Current Events > People are ignoring the root of vaccine hesitancy. Stupidity.

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We need to find out how to sell the virus to these idiots at this point. The only commonality across races, genders, societies, religions, is that the vaccine hesitant people are generally dumber than dog shit. Their average IQ is below 90 and we need to accept that and stop pretending we can make an appeal to reason or talk about the statistical likelyhood of suffering from the virus vs the vaccine.

These people are, as a group, too fucking stupid to understand math or logic. If you start talking statistics their eyes will glaze over. If you talk about ow the vaccine works they will panic.

The vaccine lottery is a start but we need to think of more ways that these drooling morons can be convinced to take the shot.

Show me your math that went into your decision to get the vaccine TC.

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Maybe they just dont care if they get it and die?

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There are certain people who just happen to be convinced of a certain way of thinking. Part of it is lack of intelligence, but part of it is also lifelong brainwashing (which isn't necessarily a mark of intellect).

Going on and on about stupid people are solves absolutely nothing.

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Flauros posted...

Maybe they just dont care if they get it and die?

They don't want to die. They just are more scared of doing something to prevent death than doing nothing.

hbomberguy's video on the history of the antivax movement is really informative (albeit nearly two hours long).

https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc


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What is your iq exactly?

Fear of needles, but wanting to not look like a giant wimp, is the root of vaccine hesitancy actually.

Males know that they'd be mocked for saying "Needles scare me" so they make up something about vaccines being uneffective, or being a Government control tool, or causing Autism.

As for women: same thing.

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I bet you thought this topic was fire.

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TC what data do you have to support that claim

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I would love to see the vaccine marketed like Bud Light.

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I know someone that doesnt trust any vaccine because possible long term effects

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pure_temper posted...

TC what data do you have to support that claim

What do people living trailer parks in Kansas and people living in Detroit have in common.

....... low vaccination rates. And that other thing.

https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/evidence-base/education-is-now-a-bigger-factor-than-race-in-desire-for-covid-19-vaccine/

Atralis posted...

What to people living trailer parks in Kansas and people living in Detroit have in common.

poverty

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I still haven't seen an argument where you couldn't plug in MMR for COVID-19 and it becomes a dumb fucking anti-vaxx argument that everyone used to agree to mock incessantly.

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the smartest people I all know generally don't care for the vaccine unless they're old enough to be in the risk group, because they all have antibodies from having had covid already tbh. or they got the vaxx two months ago or are just waiting because we have no more covid here for the most part. cases are basically going down still despite no more masks for like two months in some places already lmao


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Dakimakura posted...

poverty

And stupidity. Do you truly believe that if you did an IQ test for people refusing covid vaccines it wouldn't be laughably low? Look at the groups refusing vaccines at this point. These are the stupidest people in our country. That is the only thing they all have in common.

Can confirm. My mother is a very stupid anti-vaxxer. Very, very religious. Says everything is part of god's plan. "If I die, I die. It was my time. The vaccine will not help me to live any longer than god says." Nearly facepalmed my eye out when I heard that shit.

Atralis posted...

Do you truly believe that if you did an IQ test for people refusing covid vaccines it wouldn't be laughably low.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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NotBenBeckman posted...

Can confirm. My mother is a very stupid anti-vaxxer. Very, very religious. Says everything is part of god's plan. "If I die, I die. It was my time. The vaccine will not help me to live any longer than god says." Nearly facepalmed my eye out when I heard that shit.

may be true in some rare cases imo but generally you're supposed to do what is wisest for your own health, that's what the book teaches tbh. most people from the older generations are just too simple because they didn't have the benefit of the internet to learn so fast from. so they're still catching up with technology and wikipedia even, let alone reddit, etc.

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pure_temper posted...

the smartest people I all know generally don't care for the vaccine unless they're old enough to be in the risk group, because they all have antibodies from having had covid already tbh. or they got the vaxx two months ago or are just waiting because we have no more covid here for the most part. cases are basically going down still despite no more masks for like two months in some places already lmao

Or they're stupid fucking assholes who should be shipped off to an island for being selfish jerks that hate society

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Shadowplay posted...

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

lol shhh let them keep postin

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hockeybub89 posted...

Or they're stupid fucking assholes who should be shipped off to an island for being selfish jerks that hate society

shhhh hockeybub settle down now

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I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

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Shadowplay posted...

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I am living this right now and so are you. We take a view across society and see the people that aren't getting vaccinated and its the stupidest fucking people in our society. What is the counter argument?

"They are socially disadvantaged and undereducated and victims of society which is why they are so fucking dumb so you shouldn't call them stupid just became they are acting stupid"

I'm done prettying it up. If you are refusing vaccines at this point chances are its because you are a stupid person surrounded by other idiots.

FLOUR posted...

I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

No one gives a damn about your personal feelings. Vaccines aren't about you.

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what's your IQ tc?

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FLOUR posted...

I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

How about the scientific proof regarding the fatality rate of the virus and the infection rate of your county?

FLOUR posted...

I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

I was just about to say that thats not how it works. Even people with high iqs can be functionally dumb as fuck. Thanks for being a good example.


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the covid cases are lower than ever without masks around here for like a month+ lmao and some places pushing 3 months already

it makes no more difference and plenty of really smart ppl are ignoring it if they are not at risk whihc is perfectly fine

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I was responding to the opening post and it's absurd assumptions if you guys couldn't figure it out already.

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just enjoy life, have fun! Enjoy the summer. Go out there and conquer your greatest dreams ;)

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FLOUR posted...

I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

High-ish but I honestly shouldn't have even mentioned IQ as a concept.

My own basis for my judgement of my IQ is.... I was between 97-99% on the 'Iowa tests' as a kid. I got a 1480 on the SATs (740 math 740 verbal on the 1600 point one) at the end of high school which I bombed out of and the I joined the Army and got a 134 GT score on the ASVAB.

I then got a 3.9 GPA in Computer Science at a major university (Cu Boulder) using the GI bill.

I'm well aware of the fact that IQ doesn't equal smart decisions (which is obvious from me posting on a 20+ year old gamefaqs account) and I shouldn't have used it to trash people not getting the vaccine but honestly if you look at the people not getting vaccinated it is the poor and uneducated and they are going to suffer more than those of us that are not poor or uneducated.

pure_temper posted...

just enjoy life, have fun! Enjoy the summer. Go out there and conquer your greatest dreams ;)

Party on Garth

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Atralis posted...

I'm well aware of the fact that IQ doesn't equal smart decisions and I shouldn't have used it to trash people not getting the vaccine but honestly if you look at the people not getting vaccinated it is the poor and uneducated and they are going to suffer more than those of us that are not poor or uneducated.

what are you worried about then?

There is no such data on who is and is not being vaxxed at scale

you cannot extrapolate your own few examples onto a big population that way, you need lots more data

itd be interesting to know cuz then could do targeted ads or grants for those communities specifically but there just isnt that data afaik. Privacy laws make it impossible basically.

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CanadianMafK posted...

what are you worried about then?

It is a truth right now that if we are going to try to appeal to people to get the vaccine at this point we should aim low. I realize that IQ is a murky concept. But if we are trying to convince people at this point we should not be using Math. If someone was intelligent enough to understand statistics or understand an appeal to reason they would have already gotten the vaccine.

That is my point.

To maximize people getting the vaccine at this point when they have refused the offer of a way to avoid a virus that has killed millions of people we need to appeal to people as if they are the stupidest fucking people on the planet. Because they are.

They are either hopelessly paranoid and think that all of the data presented so far is some massive conspiracy or they are effectively adults in the bodies of children that don't want to get the vaccine because needles are owie.

FLOUR posted...

I have an IQ around 115 and a degree in mathematics. And I'm vaccine hesitant. Anytime I ask for scientific proof regarding vaccine safety, all I get are generalizations. So nice try.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Moderna.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness.html?s_cid=10464:covid%20vaccine%20results:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21#Research1

Regarding the risks of remaining unvaccinated:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.twincities.com/2021/06/18/nearly-all-new-minnesota-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-and-deaths-were-unvaccinated/amp/

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I don't get people who are afraid of needles lol they don't even hurt.

The shot-givers always love when I come in because idfc about the needle and we just have a pleasant conversation the entire time

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Atralis posted...

It is a truth right now that if we are going to try to appeal to people to get the vaccine at this point we should aim low. I realize that IQ is a murky concept. But if we are trying to convince people at this point we should not be using Math. If someone was intelligent enough to understand statistics or understand an appeal to reason they would have already gotten the vaccine.

That is my point.

To maximize people getting the vaccine at this point when they have refused the offer of a way to avoid a virus that has killed millions of people we need to appeal to people as if they are the stupidest fucking people on the planet. Because they are.

They are either hopelessly paranoid and think that all of the data presented so far is some massive conspiracy or they are effectively adults in the bodies of children that don't want to get the vaccine because needles are owie.

you have some serious anger issues

smart people don't make up statistics about the average IQ of a group of people

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pure_temper posted...

There is no such data on who is and is not being vaxxed at scale

you cannot extrapolate your own few examples onto a big population that way, you need lots more data

itd be interesting to know cuz then could do targeted ads or grants for those communities specifically but there just isnt that data afaik. Privacy laws make it impossible basically.

Shouldn't we not even have medical statistics if HIPAA worked the way people think it works? We figure out how many people get every disease known to man. I think we can get vaccine numbers without violating privacy laws.

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CanadianMafK posted...

you have some serious anger issues

What rational American in 2021 doesn't have anger issues when someone whines about the vaccine when we are seeing the light the end of the tunnel at the end of a pandemic?

At this point we just need to make it so that if someone died of covid after having been offered a vaccine they are considered uninsured and their assets are liquidated down to zero net worth for any care they received.

Society will try to keep them alive to the best of it's ability but insurance shouldn't have to cover that level of stupidity and you don't get to rack up 500,000 in hospital bills recovering from a preventable virus and still keep the equity in your home. If you get the virus and end up in the hospital we are humane, we keep you alive, and then we zero out all of your accounts to cover the cost.

"But Daddy why are we in an apartment instead of a house and you can't pay for our college".

Well son I got the covid and was too fucking stupid to get the vaccine so all of my medical care was covered by liquidating every cent of my net worth instead of being covered by my insurance".

Atralis posted...

What rational American in 2021 doesn't have anger issues when someone whines about the vaccine when we are seeing the light the end of the tunnel at the end of a pandemic?

At this point we just need to make it so that if someone died of covid after having been offered a vaccine they are considered uninsured and their assets are liquidated down to zero net worth for any care they received.

Society will try to keep them alive to the best of it's ability but insurance shouldn't have to cover that level of stupidity and you don't get to rack up 500,000 in hospital bills recovering from a preventable virus and still keep the equity in your home. If you get the virus and end up in the hospital we are humane, we keep you alive, and then we zero out all of your accounts to cover the cost.

should you do the same with car crash victims who dont wear seat belts? Cancer patients who had one too many sunburns? Suicide victims who couldnt complete the task? What a stupid thing to say....

CliniqueFire posted...

Fear of needles, but wanting to not look like a giant wimp, is the root of vaccine hesitancy actually.

Males know that they'd be mocked for saying "Needles scare me" so they make up something about vaccines being uneffective, or being a Government control tool, or causing Autism.

As for women: same thing.

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isnt every state fully reopen already? Like we are. Its awesome. Covid is over dudes

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pure_temper posted...

isnt every state fully reopen already? Like we are. Its awesome. Covid is over dudes

you better know it!

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This is not rocket science, pay them money. And no I dont mean give them a free donut or put them in a lottery for a million dollars or some other stupid shit. I mean give them $1,500 cash if they get the shot. Its that simple, I dont know why people arent smart enough to realize this.

pure_temper posted...

the smartest people I all know generally don't care for the vaccine unless they're old enough to be in the risk group, because they all have antibodies from having had covid already tbh.

If the smartest people you know already got covid then you must know some pretty dumb fucking people.

Bleuets posted...

This is not rocket science, pay them money. And no I dont mean give them a free donut or put them in a lottery for a million dollars or some other stupid shit. I mean give them $1,500 cash if they get the shot. Its that simple, I dont know why people arent smart enough to realize this.

They did, for a million dollars exactly actually. It briefly boosted vaccination rates by 40% but it didn't last

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Tyranthraxus posted...

If the smartest people you know already got covid then you must know some pretty dumb fucking people.

They did, for a million dollars exactly actually. It briefly boosted vaccination rates by 40% but it didn't last

im not taking about the chance to win money, Im talking about actually just giving them money. A chance to win money does not equal straight up giving people money.