Current Events > Marvel movies are sadly misjudged as simple popcorn flicks

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Yes the plot is usually rather simple and their isn't a super deep meaning behind them but beyond that is what makes them genius

Everything from the acting to casting, to the extremely well thought and choreographed fight scenes, world building, character arcs, the manner characters play off each other, and just the way everything came together for the Avengers movie (well the 1st one and IW/Endgame, AoU was kinda filler)

I mean they translated a huge series of movies into a coherent and confident narrative, not every step was 100% but the way it ultimately played out really works I can't think of any other movie franchises that have pulled off such a huge list of films into a cohesive overarching story. DC is trying but they just can't pull off the same magic and it feels a lot more jumbled, not nearly as cohesive.

I'm not saying every Marvel movie was absolutely spectacular but the way they strung together a series of stories by utilizing the best aspects of comics and translating it to the big screen for a more broad audience is mind boggling. And again not saying everyone is faithful to their comics but the ones that weren't were re-imagined in very creative ways (well the Heroes and Thanos at least)

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sure, but it's not like they did that with original content

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they are popcorn flicks, and there's nothing wrong with that

Reis posted...

they are popcorn flicks, and there's nothing wrong with that

And Cinema 101 snob I disagree

Marvel Studio movies stand out from the vast majority of other comic books, unnecessary sequels that are cashing in on franchises names, remakes, other licensed film adaptations

Like try to think of a truly great action film in the 2010s that wasn't made by Marvel Studios it's hard

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A lot of modern Disney movies adhere to formulas and people recognize what's being checked off while watching.

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yeah man a quip every 2 mins is a sure sign of kino cinema

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GS4Life posted...

Like try to think of a truly great action film in the 2010s that wasn't made by Marvel Studios it's hard

John Wick
Mad Max Fury Road

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I really hate the term "popcorn flick."

A movie is either good or bad to you, there is no need justify it with stupid nonsense labels.

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one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a while

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billcom6 posted...

I really hate the term "popcorn flick."

A movie is either good or bad to you, there is no need justify it with stupid nonsense labels.

it's a descriptive term that has no bearing on whether or not a film is good or bad

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averagejoel posted...

it's a descriptive term that has no bearing on whether or not a film is good or bad

People use it to justify whether a movie is good or bad to them.
"I thought it was pretty good, for a popcorn flick."

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Terminator 2 and Indiana Jones are pure popcorn flicks and they're amazing. Who cares about the term? Pretty much everyone likes popcorn flicks. That's why they're popular.

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averagejoel posted...

John Wick
Mad Max Fury Road

Touche

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averagejoel posted...

John Wick
Mad Max Fury Road

Kingsman
The Raid 1&2
Edge of Tomorrow
The last few Mission Impossible movies
Skyfall
Upgrade
Dredd


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People like to ignore that 90% of the Marvel movies suck and that the only reason it was successful was because the media hyped the very first meeting of The Avengers on screen even though they were C-listers compared to the Justice League at the time. Phase 1 was ass and survived off produced hype over natural hype. It wasn't until the Black Panther and Dr. Strange phase that their was actual thought put into the movies. People will shit on the DCEU but ignore how bad Thor 1& 2, Iron Man 2 and 3, Captain America, and Hulk were. Ultron was torn apart by critics and fans. RDJ's charisma basically carried the MCU until it was at a decent point.

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Individually none of the movies are genius or anything. A few films do stand out as good though.

What makes/made the MCU special, was each movie setting up, over a decade, for the penultimate and ultimate entries in the MCUInfinity War, and Endgame.

Rather than cash in quickly, with each and every movie, they went with slow buildup, which eventually resulted in something that I am 100% positive we will never get, ever again, in filmmaking history.

They knew where they were going the entire time, and for them to set up like they did over the span of like 20 full length feature films is unprecedented to say the least.

So yeah...mostif not basically allfilmmakers and producers would never have the patience, or commitment to pull off what Marvel Studios did, and thats what makes the MCU films, as a whole, leagues better than 95% of what is being put out today.

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TheoryzC posted...

Kingsman
The Raid 1&2
Edge of Tomorrow
The last few Mission Impossible movies
Skyfall
Upgrade
Dredd

yeah I'm not a big action movie guy (unless you count martial arts movies in that) and I was just naming a couple standouts off the top of my head

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They took a niche thing like comic books, and created an amazing, intertwining masterpiece of over a dozen films that tied together that completely thrilled Marvel fans, who have been into the comics since they were kids like myself, and new fans who thought the Iron Man movie was cool and gave it a chance. What it turned out to be was fantastic, with a high level of consistent quality and gave people an overall thrilling experience. Nothing like this has happened before, that had phases with an epic conclusion, and to consider it anything other than special is ignorant. Even Star Wars fucked up as far as the movie timelines, which they intended from the get go starting with Episode 4.

What Marvel pulled off is hardly a "simple popcorn flick" experience, i'm sorry if I sound like i'm jerking them off, but show me another film series that created so many different movies focused on many different characters that tied together so well in the end and had an amazing conclusion like Infinity War and Endgame. DC continues to show how difficult this is with their muddled inconsistent garbage and one good movie out of every 4 or 5.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

They took a niche thing like comic books, and created an amazing, intertwining masterpiece of over a dozen films that tied together that completely thrilled Marvel fans, who have been into the comics since they were kids like myself, and new fans who thought the Iron Man movie was cool and gave it a chance. What it turned out to be was fantastic, with a high level of consistent quality and gave people an overall thrilling experience. Nothing like this has happened before, that had phases with an epic conclusion, and to consider it anything other than special is ignorant. Even Star Wars fucked up as far as the movie timelines, which they intended from the get go starting with Episode 4.

What Marvel pulled off is hardly a "simple popcorn flick" experience, i'm sorry if I sound like i'm jerking them off, but show me another film series that created so many different movies focused on many different characters that tied together so well in the end and had an amazing conclusion like Infinity War and Endgame. DC continues to show how difficult this is with their muddled inconsistent garbage and one good movie out of every 4 or 5.

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I should close this topic but eh I'm lazy

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MabusIncarnate posted...

with a high level of consistent quality

Lmao

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Infinity War is a damn masterpiece
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GS4Life posted...

I mean they translated a huge series of movies into a coherent and confident narrative, not every step was 100% but the way it ultimately played out really works I can't think of any other movie franchises that have pulled off such a huge list of films into a cohesive overarching story. DC is trying but they just can't pull off the same magic and it feels a lot more jumbled, not nearly as cohesive.

I disagree. This is one of the weaker parts of the MCU.

1. Many movies can just straight up be ignored as they do not play into the long term narrative.
2. Many of the ones that are most critical to the long term narrative are also some of the worst ones.
3. The best ones (IMO Spider Man Homecoming, Black Panther, Winter Soldier) have practically nothing to do with the main connecting story arc.

It's best to just call it what it is. These movies copied the format of their own comics into screenplays.


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@Zithers

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Guardians of the Galaxy is fucking amazing.

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They're kinda boring tbh.

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I've tried really hard to get into Marvel Movies but the majority of them put me to sleep honestly.

GotG and Infinity War are both really damn good tho.

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CM_Ponch posted...

Lmao

That's fine to have your own opinion, but the "bad" ones like Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World are on the same tier as Aquaman, which is basically hailed as the 3rd best DC movie. No MCU movie is unwatchable imo. That's a feat in itself.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

That's fine to have your own opinion, but the "bad" ones like Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World are on the same tier as Aquaman, which is basically hailed as the 3rd best DC movie. No MCU movie is unwatchable imo. That's a feat in itself.

A majority of Phase 1 was trashed upon release. The movies survived off post credit scenes. Avengers itself was mediocre at best carried by an undeserved hype and RDJ. No one cared or knew who Black Widow and Hawkeye were, Hulk had a movie most people didn't even know happened, Thor was panned by critics and fans, and Captain America was divided by people who liked it and people who thought it was boring. The MCU survived off manufactured hype.

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The only part of that I agree with was the lack of a Ruffalo hulk, and the rest is just muddled "it's popular and i'm on the internet so I hate it" trash opinion. I knew Black Widow and Hawkeye, who are minor characters, and had no films themselves as result, because I read the comics growing up and owned hundreds of them. It's not too hard to catch on to them with the backstory progression throughout the movies, but if you need to know more, the internet exists and search engines are a thing. I think the typical non-fan watching all the movies had a good idea of who both of them were by time the Avengers released without having to search through back story. I was a TMNT fan as a kid too and didn't need a Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady show to figure out who they were either.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

That's fine to have your own opinion, but the "bad" ones like Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World are on the same tier as Aquaman, which is basically hailed as the 3rd best DC movie. No MCU movie is unwatchable imo. That's a feat in itself.

Iron Man 3 is great and Aquaman is one of the best modern superhero movies

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MabusIncarnate posted...

and the rest is just muddled "it's popular and i'm on the internet so I hate it" trash opinion.

The Avengers were straight up not popular during Phase 1. Iron Man was a C-lister in comics when the first movie dropped. It was a manufactured hype.

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CM_Ponch posted...

The Avengers were straight up not popular during Phase 1. Iron Man was a C-lister in comics when the first movie dropped. It was a manufactured hype.

I agree with this entirely, comic fandom in general was at a low when the MCU started. Iron Man compared to Batman isn't even in the same conversation. The first movie was much better than it had any business being, the charisma and attitude that RDJ brought pulled in popularity. In context, starting the MCU with Iron Man was crazy, but it worked. Somehow. Batman is the face of DC, if not Superman. idk who i'd pick for Marvel, Wolverine maybe, but it sure isn't Iron Man.

Garioshi posted...

Iron Man 3 is great and Aquaman is one of the best modern superhero movies

Respectfully, I thought both kinda sucked. I've now watched Aquaman 3 times trying to understand the praise and I just can't get there.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

That's fine to have your own opinion, but the "bad" ones like Iron Man 3 and Thor Dark World are on the same tier as Aquaman, which is basically hailed as the 3rd best DC movie. No MCU movie is unwatchable imo. That's a feat in itself.

Iron Man 3 is pretty much unwatchable.

As far as DC movies go I still feel like Shazam is potentially the best superhero movie.

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They are popcorn flicks. Why you want them to be anything more is beyond me.
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bad movies

anti-art for people who collect funko pops or are easily swayed by marketing

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Iron Man 3 is pretty much unwatchable.

As far as DC movies go I still feel like Shazam is potentially the best superhero movie.

I keep forgetting about Shazam and it's stupid because I loved it and it's a top 3 besides The Dark Knight and Wonder Woman for me. I thought Shazam was gonna be awful and it turned out so damn great.

I wouldn't call Iron Man 3 unwatchable, but it was my least favorite of all the MCU movies.

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sabin017 posted...

A lot of modern Disney movies adhere to formulas and people recognize what's being checked off while watching.

Those are people that don't know how to just sit and enjoy something.

Like if I don't enjoy something I'm not going to sit around and criticize it based off of some arbitrary list or preconceived notions of what I believe it should contain to be considered good. Thats a very narrow minded way of thinking. If you decide what you like before giving something a chance there is a good probability you won't allow yourself to like something of it doesn't already fit a mold.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

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I think they've come a long way, but if the DCEU had launched with movies on the quality level of Hulk, Thor, and Captain America it would not have survived beyond phase 1. After Ultron and Civil War the MCU was being trashed, Thanos and Spider-Man showing up is what kept them alive. The most recent phase was a huge step up, but for a majority of its existence the MCU was no better than the yearly Transformers movie.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I keep forgetting about Shazam and it's stupid because I loved it and it's a top 3 besides The Dark Knight and Wonder Woman for me. I thought Shazam was gonna be awful and it turned out so damn great.

I wouldn't call Iron Man 3 unwatchable, but it was my least favorite of all the MCU movies.

I think Iron Man 3 is really bad. Coming from someone who thinks Iron Man 2 was above average I hate just about everything in Iron Man 3 and it's solidly in my second lowest tier of superhero movies. The lowest tier being hot trash like X-Men 3 and Catwoman.

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CM_Ponch posted...

I think they've come a long way, but if the DCEU had launched with movies on the quality level of Hulk, Thor, and Captain America it would not have survived beyond phase 1. After Ultron and Civil War the MCU was being trashed, Thanos and Spider-Man showing up is what kept them alive. The most recent phase was a huge step up, but for a majority of its existence the MCU was no better than the yearly Transformers movie.

I thought Civil War was widely loved and praised, wasn't it? I know Ultron is looked down on, which I personally don't agree with, but Civil War was great, I thought it was very well received when it released. Maybe i'm wrong.

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Iron Man was a game changer thanks to RDJ's charisma

Thor and Captain America were movies people insistent were going to flop and too goofy to translate into movies.

Avengers 1 yeah the plot was basic af but the way the team came together and the end action scene was perfection

Guardians was another thing people thought was too obscure and destined to fail, yet they became just as popular as the other heroes because it took a ridiculous concept and ran with while making each of the Guardians unique and endearing. They made everyone love a Tree that can only say one line.

Winter Solider and Civil War ramped up the stakes and drama, gave you a whole new take on what a Boy Scout really can embody in such a corrupt world.

Infinity War was probably their best movie period, Thanos was arguably more interesting than his Comic counterpart.

Endgame had some flaws but overall delivered an extremely satisfying conclusion. I'm glaring at you angrily Rise Of Skywalker


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I know it's impressive that they have made a whole lot of linked movies but honestly what other franchises really need or want to do this? It's pretty unique to superhero stuff to begin with.

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Darmik posted...

I know it's impressive that they have made a whole lot of linked movies but honestly what other franchises really need or want to do this? It's pretty unique to superhero stuff to begin with.

Franchises have done similar things. Star Trek carried over it's story from series on TV to movies across large time gaps and massive cast overhauls with concurrent shows / movies and character crossover between all of them.

Now there's not as many Star Trek movies as MCU but there's a lot more TV show and unlike the MCU the tv shows are more than just lip service canon.

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I really can't stress enough how amazing Guardians of the Galaxy turned out to be. A bunch of characters no one has ever heard of, going into a movie doomed to flop, that introduced the biggest balance of plot, humor, action, and great characters that came together into a final "We're the Guardians of the Galaxy bitch" that cemented their place in the MCU and became an instant fan favorite. The casting was brilliant, even Bautista being pulled out of pro wrestling and thrown into an acting role turned out to be gold. His full belly laughter is so damn wholesome.

Again, I don't care if i'm being a douchey fanboy here. My uncle owned a comic book store when I was 8 that burned down. What he salvaged, he gave it all to me, which amounted to over 800 comic books, and I read them all. It's why i'm a tremendous fan, Marvel, DC, Darkhorse, everything. What the MCU did brought out the kid in me and I flat out loved it. Honorable mention to Netflix also with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, etc. I have a complete bias, but i'm just overblown over the past 10 years and how much attention comic books have received and been translated into film.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

I have a complete bias, but i'm just overblown over the past 10 years and how much attention comic books have received and been translated into film.

are you really so excited about the comics getting translated at all that you can overlook how terrible the translation is?

like, look at these panels of spiderman lifting himself out of the rubble:




and compare to this scene from Homecoming where he does the same thing:


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this is a scene in a massive budget, fast-paced sci-fi movie that's supposed to be showcasing a time machine. it looks like raw documentary footage



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@averagejoel I'm not sure what your point with either of your posts is.

Neither scene looks bad in action.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

Again, I don't care if i'm being a douchey fanboy here

Honestly, I respect that your passionate about the MCU, I only wish the DCU wasn't trapped under Snyder and was given the same opportunity

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

@averagejoel I'm not sure what your point with either of your posts is.

Neither scene looks bad in action.

basically the entire mcu looks terrible in action lol. Endgame is especially bad though. it's all cgi, and it's extremely obvious that it's all cgi.

like look at that shot with the Hulk. the colours are all muffled. the hulk is barely even green. in looks like they shot in RAW and forgot to colour correct

there's almost none of the look and feel of the comics they're supposed to be adapting.

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