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CyricZ 05/02/21 11:16:33 AM #51:	Broseph_Stalin posted... What bad history am I defending here exactly. In your zeal to knock down GameFAQs users who are Wrong On The Internet, you're aligning yourself with Republicans looking to prevent the needed education into parts of American history that have been wiped. Please read my post where I explain the magic trick Republicans are trying to play here, and how you're falling for it. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953470697] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>What bad history am I defending here exactly.</quote>In your zeal to knock down GameFAQs users who are Wrong On The Internet, you're aligning yourself with Republicans looking to prevent the needed education into parts of American history that have been wiped. Please read my post where I explain the magic trick Republicans are trying to play here, and how you're falling for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 05/02/21 11:16:34 AM #52:	hockeybub89 posted... I don't get why people get so upset when they are taught people who aren't them that died a long time ago might have been shitty. When you realize that these people have the same ideological core as slave-owners, and that they view this ideology as truly sacred and profound, then the pieces start falling into place. --- Oh look, what clever children! See them study, watch them learn! How I hate those goody-goodies! How they make my stomach turn! <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:953470699] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't get why people get so upset when they are taught people who aren't them that died a long time ago might have been shitty.</quote>When you realize that these people have the same ideological core as slave-owners, and that they view this ideology as truly sacred and profound, then the pieces start falling into place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 11:19:25 AM #53:	CyricZ posted... Please read my post where I explain the magic trick Republicans are trying to play here, and how you're falling for it. No, in defending what is clearly bad history you are giving Republicans ammo to attack and discredit legitimate education on the subject. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953470766] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Please read my post where I explain the magic trick Republicans are trying to play here, and how you're falling for it.</quote> No, in defending what is clearly bad history you are giving Republicans ammo to attack and discredit legitimate education on the subject. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 05/02/21 11:20:53 AM #54:	Broseph_Stalin posted... read I think the point you are missing is that typos can be fixed, revisions added, research perfected. Like a video game it can be patched without throwing away the entire project. Also, historians are going to disagree on stuff, so who's to say Leslie M. Harris is the best person to listen to? Why so quick to jump to her conclusions? Also, if you read her article, you'd see that she says "I Helped Fact-Check the 1619 Project. The Times Ignored Me. The papers series on slavery made avoidable mistakes. But the attacks from its critics are much more dangerous." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248 So literally, by using her voice to attack the 1619 project you are perpetuating the kind of problems that she warns against. Either she's credible and we should revise the 1619 project for inaccuracies (seems like a good idea to me) Or she's not credible, and we shouldn't listen to her about anything (she seems credible to me). You want to hold her up as a reason for not teaching this project, but she supports the concept... She takes issue, specifically, with the idea that the revolution was fought to protect slavery. She argues that it was not a major reason for the revolution (likely because England was ALREADY allowing slavery in it's colonies, so it doesn't make sense for them to go to war to protect slavery when they already had it). She cites how, in many ways, the revolution was a "disruptor" of slavery in the North. She ends by saying, "It is easy to correct facts; it is much harder to correct a worldview that consistently ignores and distorts the role of African Americans and race in our history in order to present white people as all powerful and solely in possession to the keys of equality, freedom and democracy. At least that is the corrective history toward which the 1619 Project is moving, if imperfectly." <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:953470803] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>read</quote> I think the point you are missing is that typos can be fixed, revisions added, research perfected. Like a video game it can be patched without throwing away the entire project. Also, historians are going to disagree on stuff, so who's to say Leslie M. Harris is the best person to listen to? Why so quick to jump to her conclusions? Also, if you read her article, you'd see that she says "I Helped Fact-Check the 1619 Project. The Times Ignored Me. The papers series on slavery made avoidable mistakes. But the attacks from its critics are much more dangerous." https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/06/1619-project-new-york-times-mistake-122248 So literally, by using her voice to attack the 1619 project you are perpetuating the kind of problems that she warns against. Either she's credible and we should revise the 1619 project for inaccuracies (seems like a good idea to me) Or she's not credible, and we shouldn't listen to her about anything (she seems credible to me). You want to hold her up as a reason for not teaching this project, but she supports the concept... She takes issue, specifically, with the idea that the revolution was fought to protect slavery. She argues that it was not a major reason for the revolution (likely because England was ALREADY allowing slavery in it's colonies, so it doesn't make sense for them to go to war to protect slavery when they already had it). She cites how, in many ways, the revolution was a "disruptor" of slavery in the North. She ends by saying, "It is easy to correct facts; it is much harder to correct a worldview that consistently ignores and distorts the role of African Americans and race in our history in order to present white people as all powerful and solely in possession to the keys of equality, freedom and democracy. At least that is the corrective history toward which the 1619 Project is moving, if imperfectly." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 11:24:06 AM #55:	Broseph_Stalin posted... No, in defending what is clearly bad history you are giving Republicans ammo to attack and discredit legitimate education on the subject. Again you're just falling for it. Over and over. The argument is not bad history. The argument is black history. And the Republicans dangled 1619 in front of your nose and you just snapped at it like a dog who hasn't seen fresh cured meat in over a year. I have presented the amount the 1619 Project will have in relevance to this proposal, but clearly you don't want to hear it and I'm starting to believe you never did. If you want to argue the merits of the 1619 Project, do it in another topic, because this is not that topic, no matter how much you want to believe it is. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953470881] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>No, in defending what is clearly bad history you are giving Republicans ammo to attack and discredit legitimate education on the subject.</quote>Again you're just falling for it. Over and over. The argument is not bad history. The argument is black history. And the Republicans dangled 1619 in front of your nose and you just snapped at it like a dog who hasn't seen fresh cured meat in over a year. I have presented the amount the 1619 Project will have in relevance to this proposal, but clearly you don't want to hear it and I'm starting to believe you never did. If you want to argue the merits of the 1619 Project, do it in another topic, because this is not that topic, no matter how much you want to believe it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LincolnDuncan 05/02/21 11:31:52 AM #56:	Broseph_Stalin posted... They literally admitted to making s* up because it helped their narrative. It's not history. I mean, what do you think history is? --- "I'm not a very nostalgic person, I neither have regrets nor occasions for self-congratulations." - Leonard Cohen <cite>LincolnDuncan posted [p:953471077] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>They literally admitted to making s* up because it helped their narrative. It's not history.</quote> I mean, what do you think history is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 11:40:30 AM #57:	LincolnDuncan posted... I mean, what do you think history is? Please do not imply that all of history is subjective to defend verifiably bad history. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953471296] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>LincolnDuncan posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, what do you think history is?</quote> Please do not imply that all of history is subjective to defend verifiably bad history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Evening_Dragon 05/02/21 11:44:01 AM #58:	Gamerguymass posted... You mean the project that actual historians have said is widely inaccurate and full of false assumptions I'd be interested in a source on this, first I'm hearing about wide inaccuracy. Nvm found it Surprised, but now I'm against this thing too. --- https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ Guide, it's Guide, it's that Guide <cite>Evening_Dragon posted [p:953471387] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>You mean the project that actual historians have said is widely inaccurate and full of false assumptions</quote> I'd be interested in a source on this, first I'm hearing about wide inaccuracy. Nvm found it Surprised, but now I'm against this thing too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/02/21 11:46:06 AM #59:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Please do not imply that all of history is subjective to defend verifiably bad history. My guess is that you are wildly unfamiliar with academic history. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953471437] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Please do not imply that all of history is subjective to defend verifiably bad history.</quote> My guess is that you are wildly unfamiliar with academic history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 11:50:17 AM #60:	COVxy posted... My guess is that you are wildly unfamiliar with academic history. NYT: Slavery was a uniquely American phenomenon Historians: Oh god what are you doing please don't publish this You: It's impossible to say who is right here <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953471524] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>My guess is that you are wildly unfamiliar with academic history.</quote> NYT: Slavery was a uniquely American phenomenon Historians: Oh god what are you doing please don't publish this You: It's impossible to say who is right here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 11:52:03 AM #61:	Broseph really REALLY wants this topic to be about nothing but the 1619 Project. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953471566] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph really REALLY wants this topic to be about nothing but the 1619 Project. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/02/21 11:52:03 AM #62:	Broseph_Stalin posted... NYT: Slavery was a uniquely American phenomenon Historians: Oh god what are you doing please don't publish this You: It's impossible to say who is right here Not sure who or what you think you're responding to lol. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953471567] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>NYT: Slavery was a uniquely American phenomenon Historians: Oh god what are you doing please don't publish this You: It's impossible to say who is right here</quote> Not sure who or what you think you're responding to lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 05/02/21 11:55:02 AM #63:	COVxy posted... Not sure who or what you think you're responding to lol. says the guy with no response --- Nintendo should stop developing games - ONLY PUBLISH! <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:953471639] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>Not sure who or what you think you're responding to lol.</quote>says the guy with no response </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 11:58:03 AM #64:	CyricZ posted... Broseph really REALLY wants this topic to be about nothing but the 1619 Project. No one would be talking about it anymore if multiple people weren't defending it purely because their ego got hurt. You'd think "Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but, CE. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953471716] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Broseph really REALLY wants this topic to be about nothing but the 1619 Project.</quote> No one would be talking about it anymore if multiple people weren't defending it purely because their ego got hurt. You'd think "Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but, CE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/02/21 11:59:45 AM #65:	Broseph_Stalin posted... "Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but, Have you met the Republican Party? Actual experts could promote breathing and they'd raise a stink. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:953471755] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>"Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but,</quote>Have you met the Republican Party? Actual experts could promote breathing and they'd raise a stink. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 05/02/21 12:03:10 PM #66:	Schools should teach the legacy of slavery. The flawed 1619 Project is not a reason to not teach the subject. --- Thus in 2020 did Allen send forth a great flood, that destroyed the gurus and all users that lived on land, except those in azuarc. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:953471840] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Schools should teach the legacy of slavery. The flawed 1619 Project is not a reason to not teach the subject. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skiggie 05/02/21 12:04:15 PM #67:	Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on. https://youtu.be/hEcmXbG34aE?t=3935 --- Royale Wit' Cheese!! <cite>Skiggie posted [p:953471867] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on. https://youtu.be/hEcmXbG34aE?t=3935 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 12:04:52 PM #68:	Broseph_Stalin posted... No one would be talking about it anymore if multiple people weren't defending it purely because their ego got hurt. You'd think "Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but, CE. Again and again and again you don't want to discuss the actual subject here. You've fallen for a base-level Republican trap, can't argue your way out of it, so instead you just decide "this is what we're talking about now, because this is where I can win." And your response now is "Well it's their fault I'm discussing this because they had to be wrong about it!" Like take some personal responsibility, for crying out loud. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953471881] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>No one would be talking about it anymore if multiple people weren't defending it purely because their ego got hurt. You'd think "Slavery and institutional racism should be taught in schools but in a curriculum developed by actual historians" would not be controversial but, CE.</quote>Again and again and again you don't want to discuss the actual subject here. You've fallen for a base-level Republican trap, can't argue your way out of it, so instead you just decide "this is what we're talking about now, because this is where I can win." And your response now is "Well it's their fault I'm discussing this because they had to be wrong about it!" Like take some personal responsibility, for crying out loud. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/02/21 12:05:07 PM #69:	Skiggie posted... Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on. Stop teaching history since it happened a long time ago. Got it. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:953471885] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Skiggie posted... </cite> <quote>Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on.</quote>Stop teaching history since it happened a long time ago. Got it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/02/21 12:05:07 PM #70:	AlphaCuck posted... says the guy with no response Broseph is in his own world. Not my fault the dude doesn't want to interact with reality. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953471886] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>AlphaCuck posted... </cite> <quote>says the guy with no response</quote> Broseph is in his own world. Not my fault the dude doesn't want to interact with reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 05/02/21 12:05:20 PM #71:	The 1619 project is far more true to reality than the narrative that any of us were taught in school. No one is saying it's perfect, but uncritically asserting that it's CRT and CRT is categorically bad, while having nothing to say about the trash we've been taught is ridiculous. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:953471895] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>The 1619 project is far more true to reality than the narrative that any of us were taught in school. No one is saying it's perfect, but uncritically asserting that it's CRT and CRT is categorically bad, while having nothing to say about the trash we've been taught is ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:09:13 PM #72:	I'm not the one falling for a Republican trap here dude. The DoE went out of it's way to praise a disastrous experiment in activism masquerading as history, which is already being taught in schools. As long as you give them ammo like this, they will use it. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472007] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>I'm not the one falling for a Republican trap here dude. The DoE went out of it's way to praise a disastrous experiment in activism masquerading as history, which is already being taught in schools. As long as you give them ammo like this, they will use it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:10:05 PM #73:	COVxy posted... Broseph is in his own world. Not my fault the dude doesn't want to interact with reality. God you post so much without ever saying anything. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472037] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>Broseph is in his own world. Not my fault the dude doesn't want to interact with reality.</quote> God you post so much without ever saying anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 12:10:29 PM #74:	Broseph_Stalin posted... I'm not the one falling for a Republican trap here dude. The DoE went out of it's way to praise a disastrous experiment in activism masquerading as history, which is already being taught in schools. As long as you give them ammo like this, they will use it. And now you're just another Republican at this point. Of course you didn't lose. Of course you won't lose, so long as you just buy into the conspiracy. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953472051] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not the one falling for a Republican trap here dude. The DoE went out of it's way to praise a disastrous experiment in activism masquerading as history, which is already being taught in schools. As long as you give them ammo like this, they will use it.</quote>And now you're just another Republican at this point. Of course you didn't lose. Of course you won't lose, so long as you just buy into the conspiracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Orchestrion 05/02/21 12:11:21 PM #75:	CyricZ posted... And now you're just another Republican at this point. Broseph has always been a right winger. Its only been within the last couple years that hes really embraced it. --- https://imgur.com/N8KckAr https://imgur.com/LfbgFCJ <cite>Orchestrion posted [p:953472077] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>And now you're just another Republican at this point.</quote> Broseph has always been a right winger. Its only been within the last couple years that hes really embraced it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CM_Ponch 05/02/21 12:12:18 PM #76:	Jesus Christ at this topic --- SW-8316-3213-4720 <cite>CM_Ponch posted [p:953472106] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Jesus Christ at this topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:12:47 PM #77:	CyricZ posted... And now you're just another Republican at this point. Cyric at what point do you realize that this garbage you and an extremely small number of weird people on the internet buy into only helps Republicans? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472125] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>And now you're just another Republican at this point.</quote> Cyric at what point do you realize that this garbage you and an extremely small number of weird people on the internet buy into only helps Republicans? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 05/02/21 12:14:21 PM #78:	70 posts of people talking past each other. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:953472174] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>70 posts of people talking past each other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/02/21 12:14:36 PM #79:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Cyric at what point do you realize that this garbage you and an extremely small number of weird people on the internet buy into only helps Republicans? How can an extremely small number of weirdos on the Internet help the Republicans? Why are you making these weirdos responsible for the decisions of Republicans? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:953472187] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Cyric at what point do you realize that this garbage you and an extremely small number of weird people on the internet buy into only helps Republicans?</quote>How can an extremely small number of weirdos on the Internet help the Republicans? Why are you making these weirdos responsible for the decisions of Republicans? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 05/02/21 12:15:35 PM #80:	Skiggie posted... Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on. That kinda defeats the purpose of having History class though. Slavery is a pretty important theme in the history of the world, and the way you write about it having a definitive "end" undersells the ongoing struggles of former enslaved populations, being treated as less than full-citizens (to put it mildly). Schools need to teach how the reverberations of slavery are manifest today. --- Thus in 2020 did Allen send forth a great flood, that destroyed the gurus and all users that lived on land, except those in azuarc. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:953472209] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Skiggie posted... </cite> <quote>Slavery was abolished a long time ago. It existed across the whole world for thousands of years, and Western nations did more to end it than any other place on Earth. Move the ** on.</quote>That kinda defeats the purpose of having History class though. Slavery is a pretty important theme in the history of the world, and the way you write about it having a definitive "end" undersells the ongoing struggles of former enslaved populations, being treated as less than full-citizens (to put it mildly). Schools need to teach how the reverberations of slavery are manifest today. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 05/02/21 12:17:36 PM #81:	We really blew past my last post which cites and quotes from the main "critic" of the 1619 project. edit: post #54. <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:953472267] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>We really blew past my last post which cites and quotes from the main "critic" of the 1619 project. edit: post #54. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:17:37 PM #82:	hockeybub89 posted... How can an extremely small number of weirdos on the Internet help the Republicans? By creating a narrative that is extremely beneficial to them. Republicans don't want this stuff to be taught in schools at all and this pseudohistorical nonsense gives them the perfect opportunity to discredit it. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472268] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>How can an extremely small number of weirdos on the Internet help the Republicans?</quote> By creating a narrative that is extremely beneficial to them. Republicans don't want this stuff to be taught in schools at all and this pseudohistorical nonsense gives them the perfect opportunity to discredit it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:19:41 PM #83:	Robot2600 posted... We really blew past my last post which cites and quotes from the main "critic" of the 1619 project. probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472324] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>We really blew past my last post which cites and quotes from the main "critic" of the 1619 project.</quote> probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 05/02/21 12:20:30 PM #85:	Back on Mitch McConnell, if he had his way we wouldn't be talking about slavery at all. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:953472351] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Back on Mitch McConnell, if he had his way we wouldn't be talking about slavery at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 12:21:10 PM #86:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Republicans don't want this stuff to be taught in schools at all and this pseudohistorical nonsense gives them the perfect opportunity to discredit it. Oh I'm sorry dude. Were we "being divisive"? At what point does an enlightened thinker like yourself come to the realization that ANY TIME prominent Republicans are for or against something the first reaction one should have is to doubt it? How many more times must you be misled? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953472370] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Republicans don't want this stuff to be taught in schools at all and this pseudohistorical nonsense gives them the perfect opportunity to discredit it.</quote>Oh I'm sorry dude. Were we "being divisive"? At what point does an enlightened thinker like yourself come to the realization that ANY TIME prominent Republicans are for or against something the first reaction one should have is to doubt it? How many more times must you be misled? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourLovelyTina 05/02/21 12:21:42 PM #87:	again, this is "Hitler had some good ideas" territory --- CONGRATULATIONS! You have saved your lovely Tina. Yattane Takahashi! <cite>YourLovelyTina posted [p:953472382] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>again, this is "Hitler had some good ideas" territory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 12:21:58 PM #88:	AlphaCuck posted... of course these same liberals will try to delegitimize the Black experiences of people like morgan freeman who think its divisive. they'll just compare him to a house slave or something Would you consider Morgan Freeman "one of the good ones"? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953472389] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>AlphaCuck posted... </cite> <quote>of course these same liberals will try to delegitimize the Black experiences of people like morgan freeman who think its divisive. they'll just compare him to a house slave or something</quote>Would you consider Morgan Freeman "one of the good ones"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 05/02/21 12:22:48 PM #89:	CyricZ posted... At what point does an enlightened thinker like yourself come to the realization that ANY TIME prominent Republicans are for or against something the first reaction one should have is to doubt it? yeah when will they learn to ad hominem by default --- Nintendo should stop developing games - ONLY PUBLISH! <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:953472412] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>At what point does an enlightened thinker like yourself come to the realization that ANY TIME prominent Republicans are for or against something the first reaction one should have is to doubt it?</quote>yeah when will they learn to ad hominem by default </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 05/02/21 12:22:57 PM #90:	Broseph_Stalin posted... probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians It's just not the big massive criticism that you think it is. You also don't understand history as an academic subject. There is no "history", there are histories. Each historian peices together a bunch of disparate poorly conserved elements and tries to synthesize a narrative that subjectively seems interesting and unifying. Like, you just have no exposure and are pretending to be some sort of expert here defending "the facts". --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:953472415] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians</quote> It's just not the big massive criticism that you think it is. You also don't understand history as an academic subject. There is no "history", there are histories. Each historian peices together a bunch of disparate poorly conserved elements and tries to synthesize a narrative that subjectively seems interesting and unifying. Like, you just have no exposure and are pretending to be some sort of expert here defending "the facts". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 05/02/21 12:23:10 PM #91:	CyricZ posted... Would you consider Morgan Freeman "one of the good ones"? no? --- Nintendo should stop developing games - ONLY PUBLISH! <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:953472420] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Would you consider Morgan Freeman "one of the good ones"?</quote>no? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 05/02/21 12:25:02 PM #92:	uncle tom <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:953472462] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>uncle tom </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 05/02/21 12:25:06 PM #93:	AlphaCuck posted... of course these same liberals will try to delegitimize the Black experiences of people like morgan freeman who think its divisive. they'll just compare him to a house slave or something Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives. --- Oh look, what clever children! See them study, watch them learn! How I hate those goody-goodies! How they make my stomach turn! <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:953472466] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>AlphaCuck posted... </cite> <quote>of course these same liberals will try to delegitimize the Black experiences of people like morgan freeman who think its divisive. they'll just compare him to a house slave or something</quote>Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omnislasher 05/02/21 12:26:09 PM #94:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives. preach <cite>Omnislasher posted [p:953472494] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives.</quote>preach </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 05/02/21 12:26:54 PM #95:	COVxy posted... It's just not the big massive criticism that you think it is. Being full of objectively false statements is very obviously a massive criticism. COVxy posted... You also don't understand history as an academic subject. There is no "history", there are histories. Each historian peices together a bunch of disparate poorly conserved elements and tries to synthesize a narrative that subjectively seems interesting and unifying. Like, you just have no exposure and are pretending to be some sort of expert here defending "the facts". It's not history. Hannah-Jones is not a historian. Get that through your fucking head. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:953472521] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>It's just not the big massive criticism that you think it is.</quote> Being full of objectively false statements is very obviously a massive criticism. COVxy posted... </cite> <quote>You also don't understand history as an academic subject. There is no "history", there are histories. Each historian peices together a bunch of disparate poorly conserved elements and tries to synthesize a narrative that subjectively seems interesting and unifying. Like, you just have no exposure and are pretending to be some sort of expert here defending "the facts".</quote> It's not history. Hannah-Jones is not a historian. Get that through your fucking head. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 05/02/21 12:29:18 PM #96:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives. what --- Nintendo should stop developing games - ONLY PUBLISH! <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:953472589] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Right? They should be like us communists and delegitimize the experiences of all conservatives.</quote>what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 05/02/21 12:29:55 PM #97:	Broseph_Stalin posted... probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians So asking for someone's source now means "uninformed." Sure. That makes total sense. You can't just say "many different historians" and expect that to be a sound argument. <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:953472613] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>probably because you were uninformed on the subject to begin with and are now trying to falsely imply that there wasn't a massive amount of criticism from many different historians</quote> So asking for someone's source now means "uninformed." Sure. That makes total sense. You can't just say "many different historians" and expect that to be a sound argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 05/02/21 12:33:55 PM #98:	AlphaCuck posted... yeah when will they learn to ad hominem by default What's ad hominem about "prominent Republicans" and "doubt"? Or do you think it's unfair that fascists don't have an equal seat at the table with everyone else? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:953472730] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>AlphaCuck posted... </cite> <quote>yeah when will they learn to ad hominem by default</quote>What's ad hominem about "prominent Republicans" and "doubt"? Or do you think it's unfair that fascists don't have an equal seat at the table with everyone else? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 05/02/21 12:35:35 PM #99:	UnfairRepresent posted... https://youtu.be/jMs1dwNu_eI ... --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:953472773] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/jMs1dwNu_eI</quote> ... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaCuck 05/02/21 12:39:01 PM #100:	CyricZ posted... What's ad hominem about "prominent Republicans" and "doubt"? Or do you think it's unfair that fascists don't have an equal seat at the table with everyone else? because you're cringely arguing against people's identity instead of what they're saying. it's this boards favorite pastime --- Nintendo should stop developing games - ONLY PUBLISH! <cite>AlphaCuck posted [p:953472862] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What's ad hominem about "prominent Republicans" and "doubt"? Or do you think it's unfair that fascists don't have an equal seat at the table with everyone else?</quote>because you're cringely arguing against people's identity instead of what they're saying. it's this boards favorite pastime </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourLovelyTina 05/02/21 12:39:12 PM #101:	imagine thinking Moscow Mitch is right about anything, let alone the topic of slavery then again, what can you expect from a user that has "Nintendo shouldn't make games" as their signature --- CONGRATULATIONS! You have saved your lovely Tina. Yattane Takahashi! <cite>YourLovelyTina posted [p:953472868] in Leading vo... [t:79436920]...</cite> <quote>imagine thinking Moscow Mitch is right about anything, let alone the topic of slavery then again, what can you expect from a user that has "Nintendo shouldn't make games" as their signature </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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