Current Events > Over 12,000 Scientists Sign 'Anti-Lockdown' Petition

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"Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short- and long-term public health," the petition said. "Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed."

The declaration, which was named after the town in Massachusetts it was signed in, has signatures from 12,070 medical and public health scientists, 34,973 medical practitioners and 634,836 concerned citizens from around the world.

https://www.newsweek.com/over-12000-scientists-sign-anti-lockdown-petition-saying-measures-will-cause-irreparable-1548490

never thought I would disagree with thousands of scientists tbh


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Honestly, I get it. People are losing homes and businesses. But... I hate this

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Oh, herd immunity rears its head again. That thing that only works once enough people are vaccinated.

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why are the repubs not crying out "fake names! FRAUD!!!" with literally zero evidence over this?

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Is this the same website that said bodycams are racist?

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How many scientists would sign a lockdown petition
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Monolith1676 posted...

Is this the same website that said bodycams are racist?

Newsweek? I doubt it, its a pretty mainstream source, I dont think its known to be a conservative platform at least

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Monolith1676 posted...

Is this the same website that said bodycams are racist?

According to MediaBiasFactCheck, NewsWeek is left of center and has a "mostly factual" rating.

Kind of not surprised by this, responsible people have been locking down for like almost a year and it wears a person down.

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WTF we HATE science now!
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voldothegr8 posted...

WTF we HATE science now!

Like I said, I never thought I would be disagreeing with thousands of scientists. But who knows, maybe not having lockdowns would be better in the long run, especially if lockdowns are affecting underprivileged communities disproportionately.

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They're probably right

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Be quiet, Kazi

Smackems posted...

They're probably right

No, people just need to follow the science.

Next I bet you think doctors should be practicing medicine without politicians superceding their judgement

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No one wants the lockdown.

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Smackems posted...

They're probably right

Tell that to counties who locked down properly and are now doing fine. The only reason the Lockdown won't work for us now as we never did it correctly.

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You could have everything open if people weren't stupid. But people are stupid so you need to do these types of things. If people could just act like adults instead of entitled children we'd be a much better spot.

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We didn't even have A lock-down yet.

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I mean if people start gathering in the masses, the amount of people infected/dying will simply increase.

There was a point and time when the coronavirus could of been controlled had people simply stayed home during the initial start of the coronavirus, people ignored it and now we're dealing with the long term effects of the coronavirus which is still unknown to every doctor.

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Hopefully we can get enough people vaccinated that we dont have to worry about lockdowns any more.
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David1988 posted...

Newsweek? I doubt it, its a pretty mainstream source, I dont think its known to be a conservative platform at least

I found the article.

https://www.newsweek.com/police-body-camera-incident-report-memory-civil-rights-minority-711584

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creativerealms posted...

Tell that to counties who locked down properly and are now doing fine. The only reason the Lockdown won't work for us now as we never did it correctly.

Look I'm not gonna argue about it, i don't know enough either way

That's not just directed at you. Also I don't mean it to sound as rude as it does lol

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Not once in the history of the world has Herd Immunity been a thing without a vaccine.

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Everyone knows the 'cure' has been far more devastating than the virus itself.

But oh well, just mask up and hope things will eventually get better. Can't even protest the government.

creativerealms posted...

Tell that to counties who locked down properly and are now doing fine.

Which countries are those?
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Monolith1676 posted...

I found the article.

https://www.newsweek.com/police-body-camera-incident-report-memory-civil-rights-minority-711584

Once again you're unable to actually read past the headline.

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I wonder what damage calculus they used to determine lockdowns might be a net negative in the long run. Like obviously in their calculations they have to consider the tens of thousands of people that will die without lockdowns, but then how do you measure that against the long term effects of having lockdowns? I feel like the question of whether we should have lockdowns or not might be a harder question to answer with certainty than most people realize.

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Since we're a year into it, we can pull death rates from 2019 and 2020

2018/2019- 2,800,000 deaths each
2020 - 3,100,000 deaths

For simplicity's sake, let's say Covid directly contributed to 300,000 deaths. The other 2,800,000 died earlier than expected- you can kinda see that in the data in late spring

You can probably parce the numbers down further to see if suicides and addiction related deaths are up (they are). You'll probably also see that these deaths will be abnormally high in school aged children as well.

Not speaking about deaths, mental health has taken a massive hit, especially in adolescents. Who knows how hard these effects will last on this generation.

There's tons more, but you're right, it's a lot of damage calculus. However, I guess we won't need to do any. We can do a Cali vs Florida show down in 5 years


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Smackems posted...

Look I'm not gonna argue about it, i don't know enough either way

That's not just directed at you. Also I don't mean it to sound as rude as it does lol

I agree that a lockdown is pointless now. Because I feel the virus is too spread out now. He have failed containment.

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If you shut everything down you have to pay everyone, there's really no way around it.

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Guess it is time to ignore the science....

Or do we stick with the science and keep using it just when the scientists agree with our political views?

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voldothegr8 posted...

Which countries are those?

Probabaly a small, isolated, low populated island nation like Finland or something.

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David1988 posted...

Like I said, I never thought I would be disagreeing with thousands of scientists. But who knows, maybe not having lockdowns would be better in the long run, especially if lockdowns are affecting underprivileged communities disproportionately.

So Yeah lets just kill off all of the elderly and the immunocompromised like their lives don't matter? Okay?

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That's not very many, as a percentage.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Not only is a vaccine available, but vaccines are available

available yes. not even enough to go around.
it's all going into the elderly and frontline health workers atm.
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It's good to have scientists on the anti-lockdown side because unlike most measures, lockdowns have resulted in way too much authoritarianism among governors and other politicians and hasn't done much good in the long run, especially for the economy.
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David1988 posted...

Like I said, I never thought I would be disagreeing with thousands of scientists. But who knows, maybe not having lockdowns would be better in the long run, especially if lockdowns are affecting underprivileged communities disproportionately.

Are you a scientist?

I've been saying this from the beginning, that people only say "trust the science" to the science they agree with.

Thousands of doctors were banned from social media and had their videos taken down early in the pandemic for saying exactly what these scientists are saying now. This isn't anything new.

The narrative will suddenly shift now that Biden is president:
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1353817475981451264

Suddenly "herd immunity" is what's in fashion. After all, we have to keep feeding the economic machine. Remember though, democrats would supposedly have handled covid better instead of grinding people up in favor of "the economy" (making money for the rich).

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Are you a scientist?

I've been saying this from the beginning, that people only say "trust the science" to the science they agree with.

Thousands of doctors were banned from social media and had their videos taken down early in the pandemic for saying exactly what these scientists are saying now. This isn't anything new.

This is actually a fair point. I guess my instinctive gut reaction is to be in favor of lockdowns which is at the root of my disagreements with these scientists, I dont have any data to backup my position though.


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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Not only is a vaccine available, but vaccines are available. Id also like to know what the background of the scientists and medical practitioners are.

Somehow no one has pointed out that the petition being discussed is from October 4th. This article itself is over two months old.

Average daily new cases in early October were around 43k and had been beneath 50k for almost two months. When this article was posted, that was up to over 150k. Today we're at about 175k, two weeks removed from that figure being over 250k.
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I think they should go forward with this plan just to see how many people they can kill

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These "scientists sign petition" stories are always fake in one way or another. And even if they weren't, petitions are a political tool, not a scientific one, so it should be irrelevant even if true.
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Prismsblade posted...

Probabaly a small, isolated, low populated island nation like Finland or something.

Finland isn't an island

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Turtlebread posted...

this plan just to see how many people they can kill

that's already being practiced in public. in areas where non-mask use is encouraged.
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