Poll of the Day > I beat Super Mario Sunshine for the first rimetoday.

(+) Yeah! (+)

only took me 18.5 years

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Was it wet and/or wild?

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Did you get all 120 shines?

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I haven't done that! I want to!

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Fuck that game

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Did you get all 120 shines?

no, I have like 65 lol
gonna try to get as many as I can
ReturnOfFa posted...

I haven't done that! I want to!

3D All Stars!

RCtheWSBC posted...

Fuck that game

I love and hate the game. Its super nostalgic and I think its fun but its its easily the least polished Nintendo game ever made.

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The controls on 3D All Stars pissed me off lol. I haven't touched it since they updated it. I should start with SM64 I guess.

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RCtheWSBC posted...

The controls on 3D All Stars pissed me off lol. I haven't touched it since they updated it. I should start with SM64 I guess.

Ive been using a Power A GameCube controller for switch.

64 is so dated though. I highly doubt I ever finish it.

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idk what that is so Im not gonna click on it

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Ye I have 3D All-Stars. I've played the most of 64, but made some decent ground in Sunshine. I don't think I've ever made it past 40 something shines.

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I just did the first 7 episodes of each area. The secret (the parts without the FLUDD) areas fuckin suck but I dont think I died more than 3 or 4 times on any of them. The one with the chucksters is fucking awful though.

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I don't know if you're gonna try to get all 120 Shine Sprites but the Blue Coins are complete and utter trash and pretty much force you to use a guide to get them all. And yeah the Chuckster mission is notoriously horrid along with the poison river and pachinko machine.

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yeah Im not doing the panchinko shit, poison river or blue coins lol

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I don't blame you, I like Sunshine but it's the only Mario platformer I haven't beaten 100% because of its BS

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I got the 120 on 64, Shnshine, and Galaxy (debating about doing it again with Luigi), and it was wild to me how bad Sunshine is. Impossible to find blue coins, annoying gimmicks, bad controls, glitchy af, etc. No wonder they didn't rerelease this game earlier <_< I'd also try to forget about it.

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Your first rime? I prefer the Ancient Mariner, myself.

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I just finished replaying it, it's not a bad game by general standards, but compared to other 3D Mario games it sucks so bad. So many "what the hell were they thinking" moments in it

rimetoday lol

goofed the topic title so now your entire playing of the game is moot unfortunately

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I've 100%'d SM64 multiple times ever since I got my 64 back in the late 90's.

Prior to the release of 3D Allstars, I've 100%'d Sunshine and Galaxy a grand total of once each both at their respective eras.

I remember getting Galaxy a couple of days earlier and I actually managed to get all 120 stars with Mario before the actual launch of the game lol

Anyway, I only 100%'d both games once because they were kinda a slog to get through unlike SM64 which only take a couple of hours at most.

So far in 3D Allstars I've only 100%'d SM64 and Sunshine.
I've only gotten around 25 stars in Galaxy though and I dunno why but I haven't quite had the energy to start get really into Galaxy yet.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

I got the 120 on 64, Shnshine, and Galaxy (debating about doing it again with Luigi), and it was wild to me how bad Sunshine is. Impossible to find blue coins, annoying gimmicks, bad controls, glitchy af, etc. No wonder they didn't rerelease this game earlier <_< I'd also try to forget about it.

sliding around only to fall through the floor was constantly hilarious


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DirtBasedSoap posted...

poison river

fuck that shit

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I got all 120 in 64 when 3D All Stars came out but it has its share of annoying ones. It's still a lot easier than doing it in Sunshine though. I don't see the point of doing that even once

As a kid, I liked Sunshine. I generally blamed myself for any gameplay issues I'd have.

As an adult, yeah, Sunshine really isn't great. There are a lot of issues, especially related to the controls/physics, that are more the fault of the developers than the player.

I'll piss off some people by also saying that Galaxy wasn't really that great either, but at least the issues I had with that game weren't usually controls issues, but rather its repetitiveness and little "wow" factor. It's hard to express. Maybe I just grew out of caring about 3D Mario.

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as someone who 100%d 64 and Galaxy multiple times, I fucking hate Sunshine. There are 5+ shines Ill never get because its so impossible

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faramir77 posted...

I'll piss off some people by also saying that Galaxy wasn't really that great either, but at least the issues I had with that game weren't usually controls issues, but rather its repetitiveness and little "wow" factor. It's hard to express. Maybe I just grew out of caring about 3D Mario.

It's been a while so I don't remember it a ton, but I kinda feel the opposite about it. It's almost too much wow factor, like they were constantly trying to introduce some big new concept or setpiece. 64 and Sunshine are much more repetitive, but in a way that's mostly a strength. I did enjoy Galaxy a lot but there are so many fleeting moments that they don't stand out the same way. It doesn't really help that Galaxy 2 is pretty indistinguishable from 1 in my mind other than I know 1 didn't have Yoshi.

I played it on that 3-in-1 cart and it sucks just as bad as I remember the last five minutes I gave it when it first came out. The graphics are awful (looks stretched top to bottom) and the controls are terrible. I really wanted to like it this time. I might finish it just to say I did, but its nothing like 64 or Odyssey.

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I haven't played it since I was a kid but I never got far in the game because I thought it was awful and hated the water gimmick. Played the fuck out of sm64 though

i cant really get into 64 tbh

i didnt have an n64 as a kid so the nostalgia factor just isnt there for me

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Yeah without the nostalgia I'm sure its unplayable. It actually wasn't that long ago I tried playing it again and even with the nostalgia I was like, "naw I'm good" after like 15 minutes

i'm playing galaxy for the first time right now and i'm loving it

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I love Sunshine. Really underrated game. The controls are just really spot on and I love the level and world design.

My only real issue with the game is the blue coins. There's just way too many of them and there's no way to track which ones you already got which is really annoying.

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ruh roh

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MrMelodramatic posted...

No wonder they didn't rerelease this game earlier <_< I'd also try to forget about it.

The game's characters, locations, music, and collectibles appear constantly throughout the series but sure, they were pretending it doesn't exist.

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GrabASnickers posted...

It's been a while so I don't remember it a ton, but I kinda feel the opposite about it. It's almost too much wow factor, like they were constantly trying to introduce some big new concept or setpiece.

They were, but I never felt that got tiresome. The paradigm for both games (smaller, self-contained levels with their own themes or gimmicks, generally tied together by the overall mechanic of accounting for unusual gravity) allowed a ton of room for creative, interesting level design, which was really showcased in that Galaxy 2 just did more of the same but still didn't run out of new ideas (technically Throwback Galaxy wasn't new, but I felt it was a beautifully executed piece of nostalgia). I actually would have liked to see a Galaxy 3 if they could have kept that up, but I recognize that that's a relatively unusual opinion.

OhhhJa posted...

Yeah without the nostalgia I'm sure its unplayable.

Honestly, camera issues aside, I don't actually find that 64 has aged as badly as people say it has. The level designs and platforming are still very solid by modern standards, the music's good, plenty of content with a solid range of difficulties, the graphics are easy to ignore because I know it's an N64 game (it's going to look bad. That's a given)... It's really mostly just that the camera has aged really poorly. It *works*, in that I never feel like it's impossible to manipulate it in a manner that allows me to do what needs doing, but it's completely unacceptable compared to even the standard set by Banjo Kazooie a year later, let alone modern analog camera controls. I don't think it's nostalgia making it playable so much as it is that people who played it before have had the necessary practice to be able to wrestle the camera into compliance without being turned off by how primitive it is.

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Veedrock- posted...

The game's characters, locations, music, and collectibles appear constantly throughout the series but sure, they were pretending it doesn't exist.

Featuring elements from the game is not the same as rereleasing it. I never said they were pretending it didn't exist, just that they were aware the game itself was poorly made

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I feel like the camera in Sunshine might honestly be worse. It easily gets stuck and doesn't go where you want it to, like if there's a wall in the way. I think that happened in 64 too but the levels were generally more open, so there weren't as many places for that to happen. I feel like the camera is better about automatically following you in 64 as well, which was probably more of an afterthought in Sunshine since it's free range.

Sunshine is a game that could and should have worked with more polish and playtests, rather than just cobbling together what they thought would work at bare minimum. Sunshine is a game that deserved better from its develops, even if a fair number of people might be into it. Instead, it's a mess that is loved by some and loathed by many others.

And that was before the lazy port of those three 3D games onto the Switch.

Thanks, Nintendo.

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MrMelodramatic posted...

Featuring elements from the game is not the same as rereleasing it. I never said they were pretending it didn't exist, just that they were aware the game itself was poorly made

It's also Galaxy's first re-release, do you draw the same conclusion for it?

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Veedrock- posted...

It's also Galaxy's first re-release, do you draw the same conclusion for it?

No. For one thing, Galaxy had a direct sequel. Both G1 and G2 were rereleased for the Wii U virtual console. G1 was also remapped and made available for android tablets in certain regions a few years ago.

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MrMelodramatic posted...

G1 and G2 were rereleased for the Wii U virtual console.

I forgot about this, I stand corrected

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okay, I got like 85 stars. I think Im done now. How many stars do you need to finish SM64? Im gonna finish that before I move onto Galaxy.

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I think it's either 60 or 70, it's a laughably small amount if you actually bother to check, but I usually have way more by the time I get to that point anyway.

Then again I don't think I've even touched 70 in Sunshine, I'm surprised you went as high as 85

Yeah it's 70 stars to beat 64. They are way quicker and, for the most part, less annoying than Sunshine's Shine Sprites so you can finish it in a day or 2.

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SilentSeph posted...

Yeah it's 70 stars to beat 64.

Seems like a missed opportunity there

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Seems like a missed opportunity there

I guess in non-SM3DAS versions of the game, you could get 64 stars and BLJ to the final Bowser battle

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