Poll of the Day > Ellen Page identifies as transgender now.

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Krazy_Kirby
12/02/20 8:16:19 AM
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Zeus posted...
If the prevailing logic is that gender is on a spectrum



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grimhilde00
12/02/20 11:02:05 AM
#53:


VioletMassacre posted...
It's hard to imagine a world where you always have to clarify what other persons identify as, and not being sure if you're going ot say "she" or "he". Calling someone "they/them" is really fucking weird since (I hope) you're not several people.
It's really not that weird.

English language already has "you" pronoun cover both singular and plural.

Other languages have similarly behaving pronouns (German "sie" can mean both "she" singular or "they" plural).

It's not a new concept. And people I've noticed use "they" every now and then in conversation even with people who are cisgender just cause it can flow very naturally.

You're just making a fuss over nothing.

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Mead
12/02/20 11:05:40 AM
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Most of the time you can just call people their name.

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shadowsword87
12/02/20 11:08:24 AM
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grimhilde00 posted...
English language already has "you" pronoun cover both singular and plural.

Eh, that one I disagree with, we can use "y'all" for a plural, but talking about how "you like dancing" for a group of people doesn't work in comparison to "y'all like dancing" works totally fine for a group.

"They" works just fine and I've been using it for years now for plural and singular.
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grimhilde00
12/02/20 11:10:03 AM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Eh, that one I disagree with, we can use "y'all" for a plural, but talking about how "you like dancing" for a group of people doesn't work in comparison to "y'all like dancing" works totally fine for a group.

"They" works just fine and I've been using it for years now for plural and singular.
Y'all isn't official and I doubt it's used in England.

But yes, languages adapt. See: how we're using "they" now.

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shadowsword87
12/02/20 11:11:30 AM
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Language isn't defined by what's written in a dictionary, it's describing how people use it, if enough people use the word, it's an official word.

EDIT: Same way I make fun of my british friends by calling them Bri'ish, becuase of how it's pronounced there.
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Mead
12/02/20 11:12:34 AM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Language isn't defined by what's written in a dictionary, it's describing how people use it, if enough people use the word, it's an official word.

A perfectly cromulent explanation.

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grimhilde00
12/02/20 11:24:18 AM
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My point was there are parts of the world where "you" is used for groups still. I didn't mean to disagree about languages changing.

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shadowsword87
12/02/20 1:31:15 PM
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Nah I get it, I just don't know any time when anyone uses them, if you have examples that would be nice.
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man101
12/02/20 1:38:56 PM
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grimhilde00 posted...
They've been presenting as pretty androgynous for awhile. You can be cis and androgynous, that doesn't necessarily mean you're trans or non-binary

I'm pretty liberal on most things and I have a couple trans friends but for whatever reason reading a sentence like that immediately triggers my old-man-porch-rocking-chair-crazy-kids-these-days reflex. If this isn't just a phase of the early 21st century I imagine I'm gonna be grumbling a lot when I get old when I have to listen to kids talk.

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blu
12/02/20 1:38:59 PM
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So is Ellen now getting a sex change to become a guy?

Or were they originally a guy and became female at some point?

Its cool either way.
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grimhilde00
12/02/20 2:05:33 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Nah I get it, I just don't know any time when anyone uses them, if you have examples that would be nice.

Stuffy preacher saying something to a congregation like, "You may rise" or "You may sit"?

Like more formal settings where y'all isn't used as much

Speaking to a group, "you ready for this?"/"y'all ready for this?" Both work, and y'all isn't used in every region

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shadowsword87
12/02/20 2:15:15 PM
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Ah, yeah that's totally fair.
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Entity13
12/02/20 2:19:26 PM
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blu posted...
So is Ellen now getting a sex change to become a guy?

Or were they originally a guy and became female at some point?

Its cool either way.

From Ellen to Elliot.

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Cruddy_horse
12/02/20 3:51:09 PM
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I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?
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Mead
12/02/20 3:59:15 PM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?

yeah that sounds like a very real and true story

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Cruddy_horse
12/02/20 4:05:43 PM
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Mead posted...
yeah that sounds like a very real and true story

Why would I make this shit up.
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Mead
12/02/20 4:17:04 PM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
Why would I make this shit up.

just how you get your jollies I guess

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Nichtcrawler X
12/02/20 4:20:22 PM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?

Something I will never understand.

Of all the things I got from my parents that make me me, my name is basically the only thing that was fully their choice.

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Mead
12/02/20 4:40:32 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Something I will never understand.

Of all the things I got from my parents that make me me, my name is basically the only thing that was fully their choice.

I dont know how to tell you this bud but it turns out people have been able to change their name since literally the earliest history of names

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wwinterj25
12/02/20 4:56:25 PM
#72:


Cruddy_horse posted...
I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?
People throw around words so much these days that they have lost there meaning.

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man101
12/02/20 5:13:06 PM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?
That is actually kind of how it works now unfortunately. The news covers the announcement using the new name and then within like 12 hours everyone on earth is expected to know and use the new name and pronouns an we're all supposed to just pretend it was never any different and the fact that someone existed under a different name and a different perceived sex is supposed to be not mentioned because trans people are considered to have always been the way they are and they were just not 'out'.

Like I'm cool with people being trans but honestly it's exhausting how intolerant and aggressive some people are on not following the arbitrary and constantly evolving protocol around the issue. Of the two trans people I know one is super chill about it and doesn't care but the other will literally flip his shit if you get any details wrong or accidentally deadname. Like, jesus christ, I knew you for seven years by a different name and your face didn't change so sorry if I accidentally slip ffs.

/grouchy old man ramble

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EvilMegas
12/02/20 5:37:17 PM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?
Theres no way this is a real post.

When did you ask this and to who? I posted this story an hour after it broke.

Also: who would just casually mention Elliott page without giving a context?

Also, also: why didn't you just look it up, if you were that curious?

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Krazy_Kirby
12/02/20 5:42:50 PM
#75:


Nichtcrawler X posted...


Something I will never understand.

Of all the things I got from my parents that make me me, my name is basically the only thing that was fully their choice.


most likely it was fully one parents choice, not both
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MabinogiFan
12/02/20 5:54:53 PM
#76:


EvilMegas posted...
Theres no way this is a real post.

When did you ask this and to who? I posted this story an hour after it broke.

Also: who would just casually mention Elliott page without giving a context?

Also, also: why didn't you just look it up, if you were that curious?

Well, I know people on Twitter were butthurt that news outlets were 'deadnaming' Elliot by mentioning his previous name. It's like, chill out. The news just broke, and some people may be confused about what's happening.

But it's Twitter, so I need to expect nothing.

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Mead
12/02/20 5:56:50 PM
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MabinogiFan posted...
Well, I know people on Twitter were butthurt that news outlets were 'deadnaming' Elliot by mentioning his previous name. It's like, chill out. The news just broke, and some people may be confused about what's happening.

But it's Twitter, so I need to expect nothing.

People on Twitter

ok so a bunch of bots pretending to be outraged about everything, gotcha

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EvilMegas
12/02/20 5:58:33 PM
#78:


MabinogiFan posted...
Well, I know people on Twitter were butthurt that news outlets were 'deadnaming' Elliot by mentioning his previous name. It's like, chill out. The news just broke, and some people may be confused about what's happening.

But it's Twitter, so I need to expect nothing.
That's one thing, the other poster is clearly lying if the name elliot page is trending or a bunch of people are talking about it IRL you can google and find the answer 9/10 times.
If they wanted to know the answer, they could have found out. Easily.

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Cruddy_horse
12/02/20 6:20:34 PM
#79:


EvilMegas posted...
Theres no way this is a real post.

When did you ask this and to who? I posted this story an hour after it broke.

Also: who would just casually mention Elliott page without giving a context?

Also, also: why didn't you just look it up, if you were that curious?

https://www.instagram.com/bisexual_bitches/ one of these recent posts as an example.

I didn't look it up because I wasn't that curious and I don't care for celebs in general, I was just getting alot of stuff about on Instagram.
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keyblader1985
12/02/20 6:33:16 PM
#80:


Cruddy_horse posted...
I was wondering who this Elliot Page person was, nobody would tell anyone what their old name was cause apparently even just mentioning their Deadname is transphobic?
*coughbullshitcough*

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EvilMegas
12/02/20 6:41:24 PM
#81:


Cruddy_horse posted...
https://www.instagram.com/bisexual_bitches/ one of these recent posts as an example.

I didn't look it up because I wasn't that curious and I don't care for celebs in general, I was just getting alot of stuff about on Instagram

That's nothing. You said you asked who elliot page was, for some reason and people stone walled you.

You were curious enough to type a question about it but not curious enough get a direct answer on google faster? Wut?

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Krazy_Kirby
12/02/20 6:42:41 PM
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if they didn't legally change their name, it's still ellen.
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EvilMegas
12/02/20 6:42:55 PM
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Stop lying. It's weird. Like I honestly don't get why you're making this up.

This is the type of shit kids do when they want attention.

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MabinogiFan
12/02/20 6:43:04 PM
#84:


EvilMegas posted...
That's nothing. You said you asked who elliot page was, for some reason and people stone walled you.

You were curious enough to type a question about it but not curious enough get a direct answer on google faster? Wut?
I'd believe it. I don't really like Googling things for whatever reason.
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EvilMegas
12/02/20 6:45:35 PM
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Then it's your fault and deserve to be stonewalled. There is no reason for your ignorance other than you being lazy.

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wwinterj25
12/02/20 6:46:47 PM
#86:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
if they didn't legally change their name, it's still ellen.
I guess he will do that.

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OmegaM
12/02/20 9:53:17 PM
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I wonder if I saw him naked if I (a hetero cis guy) would still find him attractive, assuming he hasn't had any hormones or surgery.
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Krazy_Kirby
12/02/20 9:56:25 PM
#88:


OmegaM posted...
I wonder if I saw him naked if I (a hetero cis guy) would still find him attractive, assuming he hasn't had any hormones or surgery.


did you watch the umbrella academy? it's unlikely you would.
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grimhilde00
12/02/20 9:58:37 PM
#89:


OmegaM posted...
I wonder if I saw him naked if I (a hetero cis guy) would still find him attractive, assuming he hasn't had any hormones or surgery.
No one cares about what makes you horny in an unrelated topic

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Blightzkrieg
12/02/20 9:59:17 PM
#90:


OmegaM posted...
if I (a hetero cis guy)
Lol not any more buddy

The gays have gayed you

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zebatov
12/02/20 10:50:54 PM
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Good to know.

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