Current Events > Do you think that conservatism has a place in the government?

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So I think it's good for stopping the extreme liberalism but at the same time it should be so extreme that they hold everything back.
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I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

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Conservatism is essentially just a fancy word for immaturity

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

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That's what neoliberals are for.

There is a place in government for classic conservatives, but there should be no place for Tea Party, Ayn Rand, Trumpist racists.

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Absolutely.

Good thing it already has a foothold in a little place called reality.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

This

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Nope. Conservatism is inherently anti-progress.

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Not really, I mean it's important we try to balance the budget to an extent or at least spend within our means, but human life is more important than balancing the books every year imho

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Crystal_pony posted...

So I think it's good for stopping the extreme liberalism

What extreme liberalism? If you're talking about the USA, liberalism period barely exists in the government.

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Not any aspect of it that's important to the GoP.

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Inherently progressivism cannot continue forever or at some point it will progress to something meaningless or something you personally disagree with.

Everyone has a balance in their political ideology of progressivism and conservatism. No, you most likely aren't either a progressive or a conservative with no in between. If you think you are you've probably been pushed there by dangerous partisanship.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

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Conservatism is basically willful ignorance.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Inherently progressivism cannot continue forever or at some point it will progress to something meaningless or something you personally disagree with.

Everyone has a balance in their political ideology of progressivism and conservatism. No, you most likely aren't either a progressive or a conservative with no in between. If you think you are you've probably been pushed there by dangerous partisanship.

This is ignoring that modern-day conservatism is rooted deeply in a set of outdated beliefs and a complete misunderstanding of how reality works.

If progressivism ever required something to balance it out, that belief system would bare almost no resemblance to the kind of conservatism we see today, to the point where it might as well be something different.

This also incorrectly presumes that the opposite of progress is stagnation, and not regression (which is historically what conservatives have stood for).

So fact remains, it has no place in a modern day functioning society

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

Same here.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think fascism has a place anywhere, really.

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i don't know, what is conservatism?

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Gov and religion should never meet at all

Of course

Every single poster itt would be considered "conservative" by someone out there with more extreme beliefs

Our government works best with civilly competing ideas. The notion that those who disagree should have no voice is just a flavor of fascism that happens to taste good to CE
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

This is ignoring that modern-day conservatism is rooted deeply in a set of outdated beliefs and a complete misunderstanding of how reality works.

If progressivism ever required something to balance it out, that belief system would bare almost no resemblance to the kind of conservatism we see today, to the point where it might as well be something different.

This also incorrectly presumes that the opposite of progress is stagnation, and not regression (which is historically what conservatives have stood for).

So fact remains, it has no place in a modern day functioning society

This entire topic doesn't actually have to do with progressivism vs. conservatism and is really another another anti-GOP/popular conservatism in America topic. The GOP does not represent conservatism, like at all actually. They are very willing to blindly spend money as long as it benefits them. Only relatively are they the "party of conservatism".

There was a time when the Code of Hammurabi was progressive. If you personally value religion, that is a conservative value. If you value order in society, that is a conservative value. If you value a moral code that you have established for yourself, that is a conservative value. It's really not as simple and partisan as people ITT are making it out to be.

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Nah, Im not a loser.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

That's what neoliberals are for.

There is a place in government for classic conservatives, but there should be no place for Tea Party, Ayn Rand, Trumpist racists.

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Actual conservatism? Maybe.

GOP brand conservatism? Lol not at all
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Absolutely not and I'm glad it seems to be dying off with the generation that brought it in.

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imagine claiming government as a concept doesnt work and then asking people to elect you to the government

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Damn_Underscore posted...

There was a time when the Code of Hammurabi was progressive. If you personally value religion, that is a conservative value. If you value order in society, that is a conservative value. If you value a moral code that you have established for yourself, that is a conservative value. It's really not as simple and partisan as people ITT are making it out to be.

Except the topic is arguing if conservatism has any place in the government. Most people would agree that, regardless of individual religious beliefs, religion has no place in any form of government, especially for a nation like the U.S. that's supposed to be secular.

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g980 posted...

Of course

Every single poster itt would be considered "conservative" by someone out there with more extreme beliefs

No, conservatism is a definite political philosophy with a definition it has given itself. And I don't think any of it has a place anywhere.

g980 posted...

Our government works best with civilly competing ideas.

Our government has probably inflicted more misery in the world than almost any other, so I'd rather just put it in a jar without any holes while we fix the mess it has caused.

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pre-reagan levels of fiscal conservatism? sure. whatever the fuck it is that people call "social conservatism"? kill it with fucking fire.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

No, conservatism is a definite political philosophy with a definition it has given itself. And I don't think any of it has a place anywhere.

So? Someone could still claim your stance on an issue is rooted in conservatism.
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't think conservatism has a place anywhere, really.

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Conservatism has nothing to do with reducing spending that only emerged as a talking point to oppose policy that would benefit black people. Conservatism as an ideology exists only to maintain the existing social hierarchy through whatever means necessary that are socially acceptable at the time. If that means lynching black people in the streets they will do it. If that means supporting police who brutalize their fellow citizens they will do it. This sort of ideology has no place in a functional society.

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g980 posted...

So? Someone could still claim your stance on an issue is rooted in conservatism.

And they'd be wrong.

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