Current Events > Who was the worst president in American history?

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If you had to pick one.

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I think the Trump wound won't be felt fully until the country has some perspective.

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Woodrow Wilson needs to be an option

You know who is the coolest? Calvin Coolidge

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Trump actively worked to hurt the country. Can't really say that about anyone else, even the most incompetent ones at least we're trying and listened to an adviser.

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harry "genocide" truman

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they are all so bad that its almost impossible to say.

Why the fuck is Ronald Reagan not on the poll?

The answer is Trump of course. Followed by Buchanan and then Jackson. Then Reagan.

He certainly should have gotten a slot over Dubya, who was just trying to be Reagan 2.
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Bush and Reagan are leagues worse than Trump

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i'd have included woodrow wilson before a lot of those choices.

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Ulysses S. Grant.

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The war criminal George W Bush .
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I think Trump has the highest non-military death count.

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Anyone who says Trump hasn't studied enough history.

Andrew Johnson is the reason we're even in this mess in the first place.

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Gotta be Buchanan. Then again, I too love to sit around with my thumbs up my ass while the country I'm supposed to be leading starts a civil war.

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If you asked me even a few months ago I still wouldve said Jackson or Buchanan, however with the way Trump is handling his loss and trying everything to destroy democracy itself I cant help but vote for the orange turd.

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LOL at everyone voting Trump. Talk about selective memory. Dubya was easily the worst during my lifetime. Though it's hard to top Harding and the pre civil war presidents.

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ShineboxPhil posted...

i'd have included woodrow wilson before a lot of those choices.

starting to think wilson was worse than buchanan

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trump

thrashmetal14 posted...

Woodrow Wilson needs to be an option

what was wrong w wilson?

gunplagirl posted...

Trump actively worked to hurt the country. Can't really say that about anyone else, even the most incompetent ones at least we're trying and listened to an adviser.

Nixon?
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The kids from CE have only seen Trump from that list, so that's a lock.

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Definitely Trump, but how isn't Nixon on the list? He's easily second worst.

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As someone not versed in American politics, how is Buchanan, Johnson, Wilson worse than Donald? I find it hard to believe anyone can be worse than him, but I have an open mind.

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

As someone not versed in American politics, how is Buchanan, Johnson, Wilson worse than Donald? I find it hard to believe anyone can be worse than him, but I have an open mind.

wilson:

• sold america into perennial financial slavery to the big banks
• introduced draconian legislation to suppress anti-war dissidents that is still abused to this day
• ran and won as a peace candidate before proceeding to deliberately get america involved in a war that killed almost 120k americans
• in the process of the previous point, tipped the balance of power in the war and at versailles and played a critical role in geopolitically paving the way for the rise of hitler in germany
• open racist and apologist for the confederacy and kkk
• segregated federal government workers

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

As someone not versed in American politics, how is Buchanan, Johnson, Wilson worse than Donald? I find it hard to believe anyone can be worse than him, but I have an open mind.

James Buchanan actively assisted the southern states in repressing Blacks (Endorsed the Dredd Scott case, Tried to ignore the Missouri compromise to admit Kansas as a slave state), And left the country on the brink of Civil War.

Andrew Johnson allowed the southern states to return to the union without and protections for the newly freed slaves, Setting the stage for the next century of racial injustice, Also the first sitting president to be impeached.

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Dubya was so bad even most Republicans hated him by the end

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Jimmy Carter, mostly because he was just too decent a human being for the job.

James Buchanan gleefully celebrated the infamous Dred Scott decision(wherein Chief Justice Robert Taney ruled that not only could slaves not become freed unless freed by their masters, but that they definitionally were not and could never be citizens), as a final resolution to the slavery question. His administration also facilitated the secession of the South and transferred tons of guns, cannons, powder, etc. to military storehouses in the South.

Johnson actively sabotaged Reconstruction and apparently promoted all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories. The Radical Republicans attempted to impeach him, but the Senate acquitted him by one (Moderate Republican) vote. Some of the moderates believed he would learn his lesson, but then Johnson turned around and issued a blanket pardon of all Confederates, which enabled them to immediately get back into politics(in the normal way, not just Klan domestic terrorism), which ultimately enabled the old Southern elite to restore itself to power.

Can someone splain to me why Reagan is bad? Im not saying I disagree, Im just dumb and uninformed.

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Evolician posted...

Can someone splain to me why Reagan is bad?

I dunno, exposing the idea of a communist utopia to be pure fantasy, I guess.

Good chance Trump is the last one and its first King

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We've had a lot of terrible presidents.

Trump is the only one that tried to undermine democracy as much and as blatantly as this.

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Before Trump, I wouldve said Hoover
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Anyone who doesn't say Trump is wrong. The dude should have not gotten more than 1 vote in either election and it's a societal failure that he did.

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Trump is worse than Buchanan and Johnson for pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord.

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Probably our own personal Hitler, Andrew Jackson

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Johnson. He had the most significant long-term damage to our country.

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I have two answers for this question depending on how its meant.

1. Who is the worst president based upon the events that transpired during their term?

Probably either Jackson or Buchanan.

2. Who would be the worst president to have, given a certain set of events and circumstances.

The answer here is Trump without a doubt. If you thought Buchanan was bad, imagine Trump in his shoes. The same for Jackson, Johnson, Reagan, etc.

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seankimberley42 posted...

I have two answers for this question depending on how its meant.

1. Who is the worst president based upon the events that transpired during their term?

Probably either Jackson or Buchanan.

2. Who would be the worst president to have, given a certain set of events and circumstances.

The answer here is Trump without a doubt. If you thought Buchanan was bad, imagine Trump in his shoes. The same for Jackson, Johnson, Reagan, etc.

Actually, Trump would probably be less damaging than Buchanan was in the same situation, because Trump is stupid and incompetent in a way Buchanan really wasn't. If you have to have evil, it's best that it's woefully incompetent and telegraphs what it's doing in advance.
In Johnson's place, he probably would have been about as bad.
In Jacksons'....LOL. Jackson was pretty nuts, but he was also pretty canny and quite a bit smarter than his opponents gave him credit(Jackson used his reputation to mislead and outmaneuver opposition, which suggests a capability for self-effacement that Trump lacks).

Reagan wasn't a good president, he's just massively overrated due to a (highly successful) propaganda campaign launched in his final years in office. Trump would absolutely be worse than him: he would have engaged in (or enabled) all the same evil, but it's impossible to imagine him giving undocumented immigrants amnesty or negotiating with Gorbachev in good faith.

Trump did alright with economy related things intil the pandemic happened. Also no terrorist attacks that i can recall. Not counting the domestic ones. He wasnt great but far from the worst. Nixon anyone? Reagan?

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Why hasn't Obama been mentioned? He's definitely bottom 5 along with Trump.

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Unspecified_NPC posted...

I think the Trump wound won't be felt fully until the country has some perspective.

This.

But I still say Trump. He ignored a pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, actively damaged our relationships with our long-standing foreign allies, screwed over the environment, education, the FCC and the USPS by appointing corporate yes-men over those industries, and is outright refusing to accept that he lost a fair election and is blatantly trying to stage a coup (let's not pretend that it's not one).

Other Presidents have done shitty things, but I can't think of someone who actively harmed the country itself.

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Andrew Jackson because he was the 19th century Hitler

Rutherford B. Hayes because he ended Reconstruction and let the south do whatever the fuck they wanted, setting civil rights back another two centuries

Thomas Jefferson because he was a serial killing rapist of slaves

All are worse and it's not up to debate. Donald Trump is bottom 10 though guaranteed, arguably bottom 5.

thrashmetal14 posted...

Woodrow Wilson needs to be an option

Came in for that. Naturally, Trump is the knee jerk, but we won't know for sure just how bad things were until he gets executed for treason leaking confidential shit on Twitter at some point.

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Trump and before he became president probably Buchanan or Andrew Johnson

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