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AlCalavicci
01/10/21 2:30:24 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I understand it's from the 80s and that it's not guaranteed to age well when it's 30+ years old.

But, I'm almost 40 episodes in, and so far I've seen multiple instances of (12 year old?) dong, and some kinda racist portraits of African Americans.

Really uncomfortable to watch, especially when my fiance is in the room. Then there's the obvious pervertedness that comes along with a lof of anime

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MrNintendo1213
01/10/21 3:40:30 AM
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It's funny mostly. It really shouldn't be that awkward unless someone can't understand context.

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ViewtifulGrave
01/10/21 3:47:50 AM
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AlCalavicci posted...
and some kinda racist portraits of African Americans.
Who are you talking about? Staff Officer Black and Mr. Popo dont show up till later.

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JTilly
01/10/21 3:48:52 AM
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Yeah... DBZ is where its at

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MrNintendo1213
01/10/21 3:51:04 AM
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JTilly posted...
Yeah... DBZ is where its at
Nah. OG Dragon Ball is way more fun to watch.

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pegusus123456
01/10/21 3:57:06 AM
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I believe Japan doesn't see nudity the same way we do. To them, there's nothing perverted about kids being nude, so there's nothing wrong with drawing them naked that way.

As for the racist caricatures, Japan hasn't come that far <_<

Here's Sister Krone, a character from a 2016 manga/2020 anime.
https://i.imgur.com/nLNG9AQ.jpg

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JTilly
01/10/21 3:58:05 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
Nah. OG Dragon Ball is way more fun to watch.
Weirdo

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Kaiganeer
01/10/21 4:02:12 AM
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mr popo will remember that
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IndustrialTrudg
01/10/21 4:13:58 AM
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JTilly posted...
Weirdo

No hes right. It's way more fun to watch and the action scenes are superior.

Also not being PC is a good thing.

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Bass_X0
01/10/21 4:20:53 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I believe Japan doesn't see nudity the same way we do. To them, there's nothing perverted about kids being nude, so there's nothing wrong with drawing them naked that way.

As for the racist caricatures, Japan hasn't come that far <_<

Here's Sister Krone, a character from a 2016 manga/2020 anime.
https://i.imgur.com/nLNG9AQ.jpg

How is that image racist? Its just a depiction of a black lady.

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Alkeez
01/10/21 4:37:11 AM
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I remember seeing that Dragon Ball main guy (I think) walking into a trailer and finding a woman sleeping and he started bumping his finger at her panties until she woke up, cause he was curious. Very much not PC, haha

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Chicken
01/10/21 4:39:02 AM
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Pretty sure the guy that made dragon ball also wrote a comic about a woman super hero that just gets raped a bunch.

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Umbreon
01/10/21 4:40:52 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I believe Japan doesn't see nudity the same way we do. To them, there's nothing perverted about kids being nude, so there's nothing wrong with drawing them naked that way.


Yep. I think they consider it a form of purity. That's why in Mother 2, there's a scene where Ness is naked(Though I don't think anything is showing...), where as Earthbound he's wearing pajamas.

And yeah Japan still has some issues with black people. Not in a "We hate them" sense, but a "Wait, they exist?" way.

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pegusus123456
01/10/21 4:56:57 AM
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Bass_X0 posted...
How is that image racist? Its just a depiction of a black lady.
It's not the best picture to demonstrate what I'm talking about. The real issue is when they want to make her look intimidating, they exaggerate her features until it's almost unarguably a mammy caricature.
https://twitter.com/ohheydj/status/1089299079253843968
https://twitter.com/OhHeyDJ/status/1089300544479346688

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Awakened_Link
01/10/21 4:58:25 AM
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DBZ is way better than the original DB.

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Bass_X0
01/10/21 5:10:46 AM
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Umbreon posted...
Yep. I think they consider it a form of purity. That's why in Mother 2, there's a scene where Ness is naked(Though I don't think anything is showing...), where as Earthbound he's wearing pajamas.

And yeah Japan still has some issues with black people. Not in a "We hate them" sense, but a "Wait, they exist?" way.

At least they are not doing what China is to Muslims.

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Southernfatman
01/10/21 5:17:19 AM
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I like Dragon Ball a lot more than Z. DB is just more fun. Martial arts are more featured and not every fight is just down to ki blasts and the fast punching/dodging sequences. It's more adventurous and when the tournaments hit they seem like a big deal.

There's some questionable stuff in it, but it doesn't bother me that bad.

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Smackems
01/10/21 5:18:58 AM
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I hate political correctness and even I had some wtf moments watching dragonball

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NeonOctopus
01/10/21 5:19:27 AM
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OG Dragonball is basically Sex Jokes: The Anime for the first 50 episodes and I love it >_>

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NeonOctopus
01/10/21 10:15:08 AM
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Reminder that Bulma shows her boobs for 2 frames in episode 71

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Scotty_Rogers
01/10/21 10:16:42 AM
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It's a terrible franchise from start to finish.

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Bass_X0
01/10/21 10:52:00 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
OG Dragonball is basically Sex Jokes: The Anime for the first 50 episodes and I love it >_>

It didn't become cool and popular until Dragon Ball Z, so they couldn't be expected to restrain themselves in writing Dragon Ball just so they wouldn't embarrass Dragon Ball Z.

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Vicious_Dios
01/10/21 10:53:56 AM
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Og Dragonball is boring as fuck.

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NeonOctopus
01/10/21 10:59:47 AM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Og Dragonball is boring as fuck.
Whaaaaat I think it's way more fun than DBZ in term of adventure and characters

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AlCalavicci
01/10/21 11:43:29 AM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Who are you talking about? Staff Officer Black and Mr. Popo dont show up till later.

there have been a couple of one off characters that are super dark skin with giant round red lips

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Vicious_Dios
01/10/21 11:57:33 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Whaaaaat I think it's way more fun than DBZ in term of adventure and characters

Cap

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NeonOctopus
01/10/21 11:59:01 AM
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I'm old. what's cap?

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Cheater87
01/10/21 12:01:23 PM
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I just finished DBZ and before that the original. Love em both. They censored a character in later series by making him blue instead of black.


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AlCalavicci
01/10/21 10:23:48 PM
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Goku literally just stuck his power pole up a dude's ass

Not exaggerating

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ArchNemo
01/10/21 10:26:42 PM
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Cancel Goku
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Unsugarized_Foo
01/10/21 10:37:33 PM
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I was listening to some Loveline from 2001, and the fact they said f**,g***, s***,h****,*c******,b*****, and some other stuff uncensored was interesting. Its a friggin' syndicated radio show with millions of listeners

The guest was Carlos Mencia, which led to lots of hot race talk. I was kinda surprised how smart Carlos was given his reputation

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Kelystic
01/10/21 10:38:50 PM
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dont shoot him he isnt black
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DarthDemented
01/10/21 11:06:36 PM
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Alkeez posted...
I remember seeing that Dragon Ball main guy (I think) walking into a trailer and finding a woman sleeping and he started bumping his finger at her panties until she woke up, cause he was curious. Very much not PC, haha
You saw the edited version. He manages to take her panties off and freaks because he doesn't see her balls screaming her balls are gone. It wakes her up but she thinks he means the dragon balls were stolen.

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DarthDemented
01/10/21 11:07:23 PM
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Kaiganeer posted...
mr popo will remember that
All these squares make a circle!

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Trickfinger
01/10/21 11:08:38 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
It's funny mostly. It really shouldn't be that awkward unless someone can't understand context.


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vigorm0rtis
01/10/21 11:08:45 PM
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DB is the purified essence of what makes anime shit.

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Trickfinger
01/10/21 11:11:14 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
It didn't become cool and popular until Dragon Ball Z, so they couldn't be expected to restrain themselves in writing Dragon Ball just so they wouldn't embarrass Dragon Ball Z.
It became cool and popular with the first tournament.

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mehmeh1
01/10/21 11:42:51 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
It's not the best picture to demonstrate what I'm talking about. The real issue is when they want to make her look intimidating, they exaggerate her features until it's almost unarguably a mammy caricature.
https://twitter.com/ohheydj/status/1089299079253843968
https://twitter.com/OhHeyDJ/status/1089300544479346688
as someone not too knowledgeable on racial stereotypes, what is "mammy"?

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pegusus123456
01/11/21 12:53:13 AM
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mehmeh1 posted...
as someone not too knowledgeable on racial stereotypes, what is "mammy"?
If you know Aunt Jemima, then you know what a mammy is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_stereotype

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Trickfinger
01/11/21 12:54:28 AM
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in tom and jerry, tom's owner was a mammy at least in the early episodes

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Sephiroth C Ryu
01/11/21 1:12:27 AM
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In response to OP:

So what? It was a different culture then, on top of being a DIFFERENT culture from your own to begin with. I don't think I need to assume this latter part as you are literally unaware of this and still speaking in clear English.

Cultural differences are a thing (specifically, that Japan until comparatively recently thought much less negatively about nudity).

As for racial stuff? Japan even now is a fairly xenophobic place. And were so for basically the past 100+ years. They are not unwilling to imagine a foreigner type character in a good role, mind you, they just have some... difficulty in disposing of generation-old stereotypes they lift from other nations, since they look easy to draw, funny, and they don't really get why other nations needed to actually get rid of them (at the time they animated Dragon Ball anyway).
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Bad_Mojo
01/11/21 1:17:56 AM
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If you want to skip that sort of stuff, you can just watch the amazing tournaments. There is still a couple of things, but it's mostly awesome fighting.

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PoundGarden
01/11/21 1:26:48 AM
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Fuck me I hate anime, its all basically the same. Never watched Dragonball but let me see if I can guess the characters:
1 - Stupid but lovable guy
2 - Food obsessed/fat guy (may also be combined with "stupid guy")
3 - Asshole guy
4 - Badass guy that barely talks
5 - Horny guy
6 - Super powerful kid who needs to unlock his TRUE POTENTIAL
7 - A girl or two to perv on, may end up with Horny Guy

It's just soooooo cringe

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/11/21 1:33:10 AM
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PoundGarden posted...
Fuck me I hate anime, its all basically the same. Never watched Dragonball but let me see if I can guess the characters:
1 - Stupid but lovable guy
2 - Food obsessed/fat guy (may also be combined with "stupid guy")
3 - Asshole guy
4 - Badass guy that barely talks
5 - Horny guy
6 - Super powerful kid who needs to unlock his TRUE POTENTIAL
7 - A girl or two to perv on, may end up with Horny Guy

It's just soooooo cringe

what anime have you watched

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RustyFerret
01/11/21 1:33:32 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I believe Japan doesn't see nudity the same way we do. To them, there's nothing perverted about kids being nude, so there's nothing wrong with drawing them naked that way.

As for the racist caricatures, Japan hasn't come that far <_<

Here's Sister Krone, a character from a 2016 manga/2020 anime.
https://i.imgur.com/nLNG9AQ.jpg
This character looks like they would fit right in with the boondocks cast honestly.
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Trickfinger
01/11/21 1:36:01 AM
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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...
what anime have you watched
sounds like he's watched every shonen.

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