Current Events > "Slavery itself was not initially a racist thing." - Fox News

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https://twitter.com/knownothingtv/status/1415049189973704713?s=21

The more you know.

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Brought to you by the same guy who thought CRT was bogus because he has 2 PhDs

Yikes.

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Brought to you by the same guy who thought CRT was bogus because he has 2 PhDs

dang. I only have 1 phd and teach CRT. i done fucked up somewhere.

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ThanksUglyGod posted...

Brought to you by the same guy who thought CRT was bogus because he has 2 PhDs

He wasn't talking about that kind of PhD

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*slaps him hard*

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Is this supposed to be about slavery in America specifically or the first slavery among human beings in the entire world?

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maybe for some societies in the past, but slavery in the US was totally a racist thing.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Is this supposed to be about slavery in America specifically or the first slavery among human beings in the entire world?

Good question

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What a moron

The reason why they are discussing this is because they are racist, but it is completely correct.

Historically, slavery has never been about race. It has typically been the fate of people who lost wars to Rome.

Even within the contextual history of Africa, slavery existed their among the African populations before European settlers even arrived. Africa just sold its slaves to other civilizations

Now, American slavery was PREDOMINANTLY about racism, and Fox News trying to spin it is genuinely pathetic

In the context of the trans atlantic trade and American slavery race and racism did play a very big part of it. Slavery elsewhere most likely not, in Ancient Greece you had slaves of all kinds, most were Thracians, but there were others who were even other Greeks taken as war captives or even as punishment.

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If you go WAY back, sure slavery didn't start about race. There were plenty of issues like you lost a war or went bankrupt or something.

The slave trade in America though was 100% about race, and the fact that this kind of discussion even gets addressed (even on Fox News) give me bad feelings about the future.

They wanted slaves and some guy found a passage in the Bible that he convinced people said it was OK to treat Africans like livestock. And thus was born American slavery

Winrawr posted...

The reason why they are discussing this is because they are racist, but it is completely correct.

Historically, slavery has never been about race. It has typically been the fate of people who lost wars to Rome.

Even within the contextual history of Africa, slavery existed their among the African populations before European settlers even arrived. Africa just sold its slaves to other civilizations

Now, American slavery was PREDOMINANTLY about racism, and Fox News trying to spin it is genuinely pathetic

This. Anyone who says American slavery wasnt about racism are completely full of shit. I did learn in African American History that slavery was a thing in Africa. However it was much more fair back then. You got put into slavery if you couldnt pay your debts and you were released once you worked your debt off.

That is nothing even close to American slavery


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thats candace owens brother fyi

^ I think that's a rumor that turned out not to be true

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ThePusher posted...

thats candace owens brother fyi

makes a lot of sense. One rotten ass family tree.

g0ldie posted...

^ I think that's a rumor that turned out not to be true

I cant tell, theres an instagram photo of Candace and a dude that looks a lot like him, but its oddly hard to find info on Candance Owens brother it seems.

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@AmericaTheBrave

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DepreceV2 posted...

This. Anyone who says American slavery wasnt about racism are completely full of shit. I did learn in African American History that slavery was a thing in Africa. However it was much more fair back then. You got put into slavery if you couldnt pay your debts and you were released once you worked your debt off.

That is nothing even close to American slavery

I thought the discussion in the video, I didn't watch it, was like how the topic is titled, saying slavery in America didn't start out about race. That is probably true. Like the very first slaves shipped here in 1619 they probably weren't thinking "oh yeah let's enslave those dark skins they deserve it" so much as it was "free labor." It just obviously became less about the "hey free labor!" aspect and eventually became all about race at some point down the road, with most of the near 250 years of slavery being race based.

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Gamerguymass posted...

I thought the discussion in the video, I didn't watch it, was like how the topic is titled, saying slavery in America didn't start out about race. That is probably true. Like the very first slaves shipped here in 1619 they probably weren't thinking "oh yeah let's enslave those dark skins they deserve it" so much as it was "free labor." It just obviously became less about the "hey free labor!" aspect and eventually became all about race at some point down the road, with most of the near 250 years of slavery being race based.

Oh I have no idea. I didnt watch the video

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ThePusher posted...

thats candace owens brother fyi

As far I can tell this is just some guy named Ty Smith. He has two social media pictures with Candace Owens is which he refers to her as his sister, but I don't think there's any verification on this.

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If it wasn't about race, why didn't they enslave natives? A helluva lot easier than crossing an ocean.

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Unknown5uspect posted...

As far I can tell this is just some guy named Ty Smith. He has two social media pictures with Candace Owens is which he refers to her as his sister, but I don't think there's any verification on this.

ya thats what I found, shes confirmed she has a brother but I cant find his name or anything anywhere.

Those two pictures are all I can find too. Im kinda curious on finding out now though.


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jumi posted...

If it wasn't about race, why didn't they enslave natives? A helluva lot easier than crossing an ocean.

Because the natives fought back while many African tribes sold their own people into slavery.

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I just watched the video. America wasnt found on Racism.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! Im with you when you say slavery across the world wasnt initially about racism but using that to act like American slavery wasnt originally racism is just straight up stupid

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jumi posted...

If it wasn't about race, why didn't they enslave natives? A helluva lot easier than crossing an ocean.

Natives kept dying of old world diseases.

On the subject of racism and slavery, and which came first so to speak, I've always found this Ta-Nehisi Coates piece a helpful history

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

When enslaved Africans, plundered of their bodies, plundered of their families, and plundered of their labor, were brought to the colony of Virginia in 1619, they did not initially endure the naked racism that would engulf their progeny. Some of them were freed. Some of them intermarried. Still others escaped with the white indentured servants who had suffered as they had. Some even rebelled together, allying under Nathaniel Bacon to torch Jamestown in 1676.

One hundred years later, the idea of slaves and poor whites joining forces would shock the senses, but in the early days of the English colonies, the two groups had much in common. English visitors to Virginia found that its masters abuse their servantes with intollerable oppression and hard usage. White servants were flogged, tricked into serving beyond their contracts, and traded in much the same manner as slaves.

This hard usage originated in a simple fact of the New Worldland was boundless but cheap labor was limited. As life spans increased in the colony, the Virginia planters found in the enslaved Africans an even more efficient source of cheap labor. Whereas indentured servants were still legal subjects of the English crown and thus entitled to certain protections, African slaves entered the colonies as aliens. Exempted from the protections of the crown, they became early Americas indispensable working classfit for maximum exploitation, capable of only minimal resistance.

For the next 250 years, American law worked to reduce black people to a class of untouchables and raise all white men to the level of citizens. In 1650, Virginia mandated that all persons except Negroes were to carry arms. In 1664, Maryland mandated that any Englishwoman who married a slave must live as a slave of her husbands master. In 1705, the Virginia assembly passed a law allowing for the dismemberment of unruly slavesbut forbidding masters from whipping a Christian white servant naked, without an order from a justice of the peace. In that same law, the colony mandated that all horses, cattle, and hogs, now belonging, or that hereafter shall belong to any slave be seized and sold off by the local church, the profits used to support the poor of the said parish. At that time, there would have still been people alive who could remember blacks and whites joining to burn down Jamestown only 29 years before. But at the beginning of the 18th century, two primary classes were enshrined in America.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Because the natives fought back while many African tribes sold their own people into slavery.

iirc, the people they sold into slavery were conquered people's that they didn't see as their own, since the concept we have of race right now wasn't the same as it was back then

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Antifar posted...

Natives kept dying of old world diseases.

People underestimate the scale of it. Somewhere between 20-60 MILLION Native Americans died from old world diseases. America was full of Native American tribes before they lost 90-95% of their populations, going from millions to 100-200 thousand. A modern comparison would be if 295 US Americans died from diseases they had no immunity against.

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Oh we're still going on about CRT? That's so two weeks ago. Time for a new boogeyman to be outraged over.

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I think the term here is hotep.

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The unclest of Toms.

He's getting that good Candace money.

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g0ldie posted...

iirc, the people they sold into slavery were conquered people's that they didn't see as their own, since the concept we have of race right now wasn't the same as it was back then

Some people did sell their own family members as well. One thing that is downplayed is the economic part, but that would be an inconvenience

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You cannot enslave someone and think it's moral good unless you think that person is less than you. Of course slavery was "about" labor, but it certainly reflects racism.

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I think there were also different ideas of slavery, because what was used in west Africa was different from the chattel slavery in the Americas, so while slavery was still a bad thing to them, it wasn't some kinda generational hell they were unknowingly condemning others to

because if they did, things might have been different

edit: at post 35

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Why was I tagged?

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COVxy posted...

He's getting that good Candace money.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Is this supposed to be about slavery in America specifically or the first slavery among human beings in the entire world?

Likely all of human history unless said human history in some people's books don't go back further then 250 years or so and the North American region.

Interesting tid bit to discuss non the less.

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Technically, slavery existed bef-

It never was a race thing, so why are we making it a race thing now?

In the US it was a race thing. Everywhere else it was a lazy thing.

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When was the last time Fox News said anything intelligent?

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Winrawr posted...

The reason why they are discussing this is because they are racist, but it is completely correct.

Historically, slavery has never been about race. It has typically been the fate of people who lost wars to Rome.

Even within the contextual history of Africa, slavery existed their among the African populations before European settlers even arrived. Africa just sold its slaves to other civilizations

Now, American slavery was PREDOMINANTLY about racism, and Fox News trying to spin it is genuinely pathetic

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Antifar posted...

Natives kept dying of old world diseases.

On the subject of racism and slavery, and which came first so to speak, I've always found this Ta-Nehisi Coates piece a helpful history

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

This is a really good article and points...

Yeah that's a disturbingly bad and inaccurate take.

Slavery was absolutely a race thing and the slavers openly said so. The idea that God intended blacks to be slaves to their superior whites and the Americans were being Good Christians by instructing them as people through slavery was widespread and openly taught in churches and schools

You'll see this idealogy repeated at length by almost anyone in the US who owned slaves. Not to mention the horrific treatment of black people during reconstruction in the South following the civil war that was arguably worse than slavery and a precursor to how the Nazis treated Jews in the 1930s.

Now I understand the concept I think other users are going on about that the US did not invent slavery and that the Islamic slave trade was even crueler.

But the guy directedly brought up the founding of America and then said slavery was never about race even though it went on. That's just completely innacurate and dangerous to spread

The US Slavery system was absolutey racist from the get go

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Uncle Ruckus got a nephew
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Flintgrandad posted...

https://twitter.com/TaylerUSA/status/1413972241272954882

That is lame as fuck LMAO

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