Current Events > They've paused search and rescue efforts at the Surfside condo, And....

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And they plan to demolish the rest of the condo...
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article252556248.html

They probably won't find everyone :/

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Sad. Thats over 120 people unaccounted for and already 24 found dead. The only peace of mind I have is it happened at night when they were sleeping. And it happened fast.

They really don't have a choice. There's a hurricane blowing in and it still being classified as "Search and rescue" means there's a limit to the size of the machinery they can use.
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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I can't believe that they thought they would find anyone alive in that rubble.

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Crazy

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I assume the risk of the rest of the building falling has been the reason why the search has taken so long. Thats so many yet to be found.

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billcom6 posted...

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I can't believe that they thought they would find anyone alive in that rubble.

probably not, but finding them regardless is still ideal. So many families are going to have just come to terms with the fact that they probably won't even get to lay their loved ones body to rest...its really fucked.

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billcom6 posted...

I don't mean to be a pessimist, but I can't believe that they thought they would find anyone alive in that rubble.

Supposedly for the first two days there was a womans voice coming from a section of the pile.

It stopped though.

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iPhone_7 posted...

I assume the risk of the rest of the building falling has been the reason why the search has taken so long. Thats so many yet to be found.

No it's because if you're doing S+R you can't use heavy machinery.
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divot1338 posted...

Supposedly for the first two days there was a womans voice coming from a section of the pile.

It stopped though.

Sadly anyone down there likely has died from the lack of water. That doesn't even factor in the myriad of other problems. 99% chance everyone missing is now dead or they were not at the condo at the time of the collapse.

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I think they knew from the start that they wouldn't find many people (or anyone) alive, but they still had to try. It's just an awful situation from all perspectives.

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Whoever owns that building has a heavy price to pay

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divot1338 posted...

Supposedly for the first two days there was a womans voice coming from a section of the pile.

It stopped though.

what the fuck, is this true?

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Kingbuffet posted...

Sad. Thats over 120 people unaccounted for and already 24 found dead. The only peace of mind I have is it happened at night when they were sleeping. And it happened fast.

Except for.some of them, that were woken up by the first part falling, just long enough to be awake for theirs to falled.

Im sure none of you guys thought of this, but life insurance wont pay out unless theres a body.

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Blue_Inigo posted...

Whoever owns that building has a heavy price to pay

Imagine if you lived a perfectly good life, no broke any laws, not one speeding ticket and your young life ends with no warning because greedy landlords cant upkeep maintenance in the home your life in. Thats what can happen in America

The building wasn't owned by a landlord, the owner of each unit was an partial owner of the building since it is a condo. Some people may have rented from unit owners though.


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From what I've read there's an association of owners.

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YellowSUV posted...

The building wasn't owned by a landlord, the owner of each unit was an partial owner of the building since it is a condo. Some people may have rented from unit owners though.

Blue_Inigo posted...

From what I've read there's an association of owners.

So its the governing body of those condos at fault.

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DeathDeathSong posted...

what the fuck, is this true?

It was on the news.

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Has it been determined how/why the building collapsed?
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emblem boy posted...

Has it been determined how/why the building collapsed?

No, but it is probably a combination of factors.

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Kingbuffet posted...

Imagine if you lived a perfectly good life, no broke any laws, not one speeding ticket and your young life ends with no warning because greedy landlords cant upkeep maintenance in the home your life in. Thats what can happen anywhere

YellowSUV posted...

No, but it is probably a combination of factors.

https://bit.ly/3qLCkRT
Link to a Guardian article.

Emails, letters, notes and presentations from meetings of the residents association board revealed infighting after an engineer found in 2018 that the building had major structural damage and recommended necessary but costly repairs.

Members raised concerns that the board was acting too slowly. In late 2019, five members of the seven-person board resigned in two weeks, citing frustration with the drawn-out debate.

The building is falling apart, wrote Marcelo Pena, a former board member, according to the New York Times. Somebody can seriously be injured or killed with the state of the concrete.

In a September 2019 letter resigning as president of the board, Anette Goldstein wrote of her frustration.
We work for months to go in one direction and at the very last minute objections are raised that should have been discussed and resolved right in the beginning, Goldstein wrote in the letter, obtained by the Washington Post.

This pattern has repeated itself over and over, ego battles, undermining the roles of fellow board members, circulation of gossip and mistruths.
One resident told the New York Times people recalled screaming and yelling at meetings.

The board was then working with condo owners to decide how to respond to the 2018 report. The engineer, Frank Morabito, was hired to assess the building in anticipation of a mandatory recertification process buildings in Miami and its surrounds must undergo every 40 years, to ensure structural and electrical safety.

It is likely to take months to investigate the cause of the collapse. But Morabitos report provides insight into the problems the building was facing.
Morabitos findings regarding the pool deck have attracted attention, as it appears a section collapsed into the parking garage moments before the building collapsed in the early hours of 24 June. One woman, currently unaccounted for, called her husband right before the collapse and said she saw a sinkhole where the pool used to be.

Morabito noted that waterproofing below the pool deck and drive had failed and was causing major structural damage to the concrete structural slab below these areas.

A major error in the development of the building saw the waterproofing laid on a flat surface rather than a slanted one, which would allow water to drain. Morabito noted that replacing the waterproofing would be extremely expensive and disruptive.

As debate over repairs continued, the price tag of such repairs rose from $9m to $15m. Each unit would have been expected to pay between $80,000 and $200,000, according to the New York Times.

In April, the board agreed to pay $15m for repairs, according to the Washington Post. One former member of the board told the New York Times it had taken out credit to help meet such payments.

But that same month, dozens of residents signed a letter, obtained by the Washington Post, that asked the board to consider lowering the cost of repairs, saying: We cannot afford an assessment that doubles the amount of the maintenance dues currently being paid.

It appears repairs were due to start. In May, according to the Miami Herald, the board reached out to Surfside officials, asking for approval for major plans.
On Friday, as search and rescue operations continued, a building a few miles away was evacuated. A review prompted by the Surfside collapse deemed the building unsafe.

On Saturday, the city announced an emergency order to demolish the standing portion of Champlain Towers South.

Inaction killed these people.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

https://bit.ly/3qLCkRT
Link to a Guardian article.

Wtf. So stupid
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Explosives bring down rest of Surfside condo building

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/07/04/surfside-condo-collapse-champlain-towers-south-building-demolished-safety-concerns/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot