Current Events > Is Vegeta (DBZ/DBS) a jobber?

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I love the character but it seems his job is to get his ass kicked so goku can win the day. Has he defeated any important enemy who is not androids 19 and 20?

Goku is the main character

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He beat Goku.

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He has too many victories to be a jobber, but the writer (Akira Toiryama?) clearly delights in making him look like a tool when he can.

Most of his victories are to extremely irrelevant enemies.

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Recoom (90s dub) is the best character in the series.

Returning_CEmen posted...

Goku is the main character

That doesn't mean he has to win all the time vs all enemies

It'd have been cool if every once in a while piccolo and vegeta were given a chance to shine. Send goku to train with whateverwhoever in the chamber of time or whatever so he is not around and then vegeta saves the day in one arc, or maybe even piccolo after fusing with new-namek-character and temporarily becoming the most powerful character for like, 3 episodes until goku and vegeta surpass him again.

even trunks surpasses vegeta

another scotty alt

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matchboxsantana posted...

Has he defeated any important enemy who is not androids 19 and 20?

He beat Toppo, which I'd consider important since him and Goku were the only ones capable of beating him on Universe 7's team. Probably the most notable character he's beaten without assistance.

But yeah other than that he's usually a jobber.

Srk700 posted...

He beat Toppo. Probably the most notable character he's beaten without assistance.

that was exciting. that tournament was very exciting, even the likes of Roshi got their time to shine.

Though I will never understand how #17 got so powerful and wise and became such a bro just by hanging out with animals at the countryside

matchboxsantana posted...

that was exciting. that tournament was very exciting, even the likes of Roshi got their time to shine.

Though I will never understand how #17 got so powerful and wise and became such a bro just by hanging out with animals at the countryside

You ask this but don't question Roshi getting stronger just sitting around drinking and being a pervert?

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He's the grandaddy of jobbers
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Irony posted...

You ask this but don't question Roshi getting stronger just sitting around drinking and being a pervert?

I sort of assumed Roshi kept training and training others, while 17 used his shotgun and hung out with cuddly animals. But you have a point.

Toriyama's fetish for embarrassing Vegeta (and Tien) are my two biggest gripes with the show.

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matchboxsantana posted...

I sort of assumed Roshi kept training and training others, while 17 used his shotgun and hung out with cuddly animals. But you have a point.

No amount of training would ever make Roshi near what he was. He establishes himself he hit the limit of his potential in Dragonball.

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Gohan is the biggest potential turned failure in DB history

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This latest arc might have him become the hero

Then again, the Morro arc had this twist too...

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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...

Gohan is the biggest potential turned failure in DB history

easily.

Rumor has it he was going to be Goku's successor but there was fan backlash so Toriyama turned him into a scrub and kept goku as # 1

Irony posted...

matchboxsantana posted...

I sort of assumed Roshi kept training and training others, while 17 used his shotgun and hung out with cuddly animals. But you have a point.

No amount of training would ever make Roshi near what he was. He establishes himself he hit the limit of his potential in Dragonball.

He's gotten wiser over the years. He also went through intense training with Puar.
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People think that sidelined characters received power boosts for the ToP, but it could also be that Whis is training Goku and Vegeta wrong as a joke.

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sabin017 posted...

People think that sidelined characters received power boosts for the ToP, but it could also be that Whis is training Goku and Vegeta wrong as a joke.

lmao

He's a weird one because he has the highest kill count of the main cast, but he also definitely gets his ass kicked a lot.

But ultimately I think yes. Most of his wins are against mini-boss fodder, and when he loses a fight, hereally loses. Like gets completely annihilated and then Goku has to step in to save the day.
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lilORANG posted...

He's a weird one because he has the highest kill count of the main cast, but he also definitely gets his ass kicked a lot.

But ultimately I think yes. Most of his wins are against mini-boss fodder, and when he loses a fight, hereally loses. Like gets completely annihilated and then Goku has to step in to save the day.

yeah he cries or gets his arm broken or begs and stuff like that, it's pretty bad

Vegeta showed up with his super special awesome Super Saiyan powers specifically to get his shit rocked by a teen girl in a Hot Topic jacket.

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He's only allowed to win if Goku isn't around

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The ending to Resurrection F literally spat on Vegeta.

My man Vegeta was about to get revenge on the man that killed him, killed his father, and was responsible for the genocide of his entire race which he was destined to lead... yet in the last 30 seconds of the movie they pull some time travel bullshit out of their ass so Goku can save the day again because God forbid Vegeta get the W.

Super is literal trash.

No.

Vegetas Dinobot

Roshi pulling off UI during the tournament is still the biggest ass-pull character development I've ever seen.

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gamer167 posted...

The ending to Resurrection F literally spat on Vegeta.

My man Vegeta was about to get revenge on the man that killed him, killed his father, and was responsible for the genocide of his entire race which he was destined to lead... yet in the last 30 seconds of the movie they pull some time travel bullshit out of their ass so Goku can save the day again because God forbid Vegeta get the W.

Super is literal trash.

https://youtu.be/zQM3IMfGtU0

The true ending

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Jobbers never win and at the bottom the card. Vegeta is like the #2 guy on the card when theres a megastar always at #1.

Hes the early 90s Buffalo Bills.

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gamer167 posted...

The ending to Resurrection F literally spat on Vegeta.

My man Vegeta was about to get revenge on the man that killed him, killed his father, and was responsible for the genocide of his entire race which he was destined to lead... yet in the last 30 seconds of the movie they pull some time travel bullshit out of their ass so Goku can save the day again because God forbid Vegeta get the W.

Super is literal trash.

The ending to the most recent arc was even worse for Vegeta honestly

I'm not even a Vegeta fan and I felt bad for him

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No, jobber's don't get the second most screen time in the show. Jobbers are dudes who hang around the roster who's only purpose is to get into the ring and lose. Perhaps if the only way you can conceptualize media like this is a win record then you could make a really poor argument, but clearly Vegeta's narrative role fulfills WAY more than a jobber's burden--Goku's rival, Goku's training partner, a foil to Goku's personality, plus a dynamic character arc where he went from a geneocidal maniac under the employ of a space tyrant to a caring father, husband, and protector of the planet he originally appeared to destroy.

The dudes that lost to Hulk Hogan weren't jobbers just because they almost always lost to him. They played an important role in the storylines that were being told.

The closest to a jobber is probably Yamcha. The audience isn't intended to invest in him, and he's an easy character for any minion or mook to beat up to prove a point. Tien is the next closest. Krillin tends to lose a lot but he is more important to the story than just proving the power of the bad guys.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

No, jobber's don't get the second most screen time in the show.

Uh yeah they do, appearing a lot is actually a requirement

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

No, jobber's don't get the second most screen time in the show. Jobbers are dudes who hang around the roster who's only purpose is to get into the ring and lose. Perhaps if the only way you can conceptualize media like this is a win record then you could make a really poor argument, but clearly Vegeta's narrative role fulfills WAY more than a jobber's burden--Goku's rival, Goku's training partner, a foil to Goku's personality, plus a dynamic character arc where he went from a geneocidal maniac under the employ of a space tyrant to a caring father, husband, and protector of the planet he originally appeared to destroy.

The dudes that lost to Hulk Hogan weren't jobbers just because they almost always lost to him. They played an important role in the storylines that were being told.

The closest to a jobber is probably Yamcha. The audience isn't intended to invest in him, and he's an easy character for any minion or mook to beat up to prove a point. Tien is the next closest. Krillin tends to lose a lot but he is more important to the story than just proving the power of the bad guys.

lol fucking yamcha, haha that is right

Yamcha is popular in Japan, which is the funniest thing.

I think a lot of it is due to his VA.

But he's always been my favorite because I like wolves.

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SkyUmbreon posted...

Yamcha is popular in Japan, which is the funniest thing.

I think a lot of it is due to his VA.

But he's always been my favorite because I like wolves.

wolves deserve better than yamcha

in movies vegeta jobbing bad aka movie 13.

Irony posted...

Uh yeah they do, appearing a lot is actually a requirement

No, they don't. That would be insanity. You slot your stars into the major storylines, you give your stars lots of promos, and you give your stars long matches near the top of the card.

A jobber can be gainfully employed for a long time. They can wrestle a lot of matches. But there's a difference between wrestling 200 matches that are 6 minutes long in the dark matches and bottom undercard and wrestling 300 matches that are building towards Pay-Per-View cards and main evenets.

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