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People saying the far right are worse than the far left realize the latter is just as murderous right?

Mao and Stalin killed way more people than Hitler

Everything in moderation

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unnamedsoldier posted...

People saying the far right are worse than the far left realize the latter is just as murderous right?

Radicals who refuse to admit being so, are the most dangerous.

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Damn I didn't know randos on twitter held all the power to make laws or enforce policy. Silly me how could I forget.

Did I say that? Stop getting upset over a differing opinion, and think before you post my guy

Having corporate power is a really good tool to have. Not everything is about making laws or enforcing policy (which outside of a few select states, the republicans dont even have any real power in either of those two things so idk why youd bring it up to begin with)


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Samurontai posted...

Don't underestimate the power of the internet, which the far left currently has a monopoly on.

Far right misinformation is fucking everywhere online.

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Lol remember when Sam used to be a good poster and wasn't a both-sides'er who constantly downplays Nazis and fascists and cries about the left.

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Theres nothing wrong with being far-left. If anything we should be shaming people who are not far left.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being far-left. If anything we should be shaming people who are not far left.

o...kay
Questionmarktarius posted...

Radicals who refuse to admit being so, are the most dangerous.

iPhone_7 posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being far-left. If anything we should be shaming people who are not far left.

Umm, Khmer Rouge, Shining Path, North Korea, etc.

If youre not left then youre wrong.

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People who claim to be "far left" are just proving OP's point in here by being insufferable. Don't act like the proliferation of digital vigilantism by the far left isn't one of the more harmful things to happen to society, culture, and discourse over the last 20 years.

iPhone_7 posted...

If youre not left then youre wrong.

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bobbaaay posted...

People who claim to be "far left" are just proving OP's point in here by being insufferable. Don't act like the proliferation of digital vigilantism by the far left isn't one of the more harmful things to happen to society, culture, and discourse over the last 20 years.

Itp insufferable is just as bad as Nazis

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Almost every single person in this topic who is urging you to reject the binary or saying the left is as bad as the right is identifiably on the right. That's not a coincidence.

Slayer_22 , Heavy_D_Forever, Hop103, gatorsPENSbucs, bobbaaay and now Samurontai apparently.

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legendary_zell posted...

Almost every single person in this topic who is urging you to reject the binary or saying the left is as bad as the right is identifiably on the right. That's not a coincidence.

Slayer_22 , Heavy_D_Forever, Hop103, gatorsPENSbucs, and now Samurontai apparently.

I'm sorry, what the fuck are you on, bro? I'm not right or left, I'm not centrist. I stay away from politics entirely, unless it's to shitpost on Biden being senile or Trump being a massive PoS.
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Slayer_22 posted...

I'm not centrist. I stay away from politics entirely

Lol

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Slayer_22 posted...

I'm sorry, what the fuck are you on, bro? I'm not right or left, I'm not centrist. I stay away from politics entirely, unless it's to shitpost on Biden being senile or Trump being a massive PoS.

Unless I'm confusing you with someone else, I've seen you post about politics fairly often and it hasn't been in support of anything leftist or even liberal and proceeds on pretty culturally conservative assumptions. If I'm wrong, then I apologize. But I usually keep pretty good track of these things.

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It's awesome on the far left, we get cookies and guns while bashing the fash

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legendary_zell posted...

Almost every single person in this topic who is urging you to reject the binary or saying the left is as bad as the right is identifiably on the right. That's not a coincidence.

Slayer_22 , Heavy_D_Forever, Hop103, gatorsPENSbucs, bobbaaay and now Samurontai apparently.

I'm not on the right at all, but okay.

legendary_zell posted...

Almost every single person in this topic who is urging you to reject the binary or saying the left is as bad as the right is identifiably on the right. That's not a coincidence.

legendary_zell posted...

gatorsPENSbucs

legendary_zell posted...

But I usually keep pretty good track of these things.

Lol apparently you dont, so

legendary_zell posted...

I'm wrong, then I apologize

No worries, apology accepted.

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bobbaaay posted...

I'm not on the right at all, but okay.

You definitely parroted one of the central pillars of modern conservative thought and considered it one of the worst thing happening. I'd call the assassination of truth, science, and neutral factual information by right wing media and thinktanks to be a far worse thing that happened to the discourse over the last 20 years. That's warped the existence of climate change into a culture war issue which has potential to kill the planet (for humans at least) and has helped bolster the current anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-science movement that's killing people in the midst of a global pandemic right now.

Considering people on Twitter going after people who they think did bad things worth mentioning compared to that is a pretty warped view of the world in a specifically 2021 conservative way. That and CRT is basically all conservatives care about at this point.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Lol apparently you dont, so

No worries, apology accepted.

You post in every single political topic and take the most obvious right wing view with absolute predictability. YOU of all people trying to deny that proves my point. If you're not right wing, who the fuck is? Does the right wing start at Hitler for you?

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legendary_zell posted...

You definitely parroted one of the central pillars of modern conservative thought and considered it one of the worst thing happening. I'd call the assassination of truth, science, and neutral factual information by right wing media and thinktanks to be a far worse thing that happened to the discourse over the last 20 years. That's warped the existence of climate change into a culture war issue which has potential to kill the planet (for humans at least) and has helped bolster the current anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-science movement that's killing people in the midst of a global pandemic right now.

Considering people on Twitter going after people who they think did bad things worth mentioning compared to that is a pretty warped view of the world in a specifically 2021 conservative way. That and CRT is basically all conservatives care about at this point.

I don't even know what the fuck CRT is? And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades.
That other stuff is bad, too - but you want 1984? Because we fucking have it from other civilians.

I don't have any conservative beliefs. I don't have any beliefs that are even remotely conservative. I just recognize that digital vigilantism is a self important, fucked up form of justice.
Edit: and I'm definitely not anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-global warming discourse, etc. or anything else you'd mentioned. Just because I disapprove of one thing doesn't mean I automatically approve of another.

Its true. Center is where you need to be.

Payzmaykr posted...

Its true. Center is where you need to be.

*looks at username*



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legendary_zell posted...

Unless I'm confusing you with someone else, I've seen you post about politics fairly often and it hasn't been in support of anything leftist or even liberal and proceeds on pretty culturally conservative assumptions. If I'm wrong, then I apologize. But I usually keep pretty good track of these things.

I am 100% not on the right.

In regards to the 'right' views you've probably seen me have: I don't support BLM as a movement, but support the individual people who want change. I support that police need reform but hate the idea that all cops are bastards(I know some cops, they are wonderful people on and off the job). And that's about all I remember talking about regarding more right leaning stuff?

Left leaning: Hate Trump with a passion, think everyone involved in the capitol situation needs to be arrested, and I think Bernie is awesome(sometimes he has moments that make me ???). And I hate most Republicans unless it's how they look. That solid snake fellow and his hilariously bad takes make me laugh.

I mostly focus on stuff that revolves around me specifically. BLM stuff scared the shit out of me because there was a Riot near my workplace, for example.

So I think you might be misremembering. I'm definitely not right.
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bobbaaay posted...

I don't even know what the fuck CRT is? And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades.
That other stuff is bad, too - but you want 1984? Because we fucking have it from other civilians.

I don't have any conservative beliefs. I don't have any beliefs that are even remotely conservative. I just recognize that digital vigilantism is a self important, fucked up form of justice.
Edit: and I'm definitely not anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-global warming discourse, etc. or anything else you'd mentioned. Just because I disapprove of one thing doesn't mean I automatically approve of another.

I'm only comparing the relative damage the different things have done, not accusing you of believing those things. That said, most people still say what they want, do what they want, vote for who they want, with or without this digital vigilantism. It affects and is carried about by a tiny subset of very online people. It is absolutely not the most fucked up thing to happen in decades. It's not in the top one trillion things.

Forever wars, growing economic inequality, environmental degradation, the death of investigative journalism, the decline of unions, a pandemic, economic collapses, genocides, regulatory capture, hypermobile capital, the atomization of society and culture, online echo chambers, etc are all each a thousand times worse than digital vigilantism. To call that the worst thing that's happened in decades is straight up bonkers and it's a narrative that's been pushed on you by the right, whether you've adopted other right wing attitudes or not.

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legendary_zell posted...

I'm only comparing the relative damage the different things have done, not accusing you of believing those things. That said, most people still say what they want, do what they want, vote for who they want, with or without this digital vigilantism. It affects and is carried about by a tiny subset of very online people. It is absolutely not the most fucked up thing to happen in decades. It's not in the top one trillion things.

Forever wars, growing economic inequality, environmental degradation, the death of investigative journalism, the decline of unions, a pandemic, economic collapses, genocides, regulatory capture, hypermobile capital, the atomization of society and culture, online echo chambers, etc are all each a thousand times worse than digital vigilantism. To call that the worst thing that's happened in decades is straight up bonkers and it's a narrative that's been pushed on you by the right, whether you've adopted other right wing attitudes or not.

How the fuck is an attitude of empathy, forgiveness, and education a "narrative pushed by the right"? Seriously fuck off accusing that belief as being inherently right wing.
It's what should actually be considered left, in a just world. You're a huge part of the problem if you don't realize that.

Slayer_22 posted...

I am 100% not on the right.

In regards to the 'right' views you've probably seen me have: I don't support BLM as a movement, but support the individual people who want change. I support that police need reform but hate the idea that all cops are bastards(I know some cops, they are wonderful people on and off the job). And that's about all I remember talking about regarding more right leaning stuff?

Left leaning: Hate Trump with a passion, think everyone involved in the capitol situation needs to be arrested, and I think Bernie is awesome(sometimes he has moments that make me ???). And I hate most Republicans unless it's how they look. That solid snake fellow and his hilariously bad takes make me laugh.

I mostly focus on stuff that revolves around me specifically. BLM stuff scared the shit out of me because there was a Riot near my workplace, for example.

So I think you might be misremembering. I'm definitely not right.

I never said that you were a Republican or a Nazi or something. I said you proceeded from culturally conservative assumptions, which is borne out by this post. You approach things in a very individual focused, non-systemic way and are focused on things that directly affect you. That's what I meant by culturally conservative.

It still wasn't right to put you in the same category as someone like gator or heavy d or now Payzmaykr. Now those guys are right wing. So I still apologize.

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I love when the right wing supported rehabilitation all those years! Such a strong, essential pillar of their ideologies. -_-

bobbaaay posted...

How the fuck is an attitude of empathy, forgiveness, and education a "narrative pushed by the right"? Seriously fuck off accusing that belief as being inherently right wing.
It's what should actually be considered left, in a just world. You're a huge part of the problem if you don't realize that.

You're replacing what I actually said AND what you actually said with something that's easier to defend. Your claim was that digital vigilantism is the worst thing to happen in the last few decades. I said that that specific claim is a right wing one. I didn't say anything about empathy or even that digital vigilantism is good. Just that the claim you made is a core pillar of the right wing worldview and placing that much importance on it is as well.


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bobbaaay posted...

I love when the right wing supported rehabilitation all those years! Such a strong, essential pillar of their ideologies. -_-

Yes, they've always supported shitty people being able to say whatever harmful things they want with no consequences and to have everyone shut up about it. That is in fact a pillar of their ideology.

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legendary_zell posted...

I never said that you were a Republican or a Nazi or something. I said you proceeded from culturally conservative assumptions, which is borne out by this post. You approach things in a very individual focused, non-systemic way and are focused on things that directly affect you. That's what I meant by culturally conservative.

It still wasn't right to put you in the same category as someone like gator or heavy d or now Payzmaykr. Now those guys are right wing. So I still apologize.

I just don't like being labeled, tbh. I don't mind if you want to call out my individual views but just labeling me stuff is frustrating.
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Shezarr posted...

Itp insufferable is just as bad as Nazis

ITP: "Both are bad" is the same thing as "both are just as bad".

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legendary_zell posted...

You're replacing what I actually said AND what you actually said with something that's easier to defend. Your claim was that digital vigilantism is the worst thing to happen in the last few decades. I said that that specific claim is a right wing one. I didn't say anything about empathy or even that digital vigilantism is good. Just that the claim you made is a core pillar of the right wing worldview and placing that much importance on it is as well.

No - I said it was the worst thing to happen to culture and discourse. I could've omitted the society part - because some of your examples do rival it in those regards. I do think that constant surveillance of others and living in constant fear over every single thing you say or do within sight of another human is as bad as the anti-science rhetoric.
I just think you're ridiculous to assign a right wing lean to being anti-digital vigilantism -- or suggest that conservatives are the ones pushing the narrative. As I said - it has to do with a strong belief in rehabilitation, education, empathy, etc. and is more a liberal belief than conservative. Conservatives mostly just care about digital vigilantism when it's affecting their famous ideologues. I care about it in all contexts.
I've seen videos of people being recorded without consent who had clear signs of drug abuse, mental health issues, homelessness, etc. It's one step up from Bum Fights. It's Bum Fights with a self important desire to prove you're morally superior - which is honestly kind of worse in a way.

bobbaaay posted...

I'm not on the right at all, but okay.

I love how he labeled us as right wing simply because we don't 100% agree with everything he believes. Apparently having independent thoughts makes you right wing?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I love how he labeled us as right wing simply because we don't 100% agree with everything he believes. Apparently having independent thoughts makes you right wing?

I call you conservative because you post conservative stuff and have for years. You aren't a borderline case. Lots of people disagree with me all the time and I don't call them conservative. I call you one because that's how you present yourself here.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I love how he labeled us as right wing simply because we don't 100% agree with everything he believes. Apparently having independent thoughts makes you right wing?

The left and right paradigm has no sense of vertical.

I fully admit to being an absurd libertarian loon. I just don't know if that's "up" or "down", or what the other direction even is.

legendary_zell posted...

I call you conservative because you post conservative stuff and have for years. You aren't a borderline case. Lots of people disagree with me all the time and I don't call them conservative. I call you one because that's how you present yourself here.

and I guess I'm conservative because I support rehabilitation, education, trying to better other people, and understanding mental health and drug abuse.

Robot2600 posted...

Yea. Fucking. Right.

One of the sides is clearly worse than the other.

And if you can't see that, you're probably a bigot.

Considering what he seems to think about trans people, you're not wrong

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bobbaaay posted...

No - I said it was the worst thing to happen to culture and discourse. I could've omitted the society part - because some of your examples do rival it in those regards. I do think that constant surveillance of others and living in constant fear over every single thing you say or do within sight of another human is as bad as the anti-science rhetoric.
I just think you're ridiculous to assign a right wing lean to being anti-digital vigilantism -- or suggest that conservatives are the ones pushing the narrative. As I said - it has to do with a strong belief in rehabilitation, education, empathy, etc. and is more a liberal belief than conservative. Conservatives mostly just care about digital vigilantism when it's affecting their famous ideologues. I care about it in all contexts.
I've seen videos of people being recorded without consent who had clear signs of drug abuse, mental health issues, homelessness, etc. It's one step up from Bum Fights. It's Bum Fights with a self important desire to prove you're morally superior - which is honestly kind of worse in a way.

"And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades."

That's what you said and that's fundamentally absurd. Again, it's not simply being against digital vigilantism and pointless, destructive, holier than thou behavior. I'm pretty sure the Chapo Traphouse guys hate that stuff and they are certainly left wing. It's calling it the worst thing to happen to society that is right wing framing.

Saying that implies that we need to focus on getting people to stop calling out other people on Twitter rather than focusing on things that "rival" digital vigilantism. They don't rival it, they are real world problems and digital vigilantism does not affect what the vast majority of people do irl, while everything I listed controls our lives. Saying that's the worst thing happening leads to exactly the type of narrow grievance politics that drives the right today where people are brought in by obsession with cancel culture and then vote for a party that turns around and strips their healthcare. They love that shit.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The left and right paradigm has no sense of vertical.

I fully admit to being an absurd libertarian loon. I just don't know if that's "up" or "down", or what the other direction even is.

There's a reason that I didn't include you in the list. You know and admit what you are. These others seem to genuinely think they're "centrists" despite absolutely despising the left and having little to say about 4 years of Trumpist fuckery.

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bobbaaay posted...

and I guess I'm conservative because I support rehabilitation, education, trying to better other people, and understanding mental health and drug abuse.

We already went over this. If you want, I'll revise my statement to say that you share a core misconception about the main thing wrong with the world with conservatives. That actually is much better than sharing all of them.

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legendary_zell posted...

having little to say about 4 years of Trumpist fuckery

To be fair, I was there until the electoral vote happened on December 23.

legendary_zell posted...

You post in every single political topic

Hey its alright to admit when youre wrong

legendary_zell posted...

take the most obvious right wing view with absolute predictability.

Again, its okay to admit youre wrong

legendary_zell posted...

If you're not right wing, who the fuck is?

I have no idea, and dont ever really plan to know. I think I did a what side are you test once and I wound up on the left. So, homey, pretty much

legendary_zell posted...

I'm wrong, then I apologize

Apology accepted again

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Too many quotes so I gotta do a double post

@legendary_zell like I said I dont do political stuff so let me know if these are left or right views.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Same. A solid chunk of my moderations on this site have been dealing with that.

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Choice

undefined posted...

Mr Willie Jones said you dont need a gun, and I took that advice seriously.

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legendary_zell posted...

"And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades."

That's what you said and that's fundamentally absurd. Again, it's not simply being against digital vigilantism and pointless, destructive, holier than thou behavior. I'm pretty sure the Chapo Traphouse guys hate that stuff and they are certainly left wing. It's calling it the worst thing to happen to society that is right wing framing.

Saying that implies that we need to focus on getting people to stop calling out other people on Twitter rather than focusing on things that "rival" digital vigilantism. They don't rival it, they are real world problems and digital vigilantism does not affect what the vast majority of people do irl, while everything I listed controls our lives. Saying that's the worst thing happening leads to exactly the type of narrow grievance politics that drives the right today where people are brought in by obsession with cancel culture and then vote for a party that turns around and strips their healthcare. They love that shit.

I said culturally and regarding discourse. I don't know why you're quoting "rival," when clearly I was implying the examples you gave were beyond cultural or conversational.

And yes, it DOES affect every thing I do in my personal life, honestly. I'm in constant fear of other humans whenever I'm outside or in public.

I also never claimed to be a centrist, if you're lumping me again. So what the fuck?
Again, I fucking care about understanding humans and trying to better them. I'm sooo conservative or centrist

I've been using the internet since it was publicly available in 1995. I've seen people get doxxed and have their lives ruined online long before the term "cancel" was a thing or nearly as popular or widespread as it is now.