Current Events > Current World Health Organization guidelines on COVID vaccines for children

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Directly from the World Health Organization's Website:
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/safety-of-covid-19-vaccines

Safety of COVID-19 vaccines for children
COVID-19 vaccine trials for children are currently under way, and when results become available, WHO will provide updated guidance for vaccination in children. Vaccine trials targeting adults were prioritized because COVID-19 has proven to be a more serious and dangerous disease among older populations.

Following proven health measures is still the best way to keep everyone, including children, safe from COVID-19. This includes keeping hands clean, practising sneezing and coughing into bent elbows, opening windows, wearing a mask if age-appropriate, and continuing physical distancing.

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You really didn't need to make this its own topic

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ZMythos posted...

You really didn't need to make this its own topic

I'm just sharing the literal factual data directly from the WHO because the previous topic that contained it was taken down.

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Cpt_Pineapple posted...

tl;dr

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Cpt_Pineapple posted...

tl;dr

They still have to wear a mask.

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BlueTigerLion posted...

They still have to wear a mask.

And for now the WHO does not recommend children be vaccinated.

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joe40001 posted...

And for now the WHO does not recommend children be vaccinated.

Wasnt the WHO completely discredited over how the originally handled the pandemic anyways? Why would we believe what they say over the CDC when the CDC has handled the pandemic a million times better.

daynlokki posted...

Wasnt the WHO completely discredited over how the originally handled the pandemic anyways? Why would we believe what they say over the CDC when the CDC has handled the pandemic a million times better.

Personally I believe what the science says, neither has done a great job being accurate with that, but for people who just want to appeal to singular authorities the WHO is being most responsible on this particularly issue relative to the CDC and FDA.

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

"Who Should Get Vaccinated
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is recommended for people 12 years and older.
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Safety Data Summary
In clinical trials, reactogenicity symptoms (side effects that happen within 7 days of getting vaccinated) were common but were mostly mild. Some people had side effects that affected their ability to do daily activities.
Side effects (such as fever, chills, tiredness, and headache) throughout the body were more common after the second dose of the vaccine.
CDC will continue to provide updates as we learn more about the safety of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in real-world conditions."

I'm not seeing based on this topic with no other context how TC is being a science-denying slimeball, so someone please explain it to me, as that is obviously always the case.

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joe40001 posted...

And for now the WHO does not recommend children be vaccinated.

Where does it say that, or are you just implying that? WHO would specifically say that it is not recommended to vaccinate them if they did.

You're literally posting shit from March 31st

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice




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Imagine literally posting an article that is outdated and going WOOP!!!!

Please look at the actual date the Pfizer vaccine was granted emergency use for children.


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Why aren't you endlessly bumping this and making a second topic once it hits 500?

Sexypwnstar posted...

Where does it say that, or are you just implying that? WHO would specifically say that it is not recommended to vaccinate them if they did.

You're literally posting shit from March 31st

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

It's what they are currently hosting on their website under "safety-of-covid-19-vaccines". It is their current stance.

From the paragraph you ciricled in red:

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) [Not the WHO itself] has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.

Also, right above it:
WHO SHOULD GET VACCINATED
The COVID-19 vaccines are safe for most people 18 years and older

ButteryMales posted...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html

"Who Should Get Vaccinated
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is recommended for people 12 years and older.
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Safety Data Summary
In clinical trials, reactogenicity symptoms (side effects that happen within 7 days of getting vaccinated) were common but were mostly mild. Some people had side effects that affected their ability to do daily activities.
Side effects (such as fever, chills, tiredness, and headache) throughout the body were more common after the second dose of the vaccine.
CDC will continue to provide updates as we learn more about the safety of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in real-world conditions."

Yes, that's the CDC, which is not the same as the WHO.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I'm not seeing based on this topic with no other context how TC is being a science-denying slimeball, so someone please explain it to me, as that is obviously always the case.

I'm simply sharing the WHO's current guidance, which is not to have children vaccinated until more results are in. This is their current stance. I'm sharing their current stance so people can know what the WHO's current stance is.

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It's weird how mad people are getting at me for literally sharing the exact current guidance of the World Health Organization.

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joe40001 posted...

It's what they are currently hosting on their website under "safety-of-covid-19-vaccines". It is their current stance.

From the paragraph you ciricled in red:

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) [Not the WHO itself] has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.

Learn to read or do you not think a 12 year old is a child?


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Sexypwnstar posted...

Learn to read or do you not think a 12 year old is a child?

The literal begining of the sentence you are in says that this is the conclusion of the "WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE)" this is not the same thing as the official policy of the WHO. This is what their advisory group said, but even so the WHO knows the responsible thing is to wait until there is a lot of robust evidence: They haven't yet changed their policy. (It's the very next sentence that you aren't reading, apparently)

A bunch of people saying "this seems safe" is not the same as making the official declaration that it is your policy that it IS safe.

Do you even understand why we have vaccine trials in the first place? It's to conclude with relative certainty that the thing you think is probably safe is indeed actually safe.

The WHO's current policy is the policy I shared, adults should get vaccinated, but when it comes to kids 12+:
"Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."

And obviously they are not saying anybody <12 should be vaccinated at this time.

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joe40001 posted...

The literal begining of the sentence you are in says that this is the conclusion of the "WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE)" this is not the same thing as the official policy of the WHO. This is what their advisory group said, but even so the WHO knows the responsible thing is to wait until there is a lot of robust evidence: They haven't yet changed their policy. (It's the very next sentence that you aren't reading, apparently)

A bunch of people saying "this seems safe" is not the same as making the official declaration that it is your policy that it IS safe.

Do you even understand why we have vaccine trials in the first place? It's to conclude with relative certainty that the thing you think is probably safe is indeed actually safe.

The WHO's current policy is the policy I shared, adults should get vaccinated, but when it comes to kids 12+:
"Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."

And obviously they are not saying anybody <12 should be vaccinated at this time.

https://www.who.int/groups/strategic-advisory-group-of-experts-on-immunization/about

So are you just trolling or do you not think that their recommendations are using EBM?

No, their current policy and guidance is not the one you shared, you just shared a news article that isn't current. Do you know when the Pfizer vaccine was approved for ages >12? Obviously you don't.

Their guidance is the link I posted, what the fuck do you think a news room is?


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Are there doctors and pharmacies making up shit as they go and offering vaccines to whatever child walks in?

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But the page was updated on June 22 to include a June 15 advisory from the WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts that concluded the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is safe for anyone age 12 or older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7778033002

Troll topic. User was purposely using an outdated source for a false narrative.

daynlokki posted...

But the page was updated on June 22 to include a June 15 advisory from the WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts that concluded the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is safe for anyone age 12 or older.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7778033002

Troll topic. User was purposely using an outdated source for a false narrative.

You are citing the USA today to "fact-check" the WHO's information, and the USA today's source is the WHO link we've been talking about:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

Read the source itself:

WHO SHOULD GET VACCINATED
The COVID-19 vaccines are safe for most people 18 years and older, including those with pre-existing conditions of any kind, including auto-immune disorders. These conditions include: hypertension, diabetes, asthma, pulmonary, liver and kidney disease, as well as chronic infections that are stable and controlled.
If supplies are limited in your area, discuss your situation with your care provider if you:
Have a compromised immune system
Are pregnant (if you are already breastfeeding, you should continue after vaccination)
Have a history of severe allergies, particularly to a vaccine (or any of the ingredients in the vaccine)
Are severely frail

Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults, so unless they are part of a group at higher risk of severe COVID-19, it is less urgent to vaccinate them than older people, those with chronic health conditions and health workers.

More evidence is needed on the use of the different COVID-19 vaccines in children to be able to make general recommendations on vaccinating children against COVID-19.

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy.

It's important for children to continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.

That is explicitly what the WHO says. You can't use USA today to tell the WHO what the WHO is actually saying.

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On the top of the page:
English version last updated on 22 June 2021 to reflect 15 June 2021 SAGE interim recommendations on the Pfizer/BionTech COVID-19 vaccine.

SAGE Interim Recommendations are not the official stance of the WHO, notice the WHO explicitly says Adults should get vaccinated, they do not say that about children, they just say "this group of experts we consulted says the vaccine is suitable for children 12+"

People are trying to debunk me by posting the same WHO source I'm referring to. The WHO policy is not currently recommending the vaccine for children. Just read exactly what the World Health Organization says.

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I fact-checked Reuters, I know how to read. Many others here keeps (willfully?) misreading the explicit words of the WHO.

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ButteryMales posted...

Why aren't you endlessly bumping this and making a second topic once it hits 500?

> Children shouldn't get the vaccine until it's proven to be safe and effective

> People should take ivermectin if they want because it might be proven safe and effective

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hockeybub89 posted...

Children shouldn't get the vaccine until it's proven to be safe and effective

Pfizer-BioNTech has been proven safe and effective by both the CDC and WHO's SAGE.

ButteryMales posted...

Pfizer-BioNTech has been proven safe and effective by both the CDC and WHO's SAGE.

Proof is a very high bar to cross. But we should at least be attempting to cross the lowest EUA bars we are setting for ourselves, and we should acknowledge "EUA doesn't mean letting everything through".

The whole point of the EUA is that at any point it can be revoked if evidence suggests their are problems. That's why the J&J vaccine was briefly stopped. If you reject the possibility there could be yet unknown risks you are rejecting the explicit mindset of the EUA.

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Fine ill just vaccinate my kids at home

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I think its time everyone just puts this joker on ignore

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TheGoldenEel posted...

I think its time everyone just puts this joker on ignore

Dont tell me what to do friend

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hockeybub89 posted...

> Children shouldn't get the vaccine until it's proven to be safe and effective

If something is unsafe or if it's safety is unknown you should be careful about it. And in children the safety has not met many people's standard. That said I wouldn't advise against it in adults and in children I'm like many scientists which currently aren't willing to recommend for it.

> People should take ivermectin if they want because it might be proven safe and effective

It is known to be safe, it's effectiveness is inconclusive.

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joe40001 posted...

It is known to be safe

A safe dog medicine. We have no idea the long term effects as a human antiviral.

ButteryMales posted...

A safe dog medicine. We have no idea the long term effects as a human antiviral.

You know humans take it all the time right?

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I don't know why TC hasn't been harshly moderated yet for continually shilling fucking dog medicine and covid disinfo

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Shezarr posted...

I don't know why TC hasn't been harshly moderated yet for continually shilling fucking dog medicine and covid disinfo

Whats the fuckin point no one is listening and rushing out to get this shit

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joe40001 posted...

You know humans take it all the time right?

Not as an anti-viral. Humans take the covid vaccine all the time too.

Shezarr posted...

I don't know why TC hasn't been harshly moderated yet for continually shilling fucking dog medicine and covid disinfo

It's a human medicine, there is peer reviewed medical RCT data on it's effectiveness, pretty much every scientist is saying it's at the very least worth further research.

If we get to the point we ban peer reviewed RCT meta-analysis we are totally in a dystopian world.

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metallica846 posted...

Fully approved drugs can be pulled as well.

Sure, but surely you acknowledge how the EUA makes things different.

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joe: WHO doesnt say vaccine is safe for children.

Also joe: *posts link that says WHO group says vaccine is safe for 12+ year olds*

K.
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metallica846 posted...

Yes, but you almost make it sound like they just said fuck it lets see what happens. Its pretty fucking safe and working better than we could even imagine.

So far it seem quite safe, but there was a little bit of understandable "fuck it" when it comes to steps in the process.

The important part of the process is monitoring it and being honest about potential risks. It bothers me when people seem to want to act like it is 100% known to be 100% safe. That's just not how science works, particularly fast tracked science.

We are reasonably confident it is quite safe and effective, but it is true that the WHO's current policy doesn't even recommend it for children. I think if you ask a lot of people they wouldn't know about that, or VAERS or anything else

It's still easily the best option, but suppressing good science or discussion doesn't help things. Even if you really care about everybody getting vaccinated, gaslighting and lying to the public about the relatively minor risks is not a way to get their trust.

I think we'd have even more vaccine compliance if the powers that be were honest from the get-go about what we did and didn't know about the virus and all science surrounding it.

Vaccine compliance would be higher and society would be better off if people were honest and transparent from the start.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

joe: WHO doesnt say vaccine is safe for children.

Also joe: *posts link that says WHO group says vaccine is safe for 12+ year olds*

K.

"WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination. Vaccine trials for children are ongoing and WHO will update its recommendations when the evidence or epidemiological situation warrants a change in policy."

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joe40001 posted...

It bothers me when people seem to want to act like it is 100% known to be 100% safe.

Yet you act like dog medicine meant for worms is 100% known to be 100% safe as an anti-viral.

Viruses mutate, any unforeseen consequence applies to ivermectin as much as the vaccines.

The first thing you posted literally says that the most effective thing FOR ALL PEOPLE is wearing masks, washing hands, and staying away from crowds.

Which is true.

Bear mace is designed to help in the event of a bear attack. What is more effective? Avoiding places and situations where you would encounter a bear.

You are entirely missing the point.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

The first thing you posted literally says that the most effective thing FOR ALL PEOPLE is wearing masks, washing hands, and staying away from crowds.

Which is true.

Bear mace is designed to help in the event of a bear attack. What is more effective? Avoiding places and situations where you would encounter a bear.

You are entirely missing the point.

The original image I posted is about kids and how the WHO is not advising kids to get vaccinated at this time.

But what point am I missing?

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joe40001 posted...

The original image I posted is about kids and how the WHO is not advising kids to get vaccinated at this time.

But what point am I missing?

Following proven health measures is still the best way to keep everyone, including children, safe from COVID-19. This includes keeping hands clean, practising sneezing and coughing into bent elbows, opening windows, wearing a mask if age-appropriate, and continuing physical distancing.

Everyone. Literally says that everyone should follow these rules, adults included.

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joe40001 posted...

And for now the WHO does not recommend children be vaccinated.

Because they want the doses to go to other countries. But politicians would be destroyed if they ignored the clear study evidence there is and weren't vaccinating 12-17 year olds.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Following proven health measures is still the best way to keep everyone, including children, safe from COVID-19. This includes keeping hands clean, practising sneezing and coughing into bent elbows, opening windows, wearing a mask if age-appropriate, and continuing physical distancing.

Everyone. Literally says that everyone should follow these rules, adults included.

I don't understand where you think that goes against what I'm saying.

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