Current Events > Transmen Are Triggered Over Lil Nas X Saying He Likes Dick

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iPhone_7 posted...

How is that tweet transphobic? He simply said he likes dick.

He didnt specify that he doesnt like trans dick, or that he just likes biologically-born male dick.

They think it's fucked up he doesnt like transmen that dont have a dick. Which he never said but it's what I'm getting out of their drivel about not having a dick doesnt mean hes not a man.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

They think it's fucked up he doesnt like transmen that dont have a dick. Which he never said but it's what I'm getting out of their drivel about not having a dick doesnt mean hes not a man.

That is essentially the case. It's several layers of abstraction and inferred implications that were never explicitly made. The order goes something like this.

1. Lil Nas X is a man (explicit)
2. Lil Nas X is gay (explicit)
3. Gay men like other men (implicit)
4. Transmen are men (explicit)
5. Lil Nas X says he likes dick (explicit)
6. Lil Nas X is reducing the identity of a man into his dick (inferred)
7. Lil Nas X is erasing the identity of transmen by not being attracted to them (inferred)
8. Lil Nas X is a transphobe (inferred)

By the time this makes the rounds across social media, point #8 is the only thing being shared and all the context is stripped away and people begin accusing Lil Nas X of things he don't even believe. Nobody ever asked him if he thought transmen were sexually attractive they just skip straight to calling him a transphobe because he said he likes dick.

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Flauros posted...

Is it transphobic to be gay?

No.

There's fringe idiots who argue that it is (and desperately want it to be a thing), but the grand majority of (cisgender) homosexuals will confirm it's not transphobic. I would listen to the latter, exclusively on the matter....you know, the people who actually live as the common interpretation of homosexuals.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

That is essentially the case. It's several layers of abstraction and inferred implications that were never explicitly made. The order goes something like this.

1. Lil Nas X is a man (explicit)
2. Lil Nas X is gay (explicit)
3. Gay men like other men (implicit)
4. Transmen are men (explicit)
5. Lil Nas X says he likes dick (explicit)
6. Lil Nas X is reducing the identity of a man into his dick (inferred)
7. Lil Nas X is erasing the identity of transmen by not being attracted to them (inferred)
8. Lil Nas X is a transphobe (inferred)

By the time this makes the rounds across social media, point #8 is the only thing being shared and all the context is stripped away and people begin accusing Lil Nas X of things he don't even believe. Nobody ever asked him if he thought transmen were sexually attractive they just skip straight to calling him a transphobe because he said he likes dick.

Ah thank you.

To that other guy ive been going back and forth with. This is another example of vocal minority being problematic. As this poster points out it gets to a point where all people see is the lil nas is transphobic part cause why bother digging up all the facts?

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Just because you're gay doesn't mean you like literally every guy. You have things you're attracted to besides that descriptor like a certain length of hair, a certain amount of muscle, a certain facial shape, and yeah, maybe a dick between the legs.

That's not transphobic.

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If I said I like women for pussy, does that make me transphobic? Nope!!! Completely out of context.

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totalnerdken posted...

Technically, yes. You're allowed to have a genital preference but tying to a gender is transphobic.

This was the whole thing with the super straight phenomenon a while ago.

Ohh, well I say show me the birth certificate. Then you have the gender narrowed down. Easy enough.

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YAMBAG84 posted...

but tying to a gender is transphobic.

Also, I don't agree with this at all and that's the problem with these people. I feel like I have an alien werewolf pussy, so why am I not included? I'm pissed and going to the internet to speak my digital voice! I'm not the same race or gender, my pen-I mean pussy is an alien werewolf gash and should be recognized even though it's out of context and was never sought after. I wanna be included! I want my voice to be heard! You hear that corporations! Bow down now and give in! Conform! You too people!

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Stop with these dumb clickbait topic titles. Transmen are not triggered by this, it's just one random dumbass on Twitter. For some reason you guys love giving these isolated individuals attention and making their stances seem widespread

Incorrect, there's a lot of people trying to get on Nas' case here, so bizarre

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If I don't respond later, it's because I got AIDS.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Gay men like other men (implicit)

gay men like cis men, just like how straight men like cis women. they don't necessarily like trans men just like straight men don't necessarily like trans women.

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dj1200 posted...

gay men like cis men, just like how straight men like cis women. they don't necessarily like trans men just like straight men don't necessarily like trans women.

So Lil Nas X is super gay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=191d2iCBfik

YAMBAG84 posted...

Ohh, well I say show me the birth certificate. Then you have the gender narrowed down. Easy enough.

thats not how it works

istg

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dj1200 posted...

gay men like cis men, just like how straight men like cis women. they don't necessarily like trans men just like straight men don't necessarily like trans women.

So Lil Nas X is super gay?

LOL this is the super straight controversy all over again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=191d2iCBfik

Sounds like jealousy to me.

He likes dick.

None of those people have one in tweets I assume.

Never had a chance anyway.

It's almost like when a hot chick revealed she's in a relationship of some sorts, and the incels and the like all dis her now over some bullshit when they never had a chance anyway.

Just let the guy like dick. I like pussy, is that somehow problematic?

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gmanthebest posted...

Just let the guy like dick. I like pussy, is that somehow problematic?

Trans-men who have a vagina want to be accepted as men by gay men. But gay men only like male minds, male bodies, male genitalia. Thats why they are called homosexual; of the same sex. A gay man who does not like a man who has a vagina is automatically considered problematic and "homophobic" to some trans-men.

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action52 posted...

The person making the tweet has a point. Using terms like "dick" and "pussy" as synonyms for "man" and "woman" low key implies that this is a "normal" or "real" man/woman. If people stopped using terms like this it would help make trans people feel more normal and accepted.

But no one using those terms is trying to be trans exclusionary. The vast majority of people don't even think of things that way. If you're going out of your way to be trans inclusive you should stay away from that sort of language (and I do personally)... but I don't know how productive it is to go around calling out anyone and everyone who uses the expression. I think situations like this call for what some people refer to as "calling in" rather than "calling out." Kindly and politely inform the person then invite them to be better, rather than immediately being negative and accusatory.

I also wonder how much the people here are acting in good faith. Was the first response to Lil Nas a sincere effort to make things better, or to increase their own level of fame by targeting a celebrity? Did the other people reply because they genuinely wanted to educate, or because it feels good to join in piling on someone on social media? Probably a mix of both but maybe more the latter than the former.

Of course I also question how much people are acting in good faith when they bring up twitter randos who have little to no cultural influence...

action52 posted...

But saying "I like dick" kind of conflates the two regardless of what you're thinking as you say it. Saying "I like dicks" would leave zero ambiguity that you are referring to the body part and not men in general.

I get it though, that's just the way people talk, and I wouldn't think you using the expression means that you are transphobic. It's part of a larger whole of how gender is ingrained into society. I'm certainly not saying that if you don't immediately stop using the expression you are a raging transphobe.

I think it's something that would be good to have a nuanced discussion of, but twitter hates those. Cutting people down with pithy one liners is much more popular.

Probably the most reasonable post and better written than my own. Shame it'll probably be buried.

It's really all about the language and how it's perceived.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That is essentially the case. It's several layers of abstraction and inferred implications that were never explicitly made. The order goes something like this.

1. Lil Nas X is a man (explicit)
2. Lil Nas X is gay (explicit)
3. Gay men like other men (implicit)
4. Transmen are men (explicit)
5. Lil Nas X says he likes dick (explicit)
6. Lil Nas X is reducing the identity of a man into his dick (inferred)
7. Lil Nas X is erasing the identity of transmen by not being attracted to them (inferred)
8. Lil Nas X is a transphobe (inferred)

By the time this makes the rounds across social media, point #8 is the only thing being shared and all the context is stripped away and people begin accusing Lil Nas X of things he don't even believe. Nobody ever asked him if he thought transmen were sexually attractive they just skip straight to calling him a transphobe because he said he likes dick.

This post explains essentially where everything breaks down by assumptions and inferring things about the original meaning.

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