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scar the 1
01/25/21 7:36:17 AM
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https://www.dailyposter.com/p/news-biden-lifts-health-care-plan

President-elect Joe Bidens new COVID relief plan does not adopt existing Democratic legislation to expand government sponsored medical coverage nor does it propose a promised public health insurance option. Instead, it adopts proposals from health insurance lobbying groups recent letter to lawmakers demanding lucrative new subsidies for insurance companies, at a moment when those corporations have recorded record profits as millions lose coverage and many face claims denials.

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Bidens inaugural committee has received donations from at least two major health insurers, Anthem and Centene, which both offer plans on state marketplace exchanges. Centenes CEO bundled donations for Bidens presidential campaign, and Bidens first major campaign fundraiser was headlined by Independence Blue Crosss CEO.

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Biden consistently campaigned in support of a public health insurance option, and after the primary, a joint task force made up of Biden and Sanders allies negotiated a fairly robust public option plan.

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Now, on the eve of his presidency, Biden is proposing a much more conservative health insurance expansion plan proposed by the health insurance industry. If enacted, the plan could head off any talk in Washington of a public option plan down the road.

What a surprising turn of events

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BroodRyu
01/25/21 7:37:44 AM
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Amazing. Will America ever take even the tiniest of baby steps towards decent health coverage?
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Cheater87
01/25/21 7:38:15 AM
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You think during a fucking pandemic nationalized healthcare would be a thing people want, but years of pro private propaganda have hammered in that it is evil.

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BroodRyu
01/25/21 7:41:22 AM
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Cheater87 posted...
You think during a fucking pandemic nationalized healthcare would be a thing people want, but years of pro private propaganda have hammered in that it is evil.
I never get it. People always say they love their health insurance and then five minutes later theyre yelling and screaming at me in the pharmacy when their medication isnt covered or they have to pay $300 a month until they hit their deductible.
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Were_Wyrm
01/25/21 7:44:37 AM
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Gee who could have seen this coming...

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BlueTigerLion
01/25/21 7:45:04 AM
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If Dems wanted a progressive they would have voted to make Bernie the nominee. In either 2016 or 2020.

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pinky0926
01/25/21 7:45:28 AM
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Americans astonish me to no end

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teepan95
01/25/21 7:50:03 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Gee who could have seen this coming...

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Doe
01/25/21 7:59:00 AM
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this is the kind of news that makes me want to move to europe

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scar the 1
01/25/21 8:02:16 AM
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People are literally dying because if policy like this. And have been for a long time.

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Solar_Crimson
01/25/21 8:05:10 AM
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Another reason why, while Biden is lightyears better than Trump, he still isn't the ideal choice.

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Ilishe
01/25/21 8:08:29 AM
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Again

Did you really think things would be different?

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Doom_Art
01/25/21 8:08:42 AM
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Didn't read

Is it about how healthcare reform isn't in the relief they're planning to pass via reconciliation

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LightHawKnight
01/25/21 8:09:22 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Another reason why, while Biden is lightyears better than Trump, he still isn't the ideal choice.

I wonder why people think people voted Biden cause they actually wanted him as president. He is the lesser of two evils.

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scar the 1
01/25/21 8:09:59 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Another reason why, while Biden is lightyears better than Trump, he still isn't the ideal choice.
For someone currently broke or in large debt because of medical bills, I can honestly say that I can't think of a strong argument why they should care to vote in the presidential election in the first place.

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Doom_Art
01/25/21 8:11:46 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
For someone currently broke or in large debt because of medical bills, I can honestly say that I can't think of a strong argument why they should care to vote in the presidential election in the first place.
Also this is stupid

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01/25/21 8:11:57 AM
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Were_Wyrm posted...
Gee who could have seen this coming...


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Southernfatman
01/25/21 8:16:15 AM
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Sure are a bunch of Trump supporters here in this topic. /s

Both parties have corruption issues. Obviously big pharma knows who to pay.

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Were_Wyrm
01/25/21 8:22:06 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Both parties have corruption issues. Obviously big pharma knows who to pay.
That's their secret, they donate to everyone.

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scar the 1
01/25/21 8:27:18 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Also this is stupid
Feel free to elaborate. Note that I'm saying that I struggle to see how you would convince someone to vote for candidates in an election when their very very dire personal situation would seem to not change at all

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CableZL
01/25/21 8:29:43 AM
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I'm not sure the goal of the covid relief plan was to provide a public option for the ACA in the first place. I thought it was primarily to provide funding for testing, tracing, vaccinations, etc.

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Doom_Art
01/25/21 8:32:25 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Feel free to elaborate. Note that I'm saying that I struggle to see how you would convince someone to vote for candidates in an election when their very very dire personal situation would seem to not change at all
A) It's literally not been a week yet. Let's shelve the hysterics and both sidesing for the moment. If they're passing covid relief via reconciliation then a public option can't be included anyway.

B) The last decade (or at least 2010-2017) should be a very nice example of what happens when people decide they can't be bothered to vote.

If you don't think your vote will change your life then just not voting at all is a way to make absolutely sure it doesn't.

And there is clearly a better candidate even if they're not 100% your pick

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COVxy
01/25/21 8:32:32 AM
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I hadn't heard anything about Biden pursing Healthcare Reform at the moment.

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treewojima
01/25/21 8:36:28 AM
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It boils down to $$$

The health insurance lobby has more money than the American people do, money is speech, and our politicians are listening intently to whoever speaks the loudest
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Orchestrion
01/25/21 8:38:00 AM
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Dems have complete control and people are already making excuses for their inaction. This is going to be an incredibly frustrating two years. Would love to get proven wrong by the obnoxious centrists on this site but I dont think thats gonna happen.

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Doom_Art
01/25/21 8:38:15 AM
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COVxy posted...
I hadn't heard anything about Biden pursing Healthcare Reform at the moment.
Yeah I dunno what the article is on about. Healthcare reform/a public option was never being included in COVID relief

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scar the 1
01/25/21 8:47:45 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
A) It's literally not been a week yet. Let's shelve the hysterics and both sidesing for the moment. If they're passing covid relief via reconciliation then a public option can't be included anyway.

B) The last decade (or at least 2010-2017) should be a very nice example of what happens when people decide they can't be bothered to vote.

If you don't think your vote will change your life then just not voting at all is a way to make absolutely sure it doesn't.

And there is clearly a better candidate even if they're not 100% your pick
A) It's literally not been a week yet and Biden is already appeasing his donors from the health insurance industry, yes.

B) I'm aware, but in the post you're responding to, I'm talking from the perspective of someone who already can't afford medical bills. I.e., someone who is kept in extreme debt and poverty because of medical bills. Their immediate concern of struggling to pay bills imposed by a predatory system has not been credibly addressed by any president.

I'm not saying Biden is just as bad as Trump. It seems like that's how you're reading me. I'm saying that from the perspective of a certain vulnerable group, it's hard to see why Biden wouldn't look as bad as Trump. You don't have to try and convince me that Trump is worse than Biden. I know that.

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Cheater87
01/25/21 8:54:06 AM
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Biden is barley left, I only voted for the lessor of 2 evils not because of his policies.

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Kolibri X
01/25/21 8:54:24 AM
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I'm glad Biden hasn't forgotten about the companies that got him elected.

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The Trent
01/25/21 8:55:49 AM
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4 more years of CE political butthurt lol

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Solar_Crimson
01/25/21 8:59:14 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
For someone currently broke or in large debt because of medical bills, I can honestly say that I can't think of a strong argument why they should care to vote in the presidential election in the first place.
Because people not voting is what got us Trump in the first place.

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scar the 1
01/25/21 8:59:24 AM
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The Trent posted...
4 more years of CE political butthurt lol
I don't think that will ever stop, as long as CE is still alive

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scar the 1
01/25/21 9:00:06 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Because people not voting is what got us Trump in the first place.
Trump is not the cause of all the problems in America. In fact, many of the issues predate him getting elected.

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The Trent
01/25/21 9:00:11 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
I don't think that will ever stop, as long as CE is still alive

if bernie had won...

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LightHawKnight
01/25/21 9:16:05 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Feel free to elaborate. Note that I'm saying that I struggle to see how you would convince someone to vote for candidates in an election when their very very dire personal situation would seem to not change at all

People like you are why Trump was ever president.

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Dark_SilverX
01/25/21 9:17:08 AM
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I knew Biden would save us.

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The Trent
01/25/21 9:18:00 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
People like you are why Trump was ever president.

lol

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Southernfatman
01/25/21 9:18:09 AM
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The Trent posted...
4 more years of CE political butthurt lol

Being potentially bankrupted due to insane medical costs is a thing to be legitimately butthurt about, I think.

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The Trent
01/25/21 9:18:13 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
i blame you for this, european!

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LightHawKnight
01/25/21 9:21:10 AM
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Apparently europeans can some how vote in the US.

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The Trent
01/25/21 9:21:30 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Apparently europeans can some how vote in the US.

russian interference?

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treewojima
01/25/21 9:22:10 AM
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Well, they can, illegally. Why do you think there was so much voter fraud???
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loafy013
01/25/21 9:22:55 AM
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President-elect Joe Bidens new COVID relief plan

Almost like this is a targeted bill and not trying to overhaul/change an entire system.

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ssjevot
01/25/21 9:25:09 AM
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Everyone in the US talks about insurance when the issue is the costs. When I first moved to Japan I didn't have insurance. I paid $50 for a full physical that included blood work and a chest X-ray.

Having insurance for everyone may be a step in the right direction but I know for a fact even people with insurance pay a co-pay that is massive. There is no reason for the costs to be so much higher in the US than other countries.

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scar the 1
01/25/21 9:30:07 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
People like you are why Trump was ever president.
lmao, I am so sorry for somehow getting Trump elected despite not participating in your election

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Justindbz
01/25/21 9:30:53 AM
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You guys are right Biden should have all ready had a comprehensive health care plan week one! All he had to to do is use Trump's comprehensive health care plan which I heard is much better than ObamaCare and just change the name.

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CableZL
01/25/21 9:36:03 AM
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Justindbz posted...
You guys are right Biden should have all ready had a comprehensive health care plan week one! All he had to to do is use Trump's comprehensive health care plan which I heard is much better than ObamaCare and just change the name.
Trump's healthcare plan will be ready in a few weeks.

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onedarksoul
01/25/21 9:40:02 AM
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I wonder when the Trump deflecting will cease as a method to cover Joe's inadequacies, to put it mildly. Maybe 4 years is enough time.

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