenpox, according to the document, a copy of which was obtained by The New York Times. The immediate next step for the agency is to acknowledge the war has changed, the document said. Its contents were first reported by The Washington Post on Thursday evening. The documents tone reflects alarm among C.D.C. scientists about Deltas spread across the country, said a federal official who has seen the research described in the document. The agency is expected to publish additional data on the variant on Friday. The C.D.C. is very concerned with the data coming in that Delta is a very serious threat that requires action now, the official said. There were 71,000 new cases per day on average in the United States, as of Thursday. The new data suggest that vaccinated people are spreading the virus and contributing to those numbers although probably to a far lesser degree than the unvaccinated. Dr. Walensky has called transmission by vaccinated people a rare event, but other scientists have suggested it may be more common than once thought. The agencys new masking guidelines for vaccinated people, introduced on Tuesday, were based on the information presented in the document. The C.D.C. recommended that vaccinated people wear masks indoors in public settings in communities with high transmission of the virus. But the internal document hints that even that recommendation may not go far enough. Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential, the document said. The agencys data suggest that people with weak immune systems should wear masks even in places that do not have high transmission of the virus. So should vaccinated Americans who are in contact with young children, older adults, or otherwise vulnerable people. There are roughly 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans, according to data collected by the C.D.C. as of July 24 that was cited in the internal presentation. But the agency does not track all mild or asymptomatic infections, so the actual incidence may be higher. Infection with the Delta variant produces virus amounts in the airways that are tenfold higher than what is seen in people infected with the Alpha variant, which is also highly contagious, the document noted. The amount of virus in a person infected with Delta is a thousandfold more than what is seen in people infected with the original version of the virus, according to one recent study. ... Infection with the Delta variant may be more likely to lead to severe illness, the document noted. Studies from Canada and Scotland found that people infected with the variant are more likely to be hospitalized, while research in Singapore indicated that they are more likely to require oxygen. Still, the C.D.C.s figures show that the vaccines are highly effective in preventing serious illness, hospitalization and death in vaccinated people, experts said. Overall, Delta is the troubling variant we already knew it was, said John Moore, a virologist at Weill Cornell Medicine in New York. But the sky isnt falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SauI_Goodman 07/30/21 9:49:26 AM #2:	I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida. --- If you can see this message it's a wonder why it hasn't been modded yet by the snowflakes. <cite>SauI_Goodman posted [p:956606747] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZannoL 07/30/21 9:49:45 AM #3:	Topic should be delta variant* <cite>ZannoL posted [p:956606755] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Topic should be delta variant* </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZannoL 07/30/21 9:49:53 AM #4:	SauI_Goodman posted... I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida. <cite>ZannoL posted [p:956606759] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>SauI_Goodman posted... </cite> <quote>I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Woodger 07/30/21 10:01:29 AM #5:	It's already killed millions of people and will likely kill some millions more. Definitely something to be concerned about. <cite>Woodger posted [p:956607032] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>It's already killed millions of people and will likely kill some millions more. Definitely something to be concerned about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadowElite86 07/30/21 10:07:24 AM #6:	Fuck that, bring on the booster shot. Although, with all of these variants, how many boosters will we end up needing by the time it's all said and done? --- INGREDIENTS: Cancer <cite>ShadowElite86 posted [p:956607162] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Fuck that, bring on the booster shot. Although, with all of these variants, how many boosters will we end up needing by the time it's all said and done? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeoRavus 07/30/21 10:08:11 AM #7:	Nice, and the US has already gotten rid of mask mandates in most states. What the fuck are we doing? Seriously, I'm at a loss right now. Even without this news why would we do this when whatever variant of the virus hasn't eased up at all. --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:956607180] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Nice, and the US has already gotten rid of mask mandates in most states. What the fuck are we doing? Seriously, I'm at a loss right now. Even without this news why would we do this when whatever variant of the virus hasn't eased up at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/30/21 10:10:19 AM #8:	"It's like the CDC doesn't even want the pandemic to be over!" --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:956607233] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>"It's like the CDC doesn't even want the pandemic to be over!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 07/30/21 10:11:18 AM #9:	If we just stopped testing people, we wouldnt have any new cases. --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:956607255] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>If we just stopped testing people, we wouldnt have any new cases. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 07/30/21 10:15:59 AM #10:	Seems the crowd who been saying this stuff for weeks/months are upset info wasnt released earlier. With some studies still not being published. At least everything was leaked so even if CDC doesnt address it the info is out there for the public. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1420957777409740807 https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1420958565032943621 --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:956607374] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Seems the crowd who been saying this stuff for weeks/months are upset info wasnt released earlier. With some studies still not being published. At least everything was leaked so even if CDC doesnt address it the info is out there for the public. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1420957777409740807 https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1420958565032943621 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stewman_Magoo 07/30/21 10:18:46 AM #11:	au_gold posted... If we just stopped testing people, we wouldnt have any new cases. At this rate, we'll probably need annual boosters if not more often. --- PSN Stewman_Magoo <cite>Stewman_Magoo posted [p:956607445] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>If we just stopped testing people, we wouldnt have any new cases.</quote> At this rate, we'll probably need annual boosters if not more often. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/30/21 10:20:16 AM #12:	ShadowElite86 posted... bring on the booster shot. Although, with all of these variants, how many boosters will we end up needing by the time it's all said and done? warrior says 12 warlock says 17 myself i say about 4. i'm wanting a booster if they give the okay for J&J group to get a moderna or pfizer. and i don't want to end up as a statistic. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:956607488] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>ShadowElite86 posted...</cite> <quote>bring on the booster shot. Although, with all of these variants, how many boosters will we end up needing by the time it's all said and done?</quote> warrior says 12 warlock says 17 myself i say about 4. i'm wanting a booster if they give the okay for J&J group to get a moderna or pfizer. and i don't want to end up as a statistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerseusRad 07/30/21 10:22:52 AM #13:	I have some family that seem insistent that they dont/wont wear masks anymore, since theyre vaccinated, despite the fact they were deriding others for their stupidity before. Like I get their feeling, but somehow it seems theyve missed all the news. --- https://imgur.com/EUkIomS <cite>PerseusRad posted [p:956607551] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>I have some family that seem insistent that they dont/wont wear masks anymore, since theyre vaccinated, despite the fact they were deriding others for their stupidity before. Like I get their feeling, but somehow it seems theyve missed all the news. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 07/30/21 10:24:27 AM #14:	I've been back to wearing make indoors the last couple weeks --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:956607593] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>I've been back to wearing make indoors the last couple weeks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 07/30/21 10:26:32 AM #15:	Any delta cases in China ? --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956607637] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Any delta cases in China ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 07/30/21 10:31:23 AM #16:	So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!" --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:956607765] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/30/21 10:32:12 AM #17:	NightMarishPie posted... So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? somewhat. but can still spread it if asymptomatic. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:956607786] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted...</cite> <quote>So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant?</quote> somewhat. but can still spread it if asymptomatic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SamuelLJackdson 07/30/21 10:32:43 AM #18:	So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this. --- Pineapple belongs on pizza <cite>SamuelLJackdson posted [p:956607797] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/30/21 10:35:09 AM #19:	SamuelLJackdson posted... So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this. If Mu gets Named. maybe it'll take the crown. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:956607886] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>SamuelLJackdson posted...</cite> <quote>So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this. </quote> If Mu gets Named. maybe it'll take the crown.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 07/30/21 10:35:27 AM #20:	SamuelLJackdson posted... So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this. Inevitable without decisive action. Which, in the US, means inevitable. Prepare for full hospitals, I guess. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:956607899] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>SamuelLJackdson posted... </cite> <quote>So its only inevitable it further mutates to evade vaccine effectiveness, no? Given how rapidly delta spreads, I wouldnt doubt this.</quote>Inevitable without decisive action. Which, in the US, means inevitable. Prepare for full hospitals, I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tappor 07/30/21 10:38:20 AM #21:	I never stopped wearing masks indoors, even after getting vaccinated. --- There is no signature; take off your clothes. <cite>Tappor posted [p:956607977] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>I never stopped wearing masks indoors, even after getting vaccinated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 07/30/21 10:39:26 AM #22:	Humanity is doneskies. Wrap it up, folks. It's over. --- CE's resident Smash Player \|\| https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:956608009] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Humanity is doneskies. Wrap it up, folks. It's over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame Zero 07/30/21 10:40:44 AM #23:	NightMarishPie posted... So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!" The vaccine is still just as effective against the Delta as it is against the original. The Delta is more contagious, but the vaccines are still potent. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:956608039] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!"</quote>The vaccine is still just as effective against the Delta as it is against the original. The Delta is more contagious, but the vaccines are still potent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lebronwon 07/30/21 10:44:16 AM #26:	NightMarishPie posted... So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!" My post a few posts before yours kinda answered it. The leaked documents are showing a situation where vaccinated people spread it with the same viral loads as unvaxxed people. And there was vaccinated to vaccinated transmission. I'm pro vaccine too but that is what the leaked data from CDC is showing which led to CDC saying in public everyone should wear masks. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:956608117] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!"</quote> My post a few posts before yours kinda answered it. The leaked documents are showing a situation where vaccinated people spread it with the same viral loads as unvaxxed people. And there was vaccinated to vaccinated transmission. I'm pro vaccine too but that is what the leaked data from CDC is showing which led to CDC saying in public everyone should wear masks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
One_Day_Remains 07/30/21 10:44:38 AM #27:	@Broseph_Stalin Remember when you were labeling people as "pandemic truthers" for being concerned about it not ending soon What an embarrassing moment for you that must've been --- Ten sounds sound like bloated constipated arena rock - GhettoFlip <cite>One_Day_Remains posted [p:956608135] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>@Broseph_Stalin Remember when you were labeling people as "pandemic truthers" for being concerned about it not ending soon What an embarrassing moment for you that must've been</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 07/30/21 10:46:40 AM #28:	How many people have to die until anti vaxxers get with it and realize we can eliminate this virus? The loss of life is doing immeasurable damage to our country --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:956608172] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>How many people have to die until anti vaxxers get with it and realize we can eliminate this virus? The loss of life is doing immeasurable damage to our country </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scorsese2002 07/30/21 10:47:46 AM #29:	SauI_Goodman posted... I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/28/colombia-variant-coronavirus-florida/ --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:956608207] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>SauI_Goodman posted...</cite> <quote>I just read about a 2nd variant coming out of colombia and made its way to florida. </quote> https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/28/colombia-variant-coronavirus-florida/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 07/30/21 10:48:13 AM #30:	If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:956608219] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 07/30/21 10:52:02 AM #31:	Lebronwon posted... My post a few posts before yours kinda answered it. The leaked documents are showing a situation where vaccinated people spread it with the same viral loads as unvaxxed people. And there was vaccinated to vaccinated transmission. I'm pro vaccine too but that is what the leaked data from CDC is showing which led to CDC saying in public everyone should wear masks. Right but that's for breakthrough infections, which is still bad. The vaccine still reduces the chance to get infected, even against Delta (though not as much as we'd like to see) meaning transmission is less likely to occur. Guess I kind of answered my own question lol. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:956608327] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Lebronwon posted... </cite> <quote>My post a few posts before yours kinda answered it. The leaked documents are showing a situation where vaccinated people spread it with the same viral loads as unvaxxed people. And there was vaccinated to vaccinated transmission. I'm pro vaccine too but that is what the leaked data from CDC is showing which led to CDC saying in public everyone should wear masks.</quote>Right but that's for breakthrough infections, which is still bad. The vaccine still reduces the chance to get infected, even against Delta (though not as much as we'd like to see) meaning transmission is less likely to occur. Guess I kind of answered my own question lol. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 07/30/21 10:53:31 AM #32:	Kloe_Rinz posted... If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control. There would need to be a worldwide lockdown though. If you only talking a US lockdown that wont do anything. The whole reason we have this Delta variant is COVID ran through India mutated and then came here either India or from somewhere else in the world. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:956608369] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control.</quote> There would need to be a worldwide lockdown though. If you only talking a US lockdown that wont do anything. The whole reason we have this Delta variant is COVID ran through India mutated and then came here either India or from somewhere else in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 07/30/21 10:54:52 AM #33:	Kloe_Rinz posted... If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control. Not that I'd support this under ANY circumstances but if the goverment didn't do so during the virus peak what makes you believe they would so now? --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:956608397] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>If people wont willingly lock down, the military needs to step in and lock them down by force. Actual quarantine zones until the virus is under control.</quote>Not that I'd support this under ANY circumstances but if the goverment didn't do so during the virus peak what makes you believe they would so now? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 07/30/21 10:55:38 AM #34:	Lebronwon posted... There would need to be a worldwide lockdown though. If you only talking a US lockdown that wont do anything. The whole reason we have this Delta variant is being COVID ran through India mutated and then came here either India or from somewhere else in the world. No travel into or out of a country unless you go through a mandatory 2 week quarantine and come up clean afterwards. If a community has an outbreak, that community turns into a quarantine zone and nobody gets in or out unless they pass the 2 week test. yes, worldwide, and yes, enforced by the military since people keep making the wrong decision and somebody needs to make the right decision for them <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:956608426] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Lebronwon posted... </cite> <quote>There would need to be a worldwide lockdown though. If you only talking a US lockdown that wont do anything. The whole reason we have this Delta variant is being COVID ran through India mutated and then came here either India or from somewhere else in the world.</quote>No travel into or out of a country unless you go through a mandatory 2 week quarantine and come up clean afterwards. If a community has an outbreak, that community turns into a quarantine zone and nobody gets in or out unless they pass the 2 week test. yes, worldwide, and yes, enforced by the military since people keep making the wrong decision and somebody needs to make the right decision for them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lebronwon 07/30/21 10:59:54 AM #35:	Kloe_Rinz posted... No travel into or out of a country unless you go through a mandatory 2 week quarantine and come up clean afterwards. If a community has an outbreak, that community turns into a quarantine zone and nobody gets in or out unless they pass the 2 week test. That seems good in theory but that would involve stopping immigration from US borders. As well preventing US citizens from returning from other countries. I dont really see that happening. Also I think the business lobby would be anti-lockdown. They will probably tell government if we lockdown again small businesses will go out of business. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:956608548] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>No travel into or out of a country unless you go through a mandatory 2 week quarantine and come up clean afterwards. If a community has an outbreak, that community turns into a quarantine zone and nobody gets in or out unless they pass the 2 week test.</quote> That seems good in theory but that would involve stopping immigration from US borders. As well preventing US citizens from returning from other countries. I dont really see that happening. Also I think the business lobby would be anti-lockdown. They will probably tell government if we lockdown again small businesses will go out of business. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CookieMarvin 07/30/21 11:19:34 AM #36:	ZannoL posted... "But the sky isnt falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes. Really? bc like every word in the article before this intimated as such lol --- https://imgur.com/C7kqqh4 <cite>CookieMarvin posted [p:956609115] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>ZannoL posted... </cite> <quote>"But the sky isnt falling and vaccination still protects strongly against the worse outcomes.</quote>Really? bc like every word in the article before this intimated as such lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hsvhighlife 07/30/21 11:24:48 AM #37:	ZannoL posted... https://www.nytimes.com/ stopped reading here. proven to be an unreliable source, im sure the article is pure hyperbole (n = 30, extrapolated to 300million people, etc) --- "Experts on overpopulation blame "Volvo" with their obsession with vehicle safety" <cite>hsvhighlife posted [p:956609291] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>ZannoL posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.nytimes.com/</quote> stopped reading here. proven to be an unreliable source, im sure the article is pure hyperbole (n = 30, extrapolated to 300million people, etc) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRadiant 07/30/21 11:31:06 AM #39:	We had a good run --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:956609464] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>We had a good run </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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limp-bizkit-89 07/30/21 11:33:15 AM #41:	metallica846 posted... https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-64-new-covid-19-cases-delta-resurgence-continues-nanjing-2021-07-30/ --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956609528] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>metallica846 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-reports-64-new-covid-19-cases-delta-resurgence-continues-nanjing-2021-07-30/</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/30/21 11:39:53 AM #42:	GregShmedley posted... I honesty wish those assholes were right about it. But alas, here we are. I wake up every day hoping to be proven wrong about my diminishing faith in humanity. Before the pandemic I genuinely had faith that we as a society could steer away from the inevitable dark ages brought on by the 21st Century's looming challenges. The past year and a half have torn that faith to shreds. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. https://imgur.com/eW67nT8 - Artwork by Wii_Shaker <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:956609688] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>GregShmedley posted... </cite> <quote>I honesty wish those assholes were right about it. But alas, here we are.</quote> I wake up every day hoping to be proven wrong about my diminishing faith in humanity. Before the pandemic I genuinely had faith that we as a society could steer away from the inevitable dark ages brought on by the 21st Century's looming challenges. The past year and a half have torn that faith to shreds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/30/21 11:46:20 AM #43:	masterpug53 posted... The past year and a half have torn that faith to shreds. it's gone to shit. we're all going to get covid at some point. even the unlucky ones will end up with Broken Weiners or worse. broken weiner = erectile dysfunction. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:956609836] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote>The past year and a half have torn that faith to shreds.</quote> it's gone to shit. we're all going to get covid at some point. even the unlucky ones will end up with Broken Weiners or worse. broken weiner = erectile dysfunction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 07/30/21 12:39:16 PM #44:	hsvhighlife posted... stopped reading here. proven to be an unreliable source, im sure the article is pure hyperbole (n = 30, extrapolated to 300million people, etc) Where did you see that n was 30? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956611344] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>hsvhighlife posted... </cite> <quote>stopped reading here. proven to be an unreliable source, im sure the article is pure hyperbole (n = 30, extrapolated to 300million people, etc)</quote> Where did you see that n was 30? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanCanSam 07/30/21 12:45:39 PM #45:	At least it sounds like being vaccinated means you yourself are safe from serious illness as long as you aren't old or immunocompromised, so the goal is the same. Convince people to get vaccinated and shit is fine. That sounds so simple but holy shit we have too many neanderthals out there afraid of fire. <cite>CanCanSam posted [p:956611537] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>At least it sounds like being vaccinated means you yourself are safe from serious illness as long as you aren't old or immunocompromised, so the goal is the same. Convince people to get vaccinated and shit is fine. That sounds so simple but holy shit we have too many neanderthals out there afraid of fire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/30/21 12:47:26 PM #46:	i was reading up. 11 more patients away from having covid restrictions back in place. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:956611594] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>i was reading up. 11 more patients away from having covid restrictions back in place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zeppelin4ever42 07/30/21 12:49:50 PM #47:	NightMarishPie posted... So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!" Considering that vaccinated people make up only about 7% of infections in the US (according to the article in the OP), I would guess yes --- Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me Father forgive them for they know not what they do <cite>zeppelin4ever42 posted [p:956611665] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>So do vaccines still reduce the transmission of the delta variant? Even if just by a little? The article seems to suggest that, but not sure. I would hate to give any more fuel for anti vaxxers to be like, "see? Vaccines don't prevent it from spreading!"</quote>Considering that vaccinated people make up only about 7% of infections in the US (according to the article in the OP), I would guess yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 07/30/21 1:06:27 PM #48:	zeppelin4ever42 posted... Considering that vaccinated people make up only about 7% of infections in the US (according to the article in the OP), I would guess yes it's worth paying attention to the way information is framed in stories. for example: say 100 vaccinated people attend a party, and 5 unvaccinated people show up; 1 of whom is infected. suppose the other 4 unvaccinated people get infected; and 4 of the vaccinated people also get infected. it could easily be framed as "50% of the people who caught it at this party were already vaccinated!" but it actually means the vaccine is 96% effective I'm not saying your statistic there is misleading in the same way, but we do actually need more information. like 7% of infected people are vaccinated. but what percentage of the general population is vaccinated? (I do trust that it's significantly more than 7%) --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:956612203] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>zeppelin4ever42 posted... </cite> <quote>Considering that vaccinated people make up only about 7% of infections in the US (according to the article in the OP), I would guess yes</quote>it's worth paying attention to the way information is framed in stories. for example: say 100 vaccinated people attend a party, and 5 unvaccinated people show up; 1 of whom is infected. suppose the other 4 unvaccinated people get infected; and 4 of the vaccinated people also get infected. it could easily be framed as "50% of the people who caught it at this party were already vaccinated!" but it actually means the vaccine is 96% effective I'm not saying your statistic there is misleading in the same way, but we do actually need more information. like 7% of infected people are vaccinated. but what percentage of the general population is vaccinated? (I do trust that it's significantly more than 7%) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 07/30/21 1:24:33 PM #49:	averagejoel posted... it's worth paying attention to the way information is framed in stories. for example: say 100 vaccinated people attend a party, and 5 unvaccinated people show up; 1 of whom is infected. suppose the other 4 unvaccinated people get infected; and 4 of the vaccinated people also get infected. it could easily be framed as "50% of the people who caught it at this party were already vaccinated!" but it actually means the vaccine is 96% effective I'm not saying your statistic there is misleading in the same way, but we do actually need more information. like 7% of infected people are vaccinated. but what percentage of the general population is vaccinated? (I do trust that it's significantly more than 7%) This is a very good breakdown of the importance of understanding statistics! @COVxy <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:956612767] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>it's worth paying attention to the way information is framed in stories. for example: say 100 vaccinated people attend a party, and 5 unvaccinated people show up; 1 of whom is infected. suppose the other 4 unvaccinated people get infected; and 4 of the vaccinated people also get infected. it could easily be framed as "50% of the people who caught it at this party were already vaccinated!" but it actually means the vaccine is 96% effective I'm not saying your statistic there is misleading in the same way, but we do actually need more information. like 7% of infected people are vaccinated. but what percentage of the general population is vaccinated? (I do trust that it's significantly more than 7%)</quote> This is a very good breakdown of the importance of understanding statistics! @COVxy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGoldenEel 07/30/21 1:31:19 PM #50:	Counterpoint https://mobile.twitter.com/CNBC/status/1420375725245337601 --- BLACK LIVES MATTER Games: http://backloggery.com/wrldindstries302 \\ Music: http://www.last.fm/user/DrMorberg/ <cite>TheGoldenEel posted [p:956612983] in Delta viru... [t:79590277]...</cite> <quote>Counterpoint https://mobile.twitter.com/CNBC/status/1420375725245337601 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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