Current Events > I feel like a lot of you guys don't believe in forgiveness

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That a person can change for the better. Is it just me?

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I forgive you, Veggeta X

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I'll never forgive you because you can never forgive Xenogears.

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Simp posted...

I forgive you, Veggeta X

Thanks

Strider102 posted...

I'll never forgive you because you can never forgive Xenogears.

I'll forgive it if they remake the game and fully redeem themselves from that disaster we call the 2nd disc.

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tote_all posted...

Definitely not just you. People here would rather apply violent punishment to those that they disagree with or have done something they deem "unforgivable" rather than rehabilitate, ironically even when they talk about rehabilitation in the justice system.

I feel like having this kind of malice don't make you that much better than the opposition.

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Many people today are vindictive and don't want or care to see people change for the better. They would rather complain and judge people for their wrong doings than see then recover from their problems and be helpful members of society.

Murder and rape are obviously irredeemable acts of terror and no one affected should be expected to forgive the perpetrators of such violence, but for anyone stealing something, being racist, saying something wrong, etc we should surely want to help these people see the error of their ways and guide them into a better place.

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Vindictive, that's the word I was looking for. Such a toxic trait.

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I sure don't. Most people never change. I am talking about serious things like abuse of others.

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tote_all posted...

Definitely not just you. People here would rather apply violent punishment to those that they disagree with or have done something they deem "unforgivable" rather than rehabilitate, ironically even when they talk about rehabilitation in the justice system.

Rehabilitation in the justice system is a myth.

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I don't know if people have always been this way, or if social media is contributing to it. But yes. I grew up being taught about the virtues of forgiveness, but now forgiveness is seen as a bad thing.

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tote_all posted...

This, but also they want to see them punished. It's truly fucked up.

Yeah. I guess that's how a lot of humanity is. Public executions used to be popular, and now you can tell which people would still enjoy them if they happened today.

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Veggeta X posted...

Thanks

I'll forgive it if they remake the game and fully redeem themselves from that disaster we call the 2nd disc.

Miang is actually terryfying

Frizzurd posted...

I sure don't. Most people never change. I am talking about serious things like abuse of others.

We're talking about the people who can change for the better. Do you absolutely not believe in that?

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Veggeta X posted...

We're talking about the people who can change for the better. Do you absolutely not believe in that?

Grew up with both a dad, stepdad, and grandfather who never changed. I'm not a Christian either.

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I'm more the type to be like "What are you talking about" when they bring up old shit they're sorry for. Ain't nobody got time to be petty and unforgiving.

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I expect action to make amends, not words.

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Depends on the offense.
i swear people here have zero concept of nuance. Or got some serious navet going on. Or god forbid, both.

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I believe Jesus said it best, "If one should strike you then hit him in the other cheek."
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Veggeta X posted...

That a person can change for the better. Is it just me?

I do. It's hard to forgive sometimes, but it's for the best.

This is a good a topic as any to discuss forgiveness.

I think the person being forgiven has just as much responsibility as the person doing the forgiving. Forgiveness is a good thing, but a forgiven person who just continues to do bad things (especially if it is the exact thing that was forgiven) ruins any benefit the forgiveness had and doesn't even deserve to be forgiven.

That doesn't mean people should seek to find reasons not to have to forgive others either. Forgiveness is a tool to lessen hatred and make everyone better people.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I don't know if people have always been this way, or if social media is contributing to it. But yes. I grew up being taught about the virtues of forgiveness, but now forgiveness is seen as a bad thing.

It's social media causing the vindictive and sometimes bloodthirsty behavior, I seen a photo of some Antifa sign that said "We don't want Biden, we want revenge" literal disrespect of America and bloodthirstiness on display.
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Hop103 posted...

It's social media causing the vindictive and sometimes bloodthirsty behavior, I seen a photo of some Antifa sign that said "We don't want Biden, we want revenge" literal disrespect of America and bloodthirstiness on display.

IMO, things like this is taking steps backwards. I dislike Trump, his cabinets of idiots and his followers a fuck ton too but if I can convert and change anyone of them then I would much rather do that. The ones that won't change can live in their bubble and think they're happy.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

That doesn't mean people should seek to find reasons not to have to forgive others either. Forgiveness is a tool to lessen hatred and make everyone better people.

This pretty much but a lot of people here don't believe in that. While it's true that it's super hard for anyone to change, you shouldn't absolutely close your mind that someone can change for the better.

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Have you been burn too many times that you can't see that some people aren't worth forgiving anymore?

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You can only forgive people so much and somethings are unforgiveable. Some people are out of control and will go on hurting others, so they don't need forgiveness, but instead need tough love, even if it's the last lesson they learn in some cases.

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A person can be forgiven when the fallout of their actions subsides.

Until then they can expect nothing.
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I'm willing to forgive, but I need to see proof of having changed before I will.

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Graycap posted...

A person can be forgiven when the fallout of their actions subsides.

Until then they can expect nothing.

That's all I'm saying

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It all depends on what they did, for minor crimes yes people need to forgive but things like rape and horrible murder( NOT self defense or in defense of someone else) are a just put them to the sword.

One size does not fit all so each crime needs to be judged on a case by case basis but not everyone should be forgiven if they did something horrible.

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Do some of yall know the story of Stanley Tookie Williams? He was a crip leader and murdered people. While in prison, he turned a new leaf and became a much better person. He appealed many times to not be executed but in the end his appeals were all denied. Do you think he redeemed himself or naw?

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You got this stuck in my head

https://youtu.be/IRjvq6DC7BU

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Veggeta X posted...

Do some of yall know the story of Stanley Tookie Williams? He was a crip leader and murdered people. While in prison, he turned a new leaf and became a much better person. He appealed many times to not be executed but in the end his appeals were all denied. Do you think he redeemed himself or naw?

Nope, and from the sound of things I don't really care because he was a murdering scumbag gangbanger and did somethings that are unforgiveable. Too bad he was dumb and only learned his lesson after he threw his life away, was behind bars and on borrowed time.

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Most people just want to feel superior to other people.

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YourDrunkFather posted...

Most people just want to feel superior to other people.

While there is truth to this at the same time witholding forgiveness can sometime have nothing to do with a superiority complex. Somethings just can't be forgiven.

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People shouldn't be forgiven if they don't change. You've been known to forgive people that were still actively being terrible people

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Number090684 posted...

Nope, and from the sound of things I don't really care because he was a murdering scumbag gangbanger and did somethings that are unforgiveable. Too bad he was dumb and only learned his lesson after he threw his life away, was behind bars and on borrowed time.

Maybe if you saw his movie starring Jamie Foxx you'd change your mind?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxbBhTq8nNQ

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@Veggeta_X
The fact he only turned over a new leaf in prison after killing people is exactly why most people do not care. He could have turned over a new leaf BEFORE he killed anyone.

Instead of being a scum bag gangbanger he could have discovered jesus or found enlightenment before making the choices he did that ended lives.

People have a choice to be an upright person or turn to crime, and even if they turn to crime they again have the choice to be violent, take life, or be a non violent criminal.

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