Current Events > Report on War Crimes committed by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan released

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TreyFlowers
11/18/20 9:36:09 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/12896234

Fucking disgusting and I hope every single person involved who is proven to have committed these crimes are sentenced to jail.

Some lowlights:

- prisoners were shot and killed by junior officers at the command of senior officers in a process known as "blooding" to get their first kill
- two 14 year old boys were stopped by the SAS, had their throats slit because it was decided they were Taliban sympathisers
- at least 39 prisoners and civilians murdered

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Darmik
11/18/20 9:37:08 PM
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Scott Morrison is just gonna raid whoever leaked this.

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ToPoPO
11/18/20 9:39:07 PM
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@ModLogic

What the FUCK is wrong with your country?!
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TreyFlowers
11/18/20 9:39:26 PM
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Darmik posted...
Scott Morrison is just gonna raid whoever leaked this.

He released it himself. The question is what will happen to the ABC journalist the government raided two years ago who were preparing this story..

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monkmith
11/18/20 9:41:03 PM
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good to know its not just america doing this.

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LightningAce11
11/18/20 9:41:35 PM
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All military reports need to be made public. People need to know what soldiers are doing. Definitely not "protecting the nation".
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Funkydog
11/18/20 9:43:06 PM
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This is absolutely disgusting and everyone involved needs serious jail time. The sad thing is this without doubt 100% goes on in every other military (And are far too many accounts of it as is, without those we don't know about)

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TreyFlowers
11/18/20 9:45:50 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
All military reports need to be made public. People need to know what soldiers are doing. Definitely not "protecting the nation".

Absolutely. Shouldn't be a need to hide the majority of military reports after the events occur.

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ScazarMeltex
11/18/20 9:51:14 PM
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Is the Australian military any better at punishing their war criminals than the US?

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Balnazarr
11/18/20 10:10:03 PM
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IIrc Trump Supporters love this. I got perma banned from a reddit Trump Subreddit for attacking someone defending war crimes as a "necessary evil".
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ModLogic
11/18/20 10:13:02 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Is the Australian military any better at punishing their war criminals than the US?
nope, we take after US in commiting war crimes, we also take after US in denying and hiding war crimes.

in this case it sounds like they already found some kow level officers to pin blame on so the higher ups can claim innocence.

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TreyFlowers
11/19/20 1:13:44 AM
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bump

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SomeLikeItHoth
11/19/20 1:17:19 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
All military reports need to be made public.
Terrible idea. Other counties would find out and enact revenge.

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apolloooo
11/19/20 1:24:41 AM
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Humans are disgusting, pathetic excuse of "intelligent" species.

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LightningAce11
11/19/20 4:11:38 PM
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Watching the report on news, the general is saying sappy stuff about how the soldiers are "struggling to reflect" etc. Yeah I'm sure murdering people does that.

Did none of the juniors have a moment of clarity and decency where they decided "Hey, maybe it's wrong to kill innocent people, I'm not going to do it?"
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Chicken
11/19/20 4:13:45 PM
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And they wonder why the people fight against the militaries over there.

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TreyFlowers
11/19/20 6:35:41 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Watching the report on news, the general is saying sappy stuff about how the soldiers are "struggling to reflect" etc. Yeah I'm sure murdering people does that.

Did none of the juniors have a moment of clarity and decency where they decided "Hey, maybe it's wrong to kill innocent people, I'm not going to do it?"

I have no sympathy for soldiers who murder innocent civilians like this in cold blood. They should be locked up.

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TreyFlowers
11/19/20 6:36:08 PM
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Chicken posted...
And they wonder why the people fight against the militaries over there.

Exactly. It's any wonder more people don't get radicalised when this shit has run rampant in the middle east for almost 2 decades

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Zikten
11/19/20 6:48:52 PM
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The murdered 14 year olds is the worst one to me. That sounds horrific
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Dathrowed1
11/22/20 5:22:50 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Watching the report on news, the general is saying sappy stuff about how the soldiers are "struggling to reflect" etc. Yeah I'm sure murdering people does that.

Did none of the juniors have a moment of clarity and decency where they decided "Hey, maybe it's wrong to kill innocent people, I'm not going to do it?"
I believe stuff like this is harder than many think. Probably because it takes an opposite of what is expected. I think I have only read a few cases where they had a moment of clarity but that was because they were moved by the prisoner's actions

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StarSpangled
11/23/20 10:38:15 PM
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The inquiry also found evidence some Australian troops in Afghanistan carried "throwdowns" such as weapons, radios and grenades not issued by the ADF which would be planted next to the bodies of Afghan civilians to suggest they were a "legitimate target" in any post-incident investigations.

Guess the US arent alone in these kinds of tactics.

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TreyFlowers
11/23/20 10:54:13 PM
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That's malicious intent and cold blooded murder. Psychos.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/23/20 10:54:33 PM
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SomeLikeItHoth posted...
Terrible idea. Other counties would find out and enact revenge.
That's exactly why it's a good idea, actually. That would create a deterrent effect.

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Aki_Sora
11/26/20 6:14:51 AM
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Disgusting
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MrMallard
11/26/20 6:49:46 AM
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PtlessAgmnts posted...
@MrMallard and @Rika_Furude are better people to ask.
Honestly? I don't know where the issue stems from. The article mentions a "warrior culture", which would do it.

The military did have a scandal about 6 years ago where soldiers shared racist memes and posted photos and videos of women having sex with them. It was called the "Jedi council", and nearly 200 military members were reprimanded over it:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/jedi-council-sex-ring-171-australian-defence-force-staff-disciplined

Honestly, I think this is the standard we've set as a whole. Any Western country that took part in Afghanistan or Iraq post-9/11 has committed countless atrocities that will never go before a judge. Standards and international laws are being subverted because it's "us vs them" - they're the terrorists, who cares what happens to them? Something like that.

I'm not at all qualified to comment on this, these are just my random thoughts. I don't think the entitlement and toxic culture that led to these war crimes is exclusive to Australia though, I think it's a more widespread issue with American and Australian soldiers at the very least. But that's conjecture.

I have a friend of mine who served in Afghanistan post-9/11, I've been meaning to call her up and see how she's going. I also play poker with a friend of mine who's in the Air Force, he does flight control somewhere in Victoria and he went through all the military training and stuff. They're more knowledgeable about the military than I am, so they would be able to shine a light on this better than I would.

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SpiritSephiroth
11/26/20 7:42:13 AM
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And people fucking wonder why there are extremists over there. Hell, in their eyes, they are freedom fighters against western terrorism who infiltrate their countries.

In the end, the west is no better than the "terrorists" they fight against in the middle east. It's a cycle of war.

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DocDelicious
11/26/20 7:50:50 AM
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We made them into killers and then are surprised when they kill people...what?

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StormFury
11/26/20 7:52:05 AM
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Wait I thought SAS is British?
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DocDelicious
11/26/20 7:53:21 AM
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StormFury posted...
Wait I thought SAS is British?

The Special Air Service Regiment, officially abbreviated SASR though commonly known as the SAS, is a special forces unit of the Australian Army. Formed in 1957, it was modelled on the British SAS sharing the motto, "Who Dares Wins".

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FursonaNonGrata
11/26/20 8:11:04 AM
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Turns out capitalist imperialism turns everyone who participates in it into unredeemable pieces of shit.

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MrMallard
11/28/20 1:16:47 AM
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Good news, I'm hanging out with my air traffic control poker buddy tonight. I'll see what his take on this is.

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pinky0926
11/30/20 5:48:15 AM
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Jesus christ

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TreyFlowers
11/30/20 3:57:56 PM
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Ether'd by China

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1333214766806888448?s=19

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Funkydog
11/30/20 5:16:41 PM
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I'm not sure a brutal dictatorship can ether anyone.


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ModLogic
11/30/20 5:41:41 PM
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Delirious_Beard
11/30/20 5:46:40 PM
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christ this is terrifying

TreyFlowers posted...
Ether'd by China

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1333214766806888448?s=19

yes thank goodness China isn't responsible for any noteworthy human rights violations of late

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sktgamer_13dude
11/30/20 5:53:08 PM
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TreyFlowers posted...
Ether'd by China

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1333214766806888448?s=19

China has zero room to talk.

Itd be like if the US was shocked and appalled by this. We have no room to talk either.
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Funkydog
12/01/20 11:44:55 AM
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SerperiorThanU posted...
I'm legit surprised by this. I thought China and Australia had decent relations (relative to other developed countries).
Hardly. They've had a shit relationship for a long time, despite being big trading partners (afaik)

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mattfrank
12/01/20 12:34:11 PM
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SerperiorThanU posted...
I'm legit surprised by this. I thought China and Australia had decent relations (relative to other developed countries).

They had good relationship until Scomo got elected and wanted to allign with Trump.

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TreyFlowers
12/01/20 2:50:42 PM
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mattfrank posted...
They had good relationship until Scomo got elected and wanted to allign with Trump.

Basically. We need Mandarin speaking KRudd to come back and save that relationship. We'd be fucked without China as a trading partner

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Shablagoo
12/01/20 3:01:35 PM
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TreyFlowers posted...
Ether'd by China

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1333214766806888448?s=19

Did you see the response painting the artist did after a bunch of Australian politicians cried about this?

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TreyFlowers
12/01/20 3:53:56 PM
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Shablagoo posted...
Did you see the response painting the artist did after a bunch of Australian politicians cried about this?

No haha, link?

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Shablagoo
12/01/20 4:05:20 PM
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TreyFlowers posted...
No haha, link?

In case its moddable, its a picture of the painter with a swarm of reporters around him photographing him and people pointing at the painter while in the background Australian troops murder with wanton abandon with zero cameras aimed at them.

(It should be relatively easy to Google...I dont think its against the TOS, but I get modded for really weird stuff sometimes.)

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TreyFlowers
12/01/20 4:12:08 PM
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Hah, nice.

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