Current Events > Paper Mario: Sticker Star is better than Super Paper Mario

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

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Shit taste tag is accurate

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im never gonna ever play sticker star but i find this really easy to believe since Super Paper Mario is a shit game with some good writing. but when i say shit game i mean like, no redeeming gameplay at any point shit game

It's tough.

Super Paper Mario has extremely bad pacing issues, but Sticker Star is literally just a worse version of Paper Mario 64 in every single way, with a battle system that doesn't incentivize actually doing battles.
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Thank god for Bug Fables is all I can say

Nope.

SPM may be short and too easy, but it had the soul of a Paper Mario game and one of the darkest stories in a Mario game.

Sticker Star is just a travesty all around.

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Neckhomachus posted...

im never gonna ever play sticker star but i find this really easy to believe since Super Paper Mario is a shit game with some good writing. but when i say shit game i mean like, no redeeming gameplay at any point shit game

This is the main thing. SPM's gameplay is trite and vapid with nothing interesting going on at any point. It loves to waste your time with an honestly offensive amount of backtracking and repetition and no less than 4 mazes. You can heap praise on the story all you want, but it falls apart when Bleck doesn't immediately stop once he finds out Tippi is alive.

Sticker Star, on the other hand, is a rather frictionless experience, although admittedly only if you know what to do. It's a "romp" game, for lack of a better word, similar to Super Mario 3D Land and New Super Mario Bros. 2. I can just turn my brain off and play the game. Obviously it's nothing so sophisticated as TTYD, but it's not actively unfun to play like SPM.

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they all seem bad after ttyd

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You're insane

Sticker shart is Terribad

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BakonBitz posted...

It's tough.

Super Paper Mario has extremely bad pacing issues, but Sticker Star is literally just a worse version of Paper Mario 64 in every single way, with a battle system that doesn't incentivize actually doing battles.

How is it tough, at least SPM had a good story and characters.

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BakonBitz posted...

It's tough.

Super Paper Mario has extremely bad pacing issues, but Sticker Star is literally just a worse version of Paper Mario 64 in every single way, with a battle system that doesn't incentivize actually doing battles.

No it's not tough at all. SPM is significantly better and it's not close
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Sticker Star is easily the worst of the series. Super Paper Mario had its flaws, but it also had plenty of the charm of the Paper Mario series.

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LightHawKnight posted...

How is it tough, at least SPM had a good story and characters.

That alone can't really carry a game if the gameplay is mediocre to begin with.

I remember when I first played through Sticker Star, my impression was that the music was pretty good, had decent pacing, decent puzzles, unique art style...the big issue was the battle system fell apart simply because, how it was designed completely removes any incentive to engage in it. I also absolutely hated the boss design. Otherwise it was a decently fun battle system once I told myself to just deal with it. If the game gave you experience for doing battles it'd be the one thing that significantly changes it for the better.

SPM has it beat on the story and characters aspect by a mile, but in terms of gameplay...that's where I'm torn on.
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Balrog0 posted...

they all seem bad after ttyd

Color Splash and Origami King are legitimately great, but they focus on really cool levels over story.

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Color Splash is absolutely not great
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Garioshi posted...

Color Splash and Origami King are legitimately great, but they focus on really cool levels over story.

Can agree with this. Origami King was really fun, and Color Splash fixed the level design and writing flaws from Sticker Star.
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BakonBitz posted...

That alone can't really carry a game if the gameplay is mediocre to begin with.

I remember when I first played through Sticker Star, my impression was that the music was pretty good, had decent pacing, decent puzzles, unique art style...the big issue was the battle system fell apart simply because, how it was designed completely removes any incentive to engage in it. I also absolutely hated the boss design. Otherwise it was a decently fun battle system. If the game gave you experience for doing battles it'd be the one thing that significantly changes it for the better.

SPM has it beat on the story and characters aspect by a mile, but in terms of gameplay...that's where I'm torn on.

But Sticker Star's gameplay is just as bad and mostly pointless.

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Garioshi posted...

Color Splash and Origami King are legitimately great

oh man credibility gone. damn

No way, Sticker Star is terrible.

Garioshi posted...

Color Splash and Origami King are legitimately great, but they focus on really cool levels over story.

I haven't played Origami, but Color Splash is an immense improvement over Sticker Star in every conceivable way, so I could see Origami being even better.

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LightHawKnight posted...

But Sticker Star's gameplay is just as bad and mostly pointless.

It's a downgrade from PM64's (mostly due to simplified action commands, it's more reminiscent of SMRPG's) but I also don't entirely mind the idea of consumable attacks as long as I get something out of doing battles. Which yeah, Sticker Star didn't really...do.
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LightHawKnight posted...

But Sticker Star's gameplay is just as bad and mostly pointless.

Sticker Star's gameplay does not boil down to "Jump on the enemy or use Bowser + Carrie" for 99% of the game.

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Stop it. Get some help.

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Garioshi posted...

Sticker Star's gameplay does not boil down to "Jump on the enemy or use Bowser + Carrie" for 99% of the game.

I mean if you're going to complain about the simplicity of a platformer, then...
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Neckhomachus posted...

oh man credibility gone. damn

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Garioshi posted...

He's right tho

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One_Day_Remains posted...

I mean if you're going to complain about the simplicity of a platformer, then...

It's not that engaging as a platformer either. >_>
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Keep in mind TC thinks QoS is a top 5 Bond film

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Irony posted...

Keep in mind TC thinks QoS is a top 5 Bond film

And

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Irony posted...

Keep in mind TC thinks QoS is a top 5 Bond film

Oh, yikes...

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Huh...

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Sticker Star was absolute garbage. No story, gameplay that was irritating at best. There really is nothing redeeming about it.
Garioshi posted...

Sticker Star's gameplay does not boil down to "Jump on the enemy or use Bowser + Carrie" for 99% of the game.

That is literally more fun than anything in Sticker Star.

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uwnim posted...

gameplay that was irritating at best

I'm not going to act like it's Resident Evil 4, but it's inoffensive, much moreso than Super Paper Mario. The worst I can say about it is that it requires a lot of a priori knowledge about where you get Things and where you use them and that it's a bit too simplistic, but as I said before, it's very frictionless.

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Garioshi posted...

I'm not going to act like it's Resident Evil 4, but it's inoffensive, much moreso than Super Paper Mario. The worst I can say about it is that it requires a lot of a priori knowledge about where you get Things and where you use them and that it's a bit too simplistic, but as I said before, it's very frictionless.

Nah. It was terrible. There was like 1 fight maybe that wasnt horrid. Super Paper Mario was entertaining. Sticker Star was like anti-fun.

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uwnim posted...

Nah. It was terrible. There was like 1 fight maybe that wasnt horrid. Super Paper Mario was entertaining. Sticker Star was like anti-fun.

I mean, if you're determined not to like a game, there's nothing in the world that can make you like it. I'm not even a huge fan of Sticker Star, I think it's the second worst in the series, but I acknowledge its strengths all the same.

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Garioshi posted...

I mean, if you're determined not to like a game, there's nothing in the world that can make you like it. I'm not even a huge fan of Sticker Star, I think it's the second worst in the series, but I acknowledge its strengths all the same.

I tried to like it. Gave it a fair chance and played most of the way through and decided that the game sucked.

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sticker star is one of the few games where i quit 5 hours in because there was just nothing there, it's like the whole game was comprised of nothingness

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I haven't even finished Origami King and Miles Morales is downloading right now.

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Wow, I thought I was the only one who hated SPM.

Also I like how people are defending it by saying "no, Sticker Star is bad" when TC never said it was good. Nobody said Sticker Star wasn't bad. We're saying Sticker Star is bad and SPM is just as bad/worse.

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DK9292 posted...

Wow, I thought I was the only one who hated SPM.

Also I like how people are defending it by saying "no, Sticker Star is bad" when TC never said it was good. Nobody said Sticker Star wasn't bad. We're saying Sticker Star is bad and SPM is just as bad/worse.

This. I'm not really claiming Sticker Star is good by any stretch of the imagination, but as a game SPM might be the worst one of the bunch, with the story/characters being the only thing that carried me through it. Like, the issues I have with SPM...

- It's a hybrid RPG/Platformer and doesn't do either of those well at all. It's a boring platformer and more shallow of an RPG than previous Paper Mario games.
- The pacing is horrid. Constantly forcing you to do the same thing over and over again in order to progress the story, like backtracking because a door needs a code that requires like 16 inputs that you have to write down or memorize, paying off the debt and trying to find clues to "cheat" it (counting it because the first time through because you're not gonna know what to do to instantly get past that segment), fighting like 30-ish Sammer Guys that all fight exactly the same with extremely minor variations...and those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
- Puzzles pretty much all boil down to "if you can't progress, switch to 3D." Not really much thought put into them.
- Soundtrack is not really good or memorable like other Paper Mario OSTs. The only tracks I remember are like the Ultimate Showdown and the River Twygz Bed.
- Most of the character design is amazingly lazy and bland.
- Super fucking easy compared to other Paper Mario games. The final boss can be beaten in less than a couple minutes.
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Sticker Star was the best paper mario game. People are too blinded by nostalgia to see how it revitalised a dead franchise and brought it into the modern day.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Sticker Star was the best paper mario game. People are too blinded by nostalgia to see how it revitalised a dead franchise and brought it into the modern day.

No

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one of the biggest sins of super paper mario imo is that the entire fucking gimmick, the entire fucking POINT, the 2D - 3D shift, is fucking awful. the 3D version of the world is always DEAD and EMPTY

what a joke. paper mario used to feel so alive. now we got an uninspired new race of sidekicks and 1 town. joke town.

bump

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Neckhomachus posted...

one of the biggest sins of super paper mario imo is that the entire fucking gimmick, the entire fucking POINT, the 2D - 3D shift, is fucking awful. the 3D version of the world is always DEAD and EMPTY

I mean, imagine if they also had enemies. Precision jumping in 2D with the Wiimote D-Pad would be a nightmare.

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The only thing good about SPM was the writing. Everything else was horrid.

Sticker Star was bad for different reasons. It felt like a freshman attempt at making a generic RPG maker game. Overall in terms of straight gameplay Sticker Star is the better of the 2.

The biggest issue with Sticker Star is that there's just no reason to keep playing it. There's no real story. It's like someone just copied Super Mario Bros 3 into a paper mario game.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The only thing good about SPM was the writing. Everything else was horrid.

As I've explained before, the whole impetus of the story still makes no sense. Bleck should have stopped immediately after he realized Tippi was alive, gotten married to get the Purity Heart and stop the Void, and fucked right off, but he didn't. He's just being evil for the sake of being evil.

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I feel like the main draw of the writing in paper mario is the comedy and character interactions. I'm not really playing it for plot consistency. Sticker Star didn't really have any of that though.

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