Current Events > Fox News is now invoking 9/11 to detract from 1/6.

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 4:11:19 PM
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What in the actual fuck do you gain from being a pedant?

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joe40001
07/17/21 4:14:48 PM
#52:


hockeybub89 posted...
What in the actual fuck do you gain from being a pedant?

I don't like it when people say batshit crazy things and we are all supposed to nod and be like "yep, preach!".

Lack of nuance or critical thinking is a big part of what's wrong with modern society, and statements like:
"Those rioters are no better than the terrorists on 9/11."

Is emblematic of that problem.

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 4:18:44 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I don't like it when people say batshit crazy things and we are all supposed to nod and be like "yep, preach!".

Lack of nuance or critical thinking is a big part of what's wrong with modern society, and statements like:
"Those rioters are no better than the terrorists on 9/11."

Is emblematic of that problem.
"Well actually not all terrorists are equally bad" is not a discussion anyone needs to have because someone employed some hyperbole.

I actually pity you because I genuinely don't think you are a conservative troll. You truly think being this pedantic is not only important, but necessary

Get some fucking help

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Bishop9800
07/17/21 4:20:30 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I think

Judging from your posts, you don't.

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joe40001
07/17/21 4:21:15 PM
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Bishop9800 posted...
Judging from your posts, you don't.

What is something I am wrong about?

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Gwynevere
07/17/21 4:21:37 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Honestly, comparing it to 9/11 was just a bad strategy. Regardless of how true or untrue it is.
This. It just gives conservatives something to argue with that deflects away from the attempted insurrection.

As evidenced by this very topic

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Bishop9800
07/17/21 4:24:49 PM
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joe40001 posted...
What is something I am wrong about?

Everything

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joe40001
07/17/21 4:27:46 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
This. It just gives conservatives something to argue with that deflects away from the attempted insurrection.

As evidenced by this very topic

I agree it's a bad strategy.

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 4:30:24 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I agree it's a bad strategy.
If anyone gets distracted or changes what they believe in because of hyperbole and annoying noise, then they are a barely sentient idiot who lacks the higher functions to be convinced with facts and logic.

No one gives a rat's fuck what terrorists are worse. Use some critical thinking and stop being tricked by the Republican institution into pushing their misinformation campaign.

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joe40001
07/17/21 4:32:46 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
If anyone gets distracted or changes what they believe in because of hyperbole and annoying noise, then they are a barely sentient idiot who lacks the higher functions to be convinced with facts and logic.

Ok, and?

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 4:33:57 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Ok, and?
No one gives a rat's fuck what terrorists are worse. Use some critical thinking and stop being tricked by the Republican institution into pushing their misinformation campaign. They want you to focus on the unimportant parts

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unnamedsoldier
07/17/21 4:34:14 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
Those rioters are no better than the terrorists on 9/11.

This is a pretty ridiculous statement regardless of where you stand
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armandro
07/17/21 4:37:19 PM
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https://youtu.be/Vye9Srz9f7I?t=155

how some people in this topic sound like


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hockeybub89
07/17/21 4:38:59 PM
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Congratulations on contributing to the imminent destruction of every belief, opinion, and existence that disagrees with the Republican hivemind.

At least you'll be fine in this hellscape because "logically it just doesn't make sense to publically go against the Christiam theocracy. Maybe if the woke left ever chooses to argue with logic and respect, we can get people their rights back. They weren't being very LGBT-friendly when they demonized homophobes instead of sitting down with them and having a logical debate over why they feel that way."

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mustachedmystic
07/17/21 5:02:37 PM
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They used violence for political aims. That is literally the definition of terrorism.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=terrorism+definition

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joe40001
07/17/21 5:07:17 PM
#66:


hockeybub89 posted...
No one gives a rat's fuck what terrorists are worse. Use some critical thinking and stop being tricked by the Republican institution into pushing their misinformation campaign. They want you to focus on the unimportant parts

I'm not tricked by anybody. I was disagreeing with the OP.

It hasn't been my focus in any meaningful way. I strongly disapprove of the capitol riots, but I think most sensible people do.

I only spoke up because a lack of nuance was being used and I do feel strongly about speaking up against that.

I am on the side of critical thinking, I'll call out people for saying dumb shit though.

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 5:10:57 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I'm not tricked by anybody. I was disagreeing with the OP.

It hasn't been my focus in any meaningful way. I strongly disapprove of the capitol riots, but I think most sensible people do.

I only spoke up because a lack of nuance was being used and I do feel strongly about speaking up against that.

I am on the side of critical thinking, I'll call out people for saying dumb shit though.
This isn't critical thinking. Arranging our terrorists into proper tier changes nothing functional. You're being a pedant. Maybe do some introspection and call yourself out, if you're capable.

I bet you remind people that call someone a grammar Nazi that the Nazis killed millions of Jews and didn't care about their punctuation.

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joe40001
07/17/21 5:12:32 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
They used violence for political aims. That is literally the definition of terrorism.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=terrorism+definition

You can have that definition... but that would make pretty much any politically motivated riot "terrorism". And I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that.

Particularly considering the legal implications.

I'll be straight up: If you insist the capitol rioters were terrorists, and courts uphold that. It could establish precedent that politically motivated rioters are terrorists. And if that precedent is set, I really don't see how that doesn't really hurt some like BLM or something protest in alabama down the line.

I don't think that's a road we want to go down, the government can kinda throw out people's rights if they label you a terrorist.

The capitol rioters were criminals, many of which could be called violent. They deserve appropriate legal prosecution.

I don't think we want to bust out the T word though. That does not lead us down a good road.

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joe40001
07/17/21 5:13:27 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
This isn't critical thinking. Arranging our terrorists into proper tier changes nothing functional. Maybe do some introspection and call yourself out, if you're capable.

What?

Critical thinking is all about context, precision, and nuance. Painting with broad generalizing brushes is antithetical to it.

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DarthAragorn
07/17/21 5:16:09 PM
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joe "I'm not a conservative but if capital rioters are terrorists so is BLM" numbers

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MutantJohn
07/17/21 5:22:59 PM
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BLM actually has evidence that the system punishes black people more harshly.

Capitol rioters had only the propaganda from Donny T

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TheVipaGTS
07/17/21 5:36:39 PM
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mustachedmystic posted...
They used violence for political aims. That is literally the definition of terrorism.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=terrorism+definition
Nah theyre not brown enough to be considered terrorists. If a bunch of Muslims did this in an attempt to overthrow the government and had the same outcome the right would be flipping their shit. Its absolutely no different.

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joe40001
07/17/21 5:53:07 PM
#73:


DarthAragorn posted...
joe "I'm not a conservative but if capital rioters are terrorists so is BLM" numbers

I was pointing out the problem with their definition of terrorist and how legally recognizing that definition would lead to bad consequences.

I was not personally arguing that is a good definition of terrorist.

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TheVipaGTS
07/17/21 5:55:20 PM
#74:


joe40001 posted...
I was pointing out the problem with their definition of terrorist and how legally recognizing that definition would lead to bad consequences.

I was not personally arguing that is a good definition of terrorist.
The people on 1/6 were chanting death threats, and trying to violently overthrow the government for political reasons. Just because they were too stupid to do it and failed to accomplish what they were trying to doesnt make them any less of a terrorist. They are the textbook definition of terrorists. hell, a sitting congresswoman was live tweet the location of politicians so they could find her. What do you think they intended to do if they were able to get to her? Sit down and have a dignified chat with her? Come the fuck on, bro. Stop being so dense.

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TheOtherMike
07/17/21 5:56:50 PM
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Imagine responding to joenumbers.
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hockeybub89
07/17/21 5:57:28 PM
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joe40001 posted...
What?

Critical thinking is all about context, precision, and nuance. Painting with broad generalizing brushes is antithetical to it.
You wouldn't know anything if it bit you in the ass. You barely have self-awareness. It's like you read about humans in books on your alien planet and are awkwardly trying to imitate our behavior and failing. People don't need to use exactly precise speech to convey a point. Hyperbole and figures of speech completely throw you off. You act without logic while treating everything everyone else says as if it were a scientific thesis. You turn everything into a debate because there is something wrong with you.

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hockeybub89
07/17/21 5:58:45 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
The people on 1/6 were chanting death threats, and trying to violently overthrow the government for political reasons. Just because they were too stupid to do it and failed to accomplish what they were trying to doesnt make them any less of a terrorist. They are the textbook definition of terrorists. hell, a sitting congresswoman was live tweet the location of politicians so they could find her. What do you think they intended to do if they were able to get to her? Sit down and have a dignified chat with her? Come the fuck on, bro. Stop being so dense.
Yeah, but they haven't beheaded anyone or blew up a building. I'm incredibly intelligent and logical so I know we shouldn't call people terrorists by definition if they aren't the worst terrorists possible.

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MyMainAccount
07/17/21 6:00:35 PM
#78:


SiO4 posted...
They are saying 'The Left' is weaponizing the attempted insurection.

~That's the narrative.

SiO4 posted...
They are saying 'The Left' is weaponizing the attempted insurection.

~That's the narrative.

I mean, they're not wrong. They're just wrong that "the left is going to use something bad we did against us" is a defense for doing the thing and getting called out on it.

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What_
07/17/21 6:01:11 PM
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Literally terrorists
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joe40001
07/17/21 6:03:57 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
The people on 1/6 were chanting death threats, and trying to violently overthrow the government for political reasons. Just because they were too stupid to do it and failed to accomplish what they were trying to doesnt make them any less of a terrorist. They are the textbook definition of terrorists. hell, a sitting congresswoman was live tweet the location of politicians so they could find her. What do you think they intended to do if they were able to get to her? Sit down and have a dignified chat with her? Come the fuck on, bro. Stop being so dense.

Most people think Trumps speech inspired this riot at the capitol. If that is so we can't also say it was a premeditated terrorist attack.

Also if they sincerely believed the gaslighting that they had been told that democracy itself had been stolen from them that also makes it different.

They were a mob of angry people who had been convinced that democracy had been stolen from them, and they began behaving illegally and violently. But that is still different than premeditated efforts to causes maximum loss of life.

Anybody coming in there with some premeditated plan to hurt or kill people, yes, you could make an argument against them. But the vast majority of people seem swept up by trump's rhetoric and so while bad, were not terrorists.

You don't not want to expand the legal definition for what counts as a terrorist to include rioter with political motivations. That is very dangerous.

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joe40001
07/17/21 6:09:17 PM
#81:


hockeybub89 posted...
Yeah, but they haven't beheaded anyone or blew up a building. I'm incredibly intelligent and logical so I know we shouldn't call people terrorists by definition if they aren't the worst terrorists possible.

Well, you certainly shouldn't call them "no better than the terrorists on 9/11."

I don't understand the motivation to try to steal defeat from the jaws of victory.

Everybody agrees it was very bad and these people need to be prosecuted severely. If you make that your argument you easily win. But if you make the argument "they are as bad as the worst terrorists who ever terrorized" you just shot yourself in the foot for no good reason.

The need to engage in pointless hyperbole is taking away from an easy victory for society in condemning the hell out of what happened.

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TheVipaGTS
07/17/21 7:38:20 PM
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I dont understand why youre trying to rank them on some terrorist scale. They are no better than the 9/11 terrorists. They are terrorists. The end. No terrorist is better because all terrorists are bad.

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NoMeLx22x
07/17/21 9:08:39 PM
#83:


The legendary JoeNumbers strikes again.

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iPhone_7
07/17/21 9:09:38 PM
#84:


Wheres Ja?!

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Ruvan22
07/18/21 2:06:38 AM
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iPhone_7 posted...
Wheres Ja?!

Warned it seems
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shnangyboos
07/18/21 2:09:16 AM
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The riots last year were terrorism.

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