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But...youre not even willing to present your intial assumption lmao

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Shablagoo posted...

But...youre not even willing to present your intial assumption lmao

The responses I get are the same either way so why bother?

Why bother posting at all if you have nothing to say?

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Modi only really cares about the Hindus in India, and would rather cater to big businesses that are able to undercut local businesses and destroy the land in the process, instead of considering the people of Punjab, which are mostly Sikhs.

Modi always uses policy to screw the minorities, he had put in an immigration/citizenship policy in place that basically stripped citizenship away from Muslims almost exclusively. As well as the hostile takeover of Kashmir

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what did Ja Rule say though

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Lol @ Broseph knowing absolutely nothing about a situation and just acting like he does in order to troll. Just ignore him guys - he loves the attention.

The farmers need more international attention. Good on these celebs and we need more like them.

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discodancer77 posted...

Modi only really cares about the Hindus in India, and would rather cater to big businesses that are able to undercut local businesses and destroy the land in the process, instead of considering the people of Punjab, which are mostly Sikhs.

Modi always uses policy to screw the minorities, he had put in an immigration/citizenship policy in place that basically stripped citizenship away from Muslims almost exclusively. As well as the hostile takeover of Kashmir

What else do you expect from a Hindu nationalist?
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Ooooooranges posted...

Lol @ Broseph knowing absolutely nothing about a situation and just acting like he does in order to troll. Just ignore him guys - he loves the attention.

No, trust him, hell be back with a cogent argument for his thus far non-existent point in no time.

The farmers need more international attention.

Agreed. Its cool to see more and more people picking up on this news as the months go by. I hope the workers persistent struggle pays off.


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https://youtu.be/MCyBL8dBOEo

BJP thinks this way towards all non-Hindu demographics

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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Then why bother showing up? Either continue to try and present information, and pre emptively strike down the arguments that will show up and why their sources are wrong, or stop trying to stir the pot.

Why not ask the people who support the protest without knowing anything about it to support their reasoning? Ever notice that the specifics of these bills are never mentioned, we just hear "protest in India" a lot without anyone ever bothering to mention why?

The Indian economy is an extreme form of dirigisme where the government plays a directive role instead of a regulatory one. Nationalization, protectionism, price controls, monopolies, state intervention, etc. It's largely why India has lagged behind other developing nations in economic growth and why poverty remains high in the country.

Some of these bad policies, like the Permit Raj system, were eliminated in 1990 as India faced an economic crisis and was forced to embrace limited economic reforms. But others remain. For example farmers in India cannot legally sell their goods on the open market! They must sell to APMCs, which are government granted local monopolies. The APMC must pay a legally mandated minimum price, but does not have to pay anything over that. Once the APMC buys the food from farmers they are legally able to sell it at market rate to whoever they want.

Obviously there are problems with such a dumb system. Because farmers have to sell at the minimum price but APMCs do not, it means all the profits go to these useless middlemen and not the farmers. The APMCs, being a government granted monopoly, have the power to charge above market rates which has resulted in rising food cost in India. Productivity increases which usually benefit both producer and consumer (it's more profitable to sell a larger quantity of goods at a cheaper price) are not realized in India because of the minimum price that must be paid. And if the market price for a good dips below the minimum price the government ends up buying all the surplus grain at an enormous cost to taxpayers.

But in a plot twist everyone saw coming, these APMCs are mostly run by politicians who aren't about to let go of their monopolies without a fight.

Ooooooranges posted...

Lol @ Broseph knowing absolutely nothing about a situation and just acting like he does in order to troll. Just ignore him guys - he loves the attention.

The farmers need more international attention. Good on these celebs and we need more like them.

Top 10 post made right before disaster.

Ooooooranges posted...

The farmers need more international attention. Good on these celebs and we need more like them.

Agreed. Too bad the celebs actually in India won't or can't speak up about it.

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Modi literally committed genocide and later got elected prime minister. His party has fascist roots and his platform is based on hindu nationalism.

I think this country recently passed laws outlawing muslim and hindu people from marrying each other....in the year 2020. Imagine that. They also ruled in favor of child molesters saying its legal to grope children through clothes because its not skin-to-skin contact and therefor not sexual. Where do all of our horrible news articles come from of gang rape where the perpetrators dont get in trouble? India.

Absolute shit tier government in a country that has conned the US into thinking they're a modernized country.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Too bad the celebs actually in India won't or can't speak up about it.

Or maybe they understand Indian issues better than like, Rihanna.

So basically what @Broseph_Stalin is saying, "millions of farmers are against the new farming bills, but they dont even realize its gonna help them!!! I understand the farm bills better than them!"

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MaddenDude-- posted...

So basically what @Broseph_Stalin is saying, "millions of farmers are against the new farming bills, but they dont even realize its gonna help them!!! I understand the farm bills better than them!"

Most farmers in the US support our subsidies to the industry as well. Doesn't make it good policy.

Maybe ask yourself why India is still so poor that such a large share of the population is still working in agriculture.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Most farmers in the US support our subsidies to the industry as well. Doesn't make it good policy.

Maybe ask yourself why India is still so poor that such a large share of the population is still working in agriculture.

"I know whats best for farmers, they don't know whats good for them"

Do you even listen to yourself?

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MaddenDude-- posted...

"I know whats best for farmers, they don't know whats good for them"

Do you even listen to yourself?

Are you going to explain why farmers in India should be forced to sell to a government granted monopoly or is this topic going exactly as I said it would?

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Are you going to explain why farmers in India should be forced to sell to a government granted monopoly or is this topic going exactly as I said it would?

So you choose to be ignorant, thats up to you.

Simple question, why would a country enact laws that ruin the lives of so many of its own people? Government is designed to protect its people and improve their livelihoods not to sacrifice them for the good of the economy.

Just a prototypical example of a government in the pocket of big business, sacrificing its poor and middle class for the benefit of the upper/rich class.

You wonder why India is such a poor country? Its because the government is controlled by the upper class and they will go to any length possible to maintain that class divide. Thats why all these indian aristocrats are spewing this anti protest propoganda.

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It opens big Monsanto-type companies to swoop in and undercut everyone, eat the loss and kill off competition

same sort of way Amazon will copy a popular product and price them out. But this isnt for some dropshipping hype item, its for food and peoples livelihoods

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MaddenDude-- posted...

Simple question, why would a country enact laws that ruin the lives of so many of its own people?

discodancer77 posted...

It opens big Monsanto-type companies to swoop in and undercut everyone, eat the loss and kill off competition

What part of "they're forced to sell to a government granted monopoly at a price they can't negotiate with" sounds liberating to you? This is how every government racket starts, you convince gullible people that fair competition will lead to exploitation and then they willingly allow government monopolies to be formed that do just that.

If you want to see what these bills look like in practice, look at any other country outside of India. If you can't explain why letting farmers sell to whoever they want is bad, leave the topic.

right now, the farmers are assured fair price for their crops because the buyer MUST buy (at the certain price) and in a certain time frame, so as not to pressure the farmers through spoilage of the crops. With the bills in place, the buyers can simply refuse to buy, until the farmers become desperate, and basically strongarm them into selling for dirt cheap. While at the same time, they can just be buying from the giant companies in the meantime

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discodancer77 posted...

right now, the farmers are assured fair price for their crops because the buyer MUST buy (at the certain price) and in a certain time frame

The farmers are assured a minimum price from the APMCs, not a fair price. If the market rate is below the minimum price it's a "win" for farmers because the government spends an enormous amount of money that is desperately needed elsewhere to buy up surplus grain. If the market rate is above the minimum however the farmer must still accept the minimum price from the APMC, who then sells at a market rate meaning they and the wealthy politicians who control them get the profits. Either way it's a grossly inefficient system.

discodancer77 posted...

With the bills in place, the buyers can simply refuse to buy, until the farmers become desperate, and basically strongarm them into selling for dirt cheap.

As I've already mentioned, you can look at basically any other country to see what it would look like with the bills in place. Preventing farmers from selling to whoever they want to is not normal. The government is scaremongering over exploitation so that it can continue exploiting people.

Dude stop gaslighting to make it seem like the issue is the farmers have a buy-sell agreement in place. The issue is that if there is no buy-sell agreement in place, they, the little guy, are the ones getting screwed. Either youre an idiot or youre trying to make it seem like you care about the farmers when you clearly dont

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discodancer77 posted...

The issue is that if there is no buy-sell agreement in place, they, the little guy, are the ones getting screwed.

Why do you continuously ignore my point that most countries don't have price controls in place or force farmers to sell to monopolies? Why do you ignore the fact that India underperforms by every metric against these countries?

The reason I didn't want to explain this stuff is that, exactly as I predicted, people don't like admitting they're part of the grift. People care more about virtue signaling than they do results.

Farming is a heavily subsidized industry in Canada, America and so on, but not in India. Also, most of these farmers are in huge debts due to being forced by policy to buy certain products, not to mention the land itself. Farmers in India are not going to have the luxury of shopping around, because the buyers can just wait it out until the food must be sold or risk being spoiled. Its not a sellers market in India, and policies such as the lack of subsidization and incentive in general for farmers ensures that theyll never be in the advantageous position. The buy-sell agreement ensures they have a buyer, are treated fairly, and in a timely manner. Stop pretending like the small time farmers are going to be the winners of these new bills, thats borderline propaganda.

Most farmers are Sikhs, and like mentioned, Modi and the BJP enact policy in an underhanded way to shit on any non-Hindu populations. Its as much a fight against discrimination as it is a fight against unregulated neoliberal business

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discodancer77 posted...

Farming is a heavily subsidized industry in Canada, America and so on, but not in India.

India spends around 3% of its entire GDP just on subsidizing farming dude. That's not much less than the US spends on our military. The government will literally buy up grain when the price dips below the minimum, it cost billions every single year. And the high debts are because farmers can never sell at market rate, only the minimum the APMC pays.

I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about.

You aren't refuting anything we're saying. And you seem to be agreeing that the farmers are protected now and they won't be with the new laws. You also haven't explained how this won't just lead to big business taking over farming and screwing over its farmers...which you yourself will agree is a large part of the population. Like I said, perfect example of Indian government being in the pockets of big business and screwing over its own citizens for the benefit of the rich.

Really the only people who don't see it that way seem to be hindu nationalist fucks.

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MaddenDude-- posted...

You also haven't explained how this won't just lead to big business taking over farming and screwing over its farmers...

I'm not going to repeat this again.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Why do you continuously ignore my point that most countries don't have price controls in place or force farmers to sell to monopolies? Why do you ignore the fact that India underperforms by every metric against these countries?

The bill gives farmers a choice between selling to private buyers or the existing APMCs. This will lead to farmers selling their goods directly to buyers which happens in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH. As opposed to now where they are forced to sell to a government monopoly that doesn't have to pay them market rates.

Solar_Crimson posted...

Agreed. Too bad the celebs actually in India won't or can't speak up about it.

The ones that are Hindu themselves or rich/connected to the party won't.

The others can't.
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*explains how your claim of a lack of buy-sell agreement being good is actually wrong*

>see? No ones listening to me

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discodancer77 posted...

*explains how your claim of a lack of buy-sell agreement being good is actually wrong*

Your "argument" was a false claim that India doesn't subsidize its agriculture industry.

Its not heavily subsidized, which is true. Agriculture is not a glamorous/lucrative industry there. Stop strawmanning, even if you nitpicked properly, it doesnt change the arguement, without a predetermined buy-sell agreement, Indian and Punjabi farmers would be getting the short end of the stick 100% of the time

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lock Rihanna up

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discodancer77 posted...

Its not heavily subsidized, which is true.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

India spends around 3% of its entire GDP just on subsidizing farming dude. That's not much less than the US spends on our military. The government will literally buy up grain when the price dips below the minimum, it cost billions every single year.

No one ever criticize me again for not bothering to explain things to people who don't want the truth.

Guy is just repeating himself and not actually refuting anything. Perfect example of when a guy thinks he's a genius in his own head but just appears like a clown to everyone else.

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MaddenDude-- posted...

Guy is just repeating himself and not actually refuting anything. Perfect example of when a guy thinks he's a genius in his own head but just appears like a clown to everyone else.

How is India heavily subsidizing its agriculture industry not a refutation of a claim that they don't do that?

Notice this topic played out exactly like I said it would.

Long live the union

https://youtu.be/pCnEAH5wCzo

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Anyways, we can talk semantics as much as we like, but theres no excuse or explanation for the clear human rights violations

cutting internet, water, detaining reporters and denying freedom of press, heavy censorship, denying the rights of protest and assembly, controlling the media, religious discrimination, police brutality, and so on. There are videos of farmers being dragged bloody and beaten. Crowds being sprayed with water cannons and tear gas. A protester found dead with a bullet in his head. Government-hired goons posing as violent protesters in efforts to de-legitimize the movement. Modi has made no comment on the protests at all, it doesnt exist to him

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dude is a hindu nationalist, no point in arguing with him. he doesn't actually reply to any points.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Broseph hates the working class no matter who or where they are

But they are what cause food to come to his table. How can he hate us?

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Isn't it interesting how India's economic policies have kept most of the country impoverished, yet the people who support badly needed reforms are the ones who get accused of not caring about the poor?

Must be nice to sit in a developed nation, enjoying the quality of life provided by our economic system, while wishing the exact opposite on the developing world. All to impress your fellow suburban leftist who care more about virtue signaling than outcomes.

But shock is a bernie bro so we all know where he got his hatred of the global poor from.

Shablagoo posted...

But they are what cause food to come to his table. How can he hate us?

The whole reason class systems can exist is so that the least productive members of society can look down on the productive members of society while hoarding the resources. Basically, contempt for the people who work, and the bourgeois lifestyle, go hand-in-hand.

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Lol, if Modi's policy truly is beneficial for farmers then why isn't he tweeting about it? All he has done so far ever since the whole world got the attention is that he filled the Media's and celebrities' pockets with money to prevent a "supposed propaganda" against India. Heck, likes of Akshay Kumar, Ajay Devgn, Karan Johar etc. have posted very similar tweets.

No one is stopping Modi from clearing things out. The fact that some of his paid public are telling foreigners to "stay out of our personal problems" just indicates that Modi's policy is indeed wrong and can destroy the lives of the farmers who majority of them are Sikh and Modi hasn't been friendly to them.

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Aitz posted...

No one is stopping Modi from clearing things out. The fact that some of his paid public are telling foreigners to "stay out of our personal problems" just indicates that Modi's policy is indeed wrong and can destroy the lives of the farmers who majority of them are Sikh and Modi hasn't been friendly to them.

That one woman who tweeted something like that and then was asked if she felt the same way when she married her husband when he was already married to another woman has to be one of the best Twitter destructions I've ever seen.
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Hasan Minhaj has a pretty good Patriot Act episode out on YouTube/Netflix highlight Indian Politics and Modi in particular

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@Bio1590 posted...

Aitz posted...

No one is stopping Modi from clearing things out. The fact that some of his paid public are telling foreigners to "stay out of our personal problems" just indicates that Modi's policy is indeed wrong and can destroy the lives of the farmers who majority of them are Sikh and Modi hasn't been friendly to them.

That one woman who tweeted something like that and then was asked if she felt the same way when she married her husband when he was already married to another woman has to be one of the best Twitter destructions I've ever seen.

Do you have a link? Sounds like something I'd want to take a look at
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Aitz posted...

Lol, if Modi's policy truly is beneficial for farmers then why isn't he tweeting about it?

Look at this topic. India's terrible farming laws were explained in detail. Telling the truth doesn't mean you change public opinion, people believe what they want to believe.