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Axiom 02/15/21 5:00:18 PM #152:	CommonJoe posted... Are you like, a child Yes he is. More accurately a manchild <cite>Axiom posted [p:950672663] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Are you like, a child</quote>Yes he is. More accurately a manchild </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/15/21 5:01:10 PM #153:	NoxObscuras posted... Except that, by renting out a property, the owner is required to handle upkeep and custodianship. You guys act like landlords literally do nothing. If the hot water stops working? The landlord fixes that and pays for it themselves. Same with any electrical issues, heating, roofing, plumbing, and so on. The entire anti landlord argument in this topic, is predicated on the idea that landlords get money for doing nothing. But, landlords do a lot. If it's one person managing a large apartment complex, they can be damn busy. ...this has been addressed so many times. The upkeep and custodianship of buildings is a valuable service that should be compensated fairly. No one is arguing otherwise. The problem people have with landlords is not that they charge for such services. And providing those services are not integral to being a landlord. Yes, in some countries landlords are responsible for those things. That's because the law prohibits them from more blatant exploitation, not because it's something that's inherent to being a landlord. Being a landlord, by definition, is when you hoard housing you don't personally need and you use it to exploit people and make a profit. RebelElite791 posted... Honest question because im curious what opinions would be. If I build a vacation home in Italy (lets say a touristy area where no locals are in need of housing) and rent it out to other vacationers when im not there, is that exploitation? Or does it being essentially a luxury good change that? While similar, the need for temporary housing like hotels is different from the basic human right to a home. I would still say that your intent to make a profit from just owning something is exploitative inherently, but the people you're looking to exploit "can take it", in a sense. But of course it's a bit of a different issue than landlords and the solutions to it don't necessarily have to be the same. I suppose one could argue that you'd be doing a mild form of imperialism, since you're laying claim to a foreign resource and use it to make money. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950672690] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>NoxObscuras posted... </cite> <quote>Except that, by renting out a property, the owner is required to handle upkeep and custodianship. You guys act like landlords literally do nothing. If the hot water stops working? The landlord fixes that and pays for it themselves. Same with any electrical issues, heating, roofing, plumbing, and so on. The entire anti landlord argument in this topic, is predicated on the idea that landlords get money for doing nothing. But, landlords do a lot. If it's one person managing a large apartment complex, they can be damn busy.</quote>...this has been addressed so many times. The upkeep and custodianship of buildings is a valuable service that should be compensated fairly. No one is arguing otherwise. The problem people have with landlords is not that they charge for such services. And providing those services are not integral to being a landlord. Yes, in some countries landlords are responsible for those things. That's because the law prohibits them from more blatant exploitation, not because it's something that's inherent to being a landlord. Being a landlord, by definition, is when you hoard housing you don't personally need and you use it to exploit people and make a profit. RebelElite791 posted... </cite> <quote>Honest question because im curious what opinions would be. If I build a vacation home in Italy (lets say a touristy area where no locals are in need of housing) and rent it out to other vacationers when im not there, is that exploitation? Or does it being essentially a luxury good change that?</quote>While similar, the need for temporary housing like hotels is different from the basic human right to a home. I would still say that your intent to make a profit from just owning something is exploitative inherently, but the people you're looking to exploit "can take it", in a sense. But of course it's a bit of a different issue than landlords and the solutions to it don't necessarily have to be the same. I suppose one could argue that you'd be doing a mild form of imperialism, since you're laying claim to a foreign resource and use it to make money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 6:00:25 PM #154:	Clutch posted... How many years or rent do you have to pay until it exceeds the cost of the home plus upkeep costs? Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it? --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950674592] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Clutch posted... </cite> <quote>How many years or rent do you have to pay until it exceeds the cost of the home plus upkeep costs?</quote> Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 02/15/21 6:47:16 PM #155:	scar the 1 posted... ...this has been addressed so many times. The upkeep and custodianship of buildings is a valuable service that should be compensated fairly. No one is arguing otherwise. The problem people have with landlords is not that they charge for such services. And providing those services are not integral to being a landlord. Yes, in some countries landlords are responsible for those things. That's because the law prohibits them from more blatant exploitation, not because it's something that's inherent to being a landlord. Being a landlord, by definition, is when you hoard housing you don't personally need and you use it to exploit people and make a profit. While similar, the need for temporary housing like hotels is different from the basic human right to a home. I would still say that your intent to make a profit from just owning something is exploitative inherently, but the people you're looking to exploit "can take it", in a sense. But of course it's a bit of a different issue than landlords and the solutions to it don't necessarily have to be the same. I suppose one could argue that you'd be doing a mild form of imperialism, since you're laying claim to a foreign resource and use it to make money. Which is why I suggested more laws to help renters, rather than "abolish landlords" with no real solution as an alternative. The more I read these posts though, the more it seems like your issue is with landlords that own and rent out, single family homes. What about the ones that own apartment complexes? Do you have the same issue with those landlords? --- Formerly ox0Shadow0xo \| PSN - NoxObscuras i7-7700K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:950676129] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>...this has been addressed so many times. The upkeep and custodianship of buildings is a valuable service that should be compensated fairly. No one is arguing otherwise. The problem people have with landlords is not that they charge for such services. And providing those services are not integral to being a landlord. Yes, in some countries landlords are responsible for those things. That's because the law prohibits them from more blatant exploitation, not because it's something that's inherent to being a landlord. Being a landlord, by definition, is when you hoard housing you don't personally need and you use it to exploit people and make a profit. While similar, the need for temporary housing like hotels is different from the basic human right to a home. I would still say that your intent to make a profit from just owning something is exploitative inherently, but the people you're looking to exploit "can take it", in a sense. But of course it's a bit of a different issue than landlords and the solutions to it don't necessarily have to be the same. I suppose one could argue that you'd be doing a mild form of imperialism, since you're laying claim to a foreign resource and use it to make money.</quote>Which is why I suggested more laws to help renters, rather than "abolish landlords" with no real solution as an alternative. The more I read these posts though, the more it seems like your issue is with landlords that own and rent out, single family homes. What about the ones that own apartment complexes? Do you have the same issue with those landlords? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 6:59:44 PM #156:	Shablagoo posted... Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it? Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them? Your ideas on this subject are like something I would have heard in a 10th grade social studies class dude come on. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950676548] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it?</quote> Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them? Your ideas on this subject are like something I would have heard in a 10th grade social studies class dude come on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:13:35 PM #157:	Hexenherz posted... Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them? If you cant afford multiple mortgages you shouldnt be taking them out. Glorified roommates arent landlords, and even if we defined them that way, theyre still definitely not landlords to the same degree that somebody with multiple homes or complexes is. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950676997] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them?</quote> If you cant afford multiple mortgages you shouldnt be taking them out. Glorified roommates arent landlords, and even if we defined them that way, theyre still definitely not landlords to the same degree that somebody with multiple homes or complexes is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 7:16:32 PM #158:	PoundGarden posted... Seriously, almost 150 posts and none of the anti landlord children can answer the question of where people are supposed to rent from if we abolish landlords. They think most people will be able to afford a house, which is rediculous. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950677110] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Seriously, almost 150 posts and none of the anti landlord children can answer the question of where people are supposed to rent from if we abolish landlords.</quote> They think most people will be able to afford a house, which is rediculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:16:48 PM #159:	CommonJoe posted... If you cant afford multiple mortgages you shouldnt be taking them out. Arguably a person can afford multiple mortgages if they've got the initial capital and the time to put together leasing agreements with tenants (or they are willing to work with property management companies). Also why would a person need to take out multiple mortgages to begin with? If I have to move because the military tells me to, I'm 100% renting my house out with the expectation that I will be able to move back into it in three years. That doesn't mean I'm taking out a second mortgage, but I definitely don't want to sell a house I've already lived in for five years. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950677116] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>If you cant afford multiple mortgages you shouldnt be taking them out. </quote> Arguably a person can afford multiple mortgages if they've got the initial capital and the time to put together leasing agreements with tenants (or they are willing to work with property management companies). Also why would a person need to take out multiple mortgages to begin with? If I have to move because the military tells me to, I'm 100% renting my house out with the expectation that I will be able to move back into it in three years. That doesn't mean I'm taking out a second mortgage, but I definitely don't want to sell a house I've already lived in for five years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 7:18:31 PM #160:	Shablagoo posted... Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it? Why should customers be paying the costs of a restaurant if they don't get to own it? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950677183] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Why should renters be paying the cost of the home if they dont get to keep it?</quote> Why should customers be paying the costs of a restaurant if they don't get to own it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:19:01 PM #161:	why should i be viewing adverts on gamefaqs if i don't get to cnet --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950677207] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>why should i be viewing adverts on gamefaqs if i don't get to cnet </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 02/15/21 7:25:59 PM #162:	does the anti-landlord crowd honestly believe they don't provide any service whatsoever? such as upkeep, or providing a temporary living space for those who may not want to settle down in one place? --- https://imgur.com/hLHUnOI You act like I don't know my own way home <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:950677448] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>does the anti-landlord crowd honestly believe they don't provide any service whatsoever? such as upkeep, or providing a temporary living space for those who may not want to settle down in one place? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:27:36 PM #163:	Hexenherz posted... Arguably a person can afford multiple mortgages if they've got the initial capital and the time to put together leasing agreements with tenants (or they are willing to work with property management companies). Go back and read what you originally proposed. If the bank "is coming after them", they cant afford their mortgage. Hexenherz posted... Also why would a person need to take out multiple mortgages to begin with? Not everyone can just straight up buy multiple homes in cash. Unless youre extremely rich, you got a second house because you got a second loan to pay for it. Hexenherz posted... If I have to move because the military tells me to, I'm 100% renting my house out with the expectation that I will be able to move back into it in three years. That doesn't mean I'm taking out a second mortgage, but I definitely don't want to sell a house I've already lived in for five years. Thats not even remotely congruent to the landlords in question, especially considering you in that specific situation the expectation would be made clear to the rentee that the house will not be their permanent residence, and is only available until you can live there. Most landlords that we call parasites do not operate on that basis, as your house is not being rented as part of a business. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950677490] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>Arguably a person can afford multiple mortgages if they've got the initial capital and the time to put together leasing agreements with tenants (or they are willing to work with property management companies).</quote> Go back and read what you originally proposed. If the bank "is coming after them", they cant afford their mortgage. Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>Also why would a person need to take out multiple mortgages to begin with?</quote> Not everyone can just straight up buy multiple homes in cash. Unless youre extremely rich, you got a second house because you got a second loan to pay for it. Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>If I have to move because the military tells me to, I'm 100% renting my house out with the expectation that I will be able to move back into it in three years. That doesn't mean I'm taking out a second mortgage, but I definitely don't want to sell a house I've already lived in for five years.</quote> Thats not even remotely congruent to the landlords in question, especially considering you in that specific situation the expectation would be made clear to the rentee that the house will not be their permanent residence, and is only available until you can live there. Most landlords that we call parasites do not operate on that basis, as your house is not being rented as part of a business. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:28:20 PM #164:	Solid Snake07 posted... Why should customers be paying the costs of a restaurant if they don't get to own it? That isnt congruent to renting. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950677513] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Why should customers be paying the costs of a restaurant if they don't get to own it?</quote> That isnt congruent to renting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 02/15/21 7:32:23 PM #165:	Goal lines moving, everybody shift --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:950677646] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Goal lines moving, everybody shift </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 7:32:26 PM #166:	CommonJoe posted... That isnt congruent to renting. It's congruent to anything. If I want a good or service I buy it from someone who's willing to offer it to me for a price. Doesn't matter if it's a place to live or groceries. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950677650] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>That isnt congruent to renting.</quote> It's congruent to anything. If I want a good or service I buy it from someone who's willing to offer it to me for a price. Doesn't matter if it's a place to live or groceries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:32:46 PM #167:	CommonJoe posted... Go back and read what you originally proposed. If the bank "is coming after them", they cant afford their mortgage. Spoilers: The bank would be coming after them for not collecting rent money from a tenant.... It's a pretty easy concept man. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950677656] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Go back and read what you originally proposed. If the bank "is coming after them", they cant afford their mortgage.</quote> Spoilers: The bank would be coming after them for not collecting rent money from a tenant.... It's a pretty easy concept man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 02/15/21 7:33:30 PM #168:	How do anti landlord feel about businesses renting a space to set up a shop? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:950677683] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>How do anti landlord feel about businesses renting a space to set up a shop? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:33:35 PM #169:	Delirious_Beard posted... such as upkeep, or providing a temporary living space for those who may not want to settle down in one place? The former isnt applicable unless the landlord is doing that at no true cost to the tenant, which in most cases, they are not. If your plumbing breaks and the landlord pays somebody to fix it, what they paid that person comes out of money you and the rest of the tenants paid in extraneous rent, ie, operating expenses. And the latter? Thats not something thats commonly sought out by most people looking to rent, and moreover, isnt something that disappears without landlords. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950677690] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Delirious_Beard posted... </cite> <quote>such as upkeep, or providing a temporary living space for those who may not want to settle down in one place?</quote> The former isnt applicable unless the landlord is doing that at no true cost to the tenant, which in most cases, they are not. If your plumbing breaks and the landlord pays somebody to fix it, what they paid that person comes out of money you and the rest of the tenants paid in extraneous rent, ie, operating expenses. And the latter? Thats not something thats commonly sought out by most people looking to rent, and moreover, isnt something that disappears without landlords. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 7:33:52 PM #170:	Hexenherz posted... Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them? Addressed in post #10 --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950677699] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>Why should the person who put their name on the loan from the bank have to foot the bill to give free housing to someone and then risk destroying their own credit and losing their own livelihoods when the banks come after them?</quote> Addressed in post #10 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 02/15/21 7:34:57 PM #171:	Shablagoo posted... I have my own home already, Uh-huh. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:950677739] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>I have my own home already, </quote> Uh-huh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:38:14 PM #172:	Solid Snake07 posted... It's congruent to anything. If I want a good or service I buy it from someone who's willing to offer it to me for a price. Doesn't matter if it's a place to live or groceries. Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem. Things like healthcare, education, housing, and even basic sustenance should not be run as a business because theyre necessary to life. Going out to a restarant, even a crappy one, is a luxury. Not the same. Hexenherz posted... Spoilers: The bank would be coming after them for not collecting rent money from a tenant.... It's a pretty easy concept man. So, not only are you blatantly just making shit up, but youre not even good at it. Mortages literally do not work like that. At all. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950677862] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It's congruent to anything. If I want a good or service I buy it from someone who's willing to offer it to me for a price. Doesn't matter if it's a place to live or groceries.</quote> Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem. Things like healthcare, education, housing, and even basic sustenance should not be run as a business because theyre necessary to life. Going out to a restarant, even a crappy one, is a luxury. Not the same. Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>Spoilers: The bank would be coming after them for not collecting rent money from a tenant.... It's a pretty easy concept man.</quote> So, not only are you blatantly just making shit up, but youre not even good at it. Mortages literally do not work like that. At all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:39:47 PM #173:	I feel like I'm crazy whenever I enter topics like these and people don't seem to understand basic financial fundamentals that go into owning and leasing property. Maybe that's why I can't help but come and engage with you people. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950677910] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>I feel like I'm crazy whenever I enter topics like these and people don't seem to understand basic financial fundamentals that go into owning and leasing property. Maybe that's why I can't help but come and engage with you people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:43:25 PM #174:	Hexenherz posted... I feel like I'm crazy whenever I enter topics like these and people don't seem to understand basic financial fundamentals that go into owning and leasing property. Maybe that's why I can't help but come and engage with you people. Banks literally have no connection to a landlords rental collection unless they are the landlord. Stfu with your bullshit. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950678026] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like I'm crazy whenever I enter topics like these and people don't seem to understand basic financial fundamentals that go into owning and leasing property. Maybe that's why I can't help but come and engage with you people.</quote> Banks literally have no connection to a landlords rental collection unless they are the landlord. Stfu with your bullshit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 7:45:19 PM #175:	So angry now my goodness. --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950678093] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>So angry now my goodness. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 7:46:38 PM #176:	I feel like I'm crazy whenever someones best counterpoint to what were arguing is a vague and flippant dismissal and they believe theyre saying anything of substance. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950678138] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>I feel like I'm crazy whenever someones best counterpoint to what were arguing is a vague and flippant dismissal and they believe theyre saying anything of substance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:48:57 PM #177:	Hexenherz posted... So angry now my goodness. Its telling that you cant even back up your nonsense, just revert to sealioning. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950678201] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Hexenherz posted... </cite> <quote>So angry now my goodness.</quote> Its telling that you cant even back up your nonsense, just revert to sealioning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 7:56:10 PM #178:	CommonJoe posted... Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem. No mate, you don't understand human nature. A profit motive always leads to a better product and overall quality of life. Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right. Providing those things to people in need is charity. Nothing wrong with charity, it's one of the greatest things you can do. But call it what it is. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950678435] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem.</quote> No mate, you don't understand human nature. A profit motive always leads to a better product and overall quality of life. Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right. Providing those things to people in need is charity. Nothing wrong with charity, it's one of the greatest things you can do. But call it what it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 02/15/21 7:56:52 PM #179:	CommonJoe posted... Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem. Things like healthcare, education, housing, and even basic sustenance should not be run as a business because theyre necessary to life. Going out to a restarant, even a crappy one, is a luxury. Not the same. So, not only are you blatantly just making shit up, but youre not even good at it. Mortages literally do not work like that. At all. so grocery stores - providing necessary food, should not be a business? food should be...provided for free for all by the government, as it's a human right? <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:950678452] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Ive said it already, but again, if you dont understand or operate on the premise of housing as human right, you are fundamentally not understanding the problem. Things like healthcare, education, housing, and even basic sustenance should not be run as a business because theyre necessary to life. Going out to a restarant, even a crappy one, is a luxury. Not the same. So, not only are you blatantly just making shit up, but youre not even good at it. Mortages literally do not work like that. At all.</quote> so grocery stores - providing necessary food, should not be a business? food should be...provided for free for all by the government, as it's a human right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:58:22 PM #180:	Solid Snake07 posted... A profit motive always leads to a better product amd overall quality of life. Nestle. Monsanto. BP. Fox News. Etc. Nuff said. Solid Snake07 posted... Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right. Neither of which are provided by a landlord. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950678493] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>A profit motive always leads to a better product amd overall quality of life.</quote> Nestle. Monsanto. BP. Fox News. Etc. Nuff said. Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right.</quote> Neither of which are provided by a landlord. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 7:59:35 PM #181:	Fam_Fam posted... so grocery stores - providing necessary food, should not be a business? food should be...provided for free for all by the government, as it's a human right? --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950678536] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Fam_Fam posted... </cite> <quote>so grocery stores - providing necessary food, should not be a business? food should be...provided for free for all by the government, as it's a human right?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 8:03:36 PM #182:	CommonJoe posted... Neither of which are provided by a landlord. It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did. CommonJoe posted... Nestle. Monsanto. BP. Fox News. Etc. Nuff said. Lol, what is this supposed to mean? Name one publicly provided service that's better than its privately provided counterpart --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950678667] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Neither of which are provided by a landlord.</quote> It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did. CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Nestle. Monsanto. BP. Fox News. Etc. Nuff said.</quote> Lol, what is this supposed to mean? Name one publicly provided service that's better than its privately provided counterpart </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nasty_Nitro 02/15/21 8:09:50 PM #183:	Paying rent sucks but its better than being homeless. It does suck that everybody is an ass for cash tho --- OG status Triple OG Status Jaguars, Miami Heat, ROH, NJPW, AEW supporter <cite>Nasty_Nitro posted [p:950678849] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Paying rent sucks but its better than being homeless. It does suck that everybody is an ass for cash tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 8:12:47 PM #184:	Solid Snake07 posted... It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did. The former isnt even worth addressing with how stupid a reply it is, and the latter isnt a product nor a service. The landlord is using the labor of another person (or multiple people) to pay for something none of those people, who actually generated the funds to pay off that loan, get to keep. Which is another thing youre fundamentally not understanding about the problem. Labor has value, getting a loan and paying a contractor in turn to build a house or complex is not labor. The only thing a landlord has that, at the end of the mortgage, the rentees did not, is the necessary socio-economic status to get a large loan, and as thats literally just made up nonsense and not actually tangible, it is also neither a product nor a service. Solid Snake07 posted... Lol, what is this supposed to mean? Im not explaining that to you. If you read those companies names and didnt immediately connect the dots then you have no business whatsoever trying to talk like you know anything about economics. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950678924] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did.</quote> The former isnt even worth addressing with how stupid a reply it is, and the latter isnt a product nor a service. The landlord is using the labor of another person (or multiple people) to pay for something none of those people, who actually generated the funds to pay off that loan, get to keep. Which is another thing youre fundamentally not understanding about the problem. Labor has value, getting a loan and paying a contractor in turn to build a house or complex is not labor. The only thing a landlord has that, at the end of the mortgage, the rentees did not, is the necessary socio-economic status to get a large loan, and as thats literally just made up nonsense and not actually tangible, it is also neither a product nor a service. Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Lol, what is this supposed to mean?</quote> Im not explaining that to you. If you read those companies names and didnt immediately connect the dots then you have no business whatsoever trying to talk like you know anything about economics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NES4EVER 02/15/21 8:13:13 PM #185:	Solid Snake07 posted... It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did. Lol, what is this supposed to mean? Name one publicly provided service that's better than its privately provided counterpart The prison system. --- *nu-horsemen 4evar* [A GameFAQs Moderator was deleted by this message] <cite>NES4EVER posted [p:950678935] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It is if they built it. And if they didn't build it they paid the person who did. Lol, what is this supposed to mean? Name one publicly provided service that's better than its privately provided counterpart</quote> The prison system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 8:34:38 PM #186:	CommonJoe posted... The former isnt even worth addressing with how stupid a reply it is, and the latter isnt a product nor a service. The landlord is using the labor of another person (or multiple people) to pay for something none of those people, who actually generated the funds to pay off that loan, get to keep. I don't know where you kids get the dumbass notion that landlords just sit around collecting checks. It's an investment just like any other. If you want to own a house then go fucking buy one --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950679583] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>The former isnt even worth addressing with how stupid a reply it is, and the latter isnt a product nor a service. The landlord is using the labor of another person (or multiple people) to pay for something none of those people, who actually generated the funds to pay off that loan, get to keep.</quote> I don't know where you kids get the dumbass notion that landlords just sit around collecting checks. It's an investment just like any other. If you want to own a house then go fucking buy one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/15/21 8:34:42 PM #187:	LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950679584] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 02/15/21 8:44:15 PM #188:	PoundGarden posted... LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me He sounds like a kid who really doesn't understand how the world works, and thinks "taxes" can magically just pay for everyone to have everything they want lol --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:950679904] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me </quote>He sounds like a kid who really doesn't understand how the world works, and thinks "taxes" can magically just pay for everyone to have everything they want lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 8:46:28 PM #189:	Solid Snake07 posted... I don't know where you kids get the dumbass notion that landlords just sit around collecting checks. Strawman. Solid Snake07 posted... If you want to own a house then go fucking buy one This thought terminating cliche has been adressed ad nauseum in this topic. Do you have anything new to say? Preferably with an actual point rather than a thought termination? --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950679972] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know where you kids get the dumbass notion that landlords just sit around collecting checks.</quote> Strawman. Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to own a house then go fucking buy one</quote> This thought terminating cliche has been adressed ad nauseum in this topic. Do you have anything new to say? Preferably with an actual point rather than a thought termination? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 8:49:08 PM #190:	CommonJoe posted... Strawman It's a direct response to what you're saying. There's an entire industry built around managing people's property for them. To say being a landlord requires no time or labor is braindead levels of stupid. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950680050] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>Strawman</quote> It's a direct response to what you're saying. There's an entire industry built around managing people's property for them. To say being a landlord requires no time or labor is braindead levels of stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/15/21 8:49:44 PM #191:	PoundGarden posted... LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me lol --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950680069] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>LMFAO, CommonJoe can't debate for shit and hates reality so he blocked me </quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 9:07:04 PM #192:	Solid Snake07 posted... It's a direct response to what you're saying. Then quote where I said landlords just sit around collecting checks. (Hint: I never said that nor suggested it, hence strawman) Solid Snake07 posted... There's an entire industry built around managing people's property for them. So what youre saying is that the people who are customers of this industry dont actually do anything to maanage their property other than provide the funding for someone else to do it? Huh funny that sounds like being a parasite with extra steps. Solid Snake07 posted... To say being a landlord requires no time or labor is braindead levels of stupid. You just said so yourself chief. And even disregarding your nonsense, you're not actually providing any support to your claims. Youre just saying landlords do "stuff" and insisting on it with no further explanation or argumentative support. Ive explained my position more than once, time to step off the soap box and actually participate in the discussion or stfu buddy.v --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950680593] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a direct response to what you're saying.</quote> Then quote where I said landlords just sit around collecting checks. (Hint: I never said that nor suggested it, hence strawman) Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>There's an entire industry built around managing people's property for them.</quote> So what youre saying is that the people who are customers of this industry dont actually do anything to maanage their property other than provide the funding for someone else to do it? Huh funny that sounds like being a parasite with extra steps. Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>To say being a landlord requires no time or labor is braindead levels of stupid.</quote> You just said so yourself chief. And even disregarding your nonsense, you're not actually providing any support to your claims. Youre just saying landlords do "stuff" and insisting on it with no further explanation or argumentative support. Ive explained my position more than once, time to step off the soap box and actually participate in the discussion or stfu buddy.v </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 02/15/21 9:10:46 PM #193:	CommonJoe posted... So what youre saying is that the people who are customers of this industry dont actually do anything to maanage their property other than provide the funding for someone else to do it? Huh funny that sounds like being a parasite with extra steps. ITP creating a job is morally reprehensible Lol, how old are you? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:950680702] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>CommonJoe posted... </cite> <quote>So what youre saying is that the people who are customers of this industry dont actually do anything to maanage their property other than provide the funding for someone else to do it? Huh funny that sounds like being a parasite with extra steps.</quote> ITP creating a job is morally reprehensible Lol, how old are you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 02/15/21 9:11:07 PM #194:	--- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:950680713] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 9:12:42 PM #195:	Solid Snake07 posted... ITP creating a job is morally reprehensible ITT: We pretend these jobs wont exist without landlords. Also, nice cherry pick too bad it wasnt ripe. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950680762] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>ITP creating a job is morally reprehensible</quote> ITT: We pretend these jobs wont exist without landlords. Also, nice cherry pick too bad it wasnt ripe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/16/21 1:29:23 AM #196:	NoxObscuras posted... Which is why I suggested more laws to help renters, rather than "abolish landlords" with no real solution as an alternative. The more I read these posts though, the more it seems like your issue is with landlords that own and rent out, single family homes. What about the ones that own apartment complexes? Do you have the same issue with those landlords? Yes, I do. It's not less exploitative if the owner hoards a larger amount of homes. And like I've mentioned before, I'm not in this topic to make or discuss a detailed policy proposal. How an abolition would look would of course have to vary a lot depending on where you are. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950686785] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>NoxObscuras posted... </cite> <quote>Which is why I suggested more laws to help renters, rather than "abolish landlords" with no real solution as an alternative. The more I read these posts though, the more it seems like your issue is with landlords that own and rent out, single family homes. What about the ones that own apartment complexes? Do you have the same issue with those landlords?</quote>Yes, I do. It's not less exploitative if the owner hoards a larger amount of homes. And like I've mentioned before, I'm not in this topic to make or discuss a detailed policy proposal. How an abolition would look would of course have to vary a lot depending on where you are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 02/16/21 1:36:17 AM #197:	This argument is so silly, but I can't look away. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:950686890] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>This argument is so silly, but I can't look away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/16/21 3:05:14 AM #198:	Solid Snake07 posted... Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right. agreed. its the main reason landlording should be abolished. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950688219] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Entitlement to someone else's time and work isn't a human right.</quote> agreed. its the main reason landlording should be abolished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/16/21 3:11:29 AM #199:	scar the 1 posted... Yes, I do. It's not less exploitative if the owner hoards a larger amount of homes. And like I've mentioned before, I'm not in this topic to make or discuss a detailed policy proposal. How an abolition would look would of course have to vary a lot depending on where you are. Indeed. In fact, most of the property on the planet is owned by only a few. Its much more profitable for international business conglomerates to have everyone pay them rent than to let people buy and own homes for themselves. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950688301] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, I do. It's not less exploitative if the owner hoards a larger amount of homes. And like I've mentioned before, I'm not in this topic to make or discuss a detailed policy proposal. How an abolition would look would of course have to vary a lot depending on where you are.</quote> Indeed. In fact, most of the property on the planet is owned by only a few. Its much more profitable for international business conglomerates to have everyone pay them rent than to let people buy and own homes for themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 02/16/21 3:20:05 AM #200:	Shablagoo posted... Its much more profitable for international business conglomerates to have everyone pay them rent than to let people buy and own homes for themselves. There are plenty of people who choose to rent because it's cheaper, more convenient, and less of a commitment than owning a home. Yes, it's a better investment to buy than to rent, but there are plenty of reasons to choose to rent. You act like landlords are forcing people to rent instead of buy, as if there aren't hundreds (even thousands) of homes on the sale market in any given region at any given time. Nobody is forced to rent, unless maybe they want to live in a huge city with a housing shortage, in which case it makes much more sense to rent an apartment than to try to buy an entire apartment building, wouldn't you say? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:950688407] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Its much more profitable for international business conglomerates to have everyone pay them rent than to let people buy and own homes for themselves.</quote>There are plenty of people who choose to rent because it's cheaper, more convenient, and less of a commitment than owning a home. Yes, it's a better investment to buy than to rent, but there are plenty of reasons to choose to rent. You act like landlords are forcing people to rent instead of buy, as if there aren't hundreds (even thousands) of homes on the sale market in any given region at any given time. Nobody is forced to rent, unless maybe they want to live in a huge city with a housing shortage, in which case it makes much more sense to rent an apartment than to try to buy an entire apartment building, wouldn't you say? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 02/16/21 4:01:42 AM #201:	theres no legitimate reason for landlords to exist. housing and land shouldn't be investment opportunities. there should be a ridiculous tax on property that does not have a permanent resident --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:950688908] in Landlords ... [t:79294769]...</cite> <quote>theres no legitimate reason for landlords to exist. housing and land shouldn't be investment opportunities. there should be a ridiculous tax on property that does not have a permanent resident </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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