Current Events > Pedophiles are sub-human defects

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shucks i wouldve gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky pogo_rabids!

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Why the fuck is there a poll about a topic title that is stating the obvious?

Because not everybody agrees with the statement...

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TC made a thread he knew would get a visceral, knee-jerk emotional response, and got what he asked for.

Nuance on the Internet is an endangered concept.

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COVxy posted...

That was a clever way to avoid answering the question.

Its a false equivalence. Adult porn is far easier to produce and sell, its a flooded buyers market. CP is a sellers market.

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Conflict posted...

It seems weird to assume every single person with those urges is an offender. It's kinda impossible to know, especially when they're not exactly going to tell anybody they're a pedophile to begin with

That assumption doesn't help progress towards the proper solution; i.e. encouraging them to get help so they don't offend.

It would probably help if you stop taking everything you read at face value. Obviously I'm not stupid enough to believe that not a single person in mankind's existence has ever reached out for help regarding their immoral urges towards children. But let's not kid ourselves and pretend like they aren't the minority. Furthermore, the ones that do reach out for help likely aren't the problem because they at least recognize that how they feel is wrong.

Besides, progress isn't going to be made on a no-name video game message board where everyone argues because they believe they are right and not because they are open to having their opinion changed.

ReignFury posted...

Its a false equivalence. Adult porn is far easier to produce and sell, its a flooded buyers market. CP is a sellers market.

So you expect that there are a bunch of people out there filming themselves fuck little kids that they otherwise wouldn't be fucking because it's good and easy money?

Like, what?

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Child molesters are. Pedophiles are victims of a condition they have no control over.

Don't judge them on their attraction but their actions.

COVxy posted...

So you expect that there are a bunch of people out their filming themselves fuck little kids that they otherwise wouldn't be fucking because it's good and easy money?

Like, what?

They film it then sell it on the dark web, sometimes they film to order

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ReignFury posted...

They film it then sell it on the dark web, sometimes they film to order

Seems to me that there are far easier and less risky ways to make money, like robbing a bank.

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COVxy posted...

Seems to me that there are far easier and less risky ways to make money, like robbing a bank.

Congratulations, you just solved child porn.

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While we sort of lump it under one word, I think there are a wide variety of personality types that lead to such abuse, from arousal over power and dominance to those that are for whatever mental reason only attracted to young children. It's definitely a very sensitive topic, but there should be a bit of openness for the mentally ill to get help. Though it should not be the whole "embrace it like a sexuality" meme shit on Twitter. Anyone who touches a kid is forever beyond help and can rot.

Fossil posted...

Obviously I'm not stupid enough to believe that not a single person in mankind's existence has ever reached out for help regarding their immoral urges towards children. But let's not kid ourselves and pretend like they aren't the minority.

I'd say the main reason that they're the minority is because unfortunately the position expressed by some of the fucknuggets in this topic is the position of society at large.

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It's kind of funny to see Twitter devolve into the cesspit it is today, because it lines up conveniently with the brief and ultimately lax Tumblr NSFW ban.

This whole thing about MAPs on Twitter trying to normalize pedophilia and latch it onto the LGBTQIA+ wagon - that was a hot button issue on Tumblr back in 2018 just before the NSFW ban went into effect, because that's the platform where a bunch of pedo shitheads tried to normalize it first. They've been trying to tether pedo shit to identity politics since at least 2018. And like all of the whacked-out subcultures that existed on Tumblr before the NSFW ban, it seems to have migrated to Twitter in the years following that ban.

And the thing is that a lot of Twitter discourse today matches up with the ugliest Tumblr discourse of the last 5 years too. The "debating" style, the disproportionate amount of rage, woke posturing and attempted cancellation over shit like LGBTQIA+ content in cartoons, fandom culture - I swear to god, it's like it all moved over. And it's not an unprecedented theory, since there was a concerted effort for a ton of users to migrate to other platforms. I believe that the MAP shit is as prevalent on a social network as big as Twitter partly due to the Tumblr NSFW ban of 2018. Some people even say it could have been a deciding factor in Apple removing the Tumblr app from the App Store, which was the inciting incident that led to the NSFW ban in the first place.

And the thing is that the public reception of this group on Tumblr was universally negative, and people still post to this day about how MAPs are scum and that if anyone identifies as one they should immediately unfollow. This was not a welcome subculture, this was a disturbing discovery with months of fallout. I see its continued existence on Twitter as an extension of that Tumblr migration, and it depresses me that pedophiles seem to be successfully piggybacking on the back of identity politics to normalise pedophilia. It probably existed on Twitter concurrently with the Tumblr effort, and it probably would have spread regardless of the NSFW ban prompting a Tumblr migration, but as someone who was around during the initial discovery and fallout on Tumblr, through the NSFW ban and subsequent user migration, it's hard not to see the current Twitter discourse as a continuation of that.

Like jeez, when I joined Tumblr, the worst thing I found outside of like biphobic/aphobic discourse was the "lifter" subculture, where people would shoplift and post their stolen hordes online. The "lifter" community still exists on Tumblr, too - really shitty.

I've had a few drinks, so I went on a Tumblr ramble sorry. The point was to outline how long this shit has been going on, and to outline the context I'm approaching MAP shit from. Here's the meat of my post:

There are people who seem cut up about this shit, who actively don't want it to be a part of them, and I sympathize with that. But even on that level, there is a reasonable amount of ostracization that should be applied to people who are attracted to kids. At best - approaching this topic with the minimum amount of good faith possible - they drew the short straw in a fucked up genetic lottery, and that's something they have to live with for their whole lives for the sake of everyone around them.

And even assuming there is a good faith argument to be had about this topic, nothing about the whole MAP situation is in good faith. Gay people aren't defined by an attraction that is impossible to express except through rape. Trans people don't rape people to express their gender identity. The attempt to hitch MAP to LGBTQIA+ talking points, to use the decades of struggle and violence levelled against non-straight, non-cis orientations to try and normalize pedophilia, is absolutely disgusting and disrespectful to the community that they're actively trying to associate with.

The LGBTQIA+ umbrella suffered from an association with perversion, overt sexuality and corruption for decades, including being deemed as awful as pedophiles for the sole act of not fitting the cishet norm. It was all lumped together - "gay" was synonymous with "child-toucher". The way that MAPs are trying to pattern themselves after the wider LGBTQIA+ community, to normalize their attraction to children, only serves to invite this comparison back and smear the LGBTQIA+ umbrella with that mark once again. I can't reasonably take this whole "MAP" thing, an attempt to reclaim and empower the idea of being attracted to kids, as a comparison being made in good faith. All it does is invite old bigotry to marginalised people who don't invite it or associate with it, whose entire sexual identity isn't predicated on child rape.

And of course, there's what being a "MAP" signifies - that you're sexually attracted to children. And this whole MAP thing is an attempt to create a safe, PC term, so that pedophiles don't feel so judged. This acronym serves to normalize, obfuscate and downplay what it is - an inherent attraction to children. It's unacceptable. It's an attempt to rationalise and justify sexual feelings for a child. It can't be compared to a consensual relationship between two adults, because adults have experienced a physical and mental maturation that prepares them for that sort of relationship. You cannot experience that relationship with a child, because they aren't physically or mentally equipped to do those things. Acting on an attraction like that destroys a child's life. It completely distorts their development as a human being and breeds dysfunction. There is no way to act on a pedophilic attraction without engaging in rape.

And it is absolutely fucking disgusting that this act would be justified in "uwu soft boy, I am being discriminated against uwu" terms. By attempting to normalize the concept, to foster acceptance of the idea of an adult exhibiting attraction to children, is to put sexual needs of an adult over a child's quality of life. It's selfish, it's incredibly damaging to children, it casts an incredible amount of unjustified bigotry over a group which has endured decades of harassment, assault and murder due to being lumped in with the same kind of perversion that child rape is.

There's nothing ethical, excusable or acceptable about the normalisation of pedophile behavior by "minor-attracted people". They have a cross to bear for the welfare of our future generations, and by trying to normalise the idea of an adult being attracted to a child, all they do is enable and justify the idea that adults can have adult relationships with children. And you would think that a group that supposedly cares about the autonomy of a child would care enough to stay away from them, let them live their life and grow as people without having an adult experience forced on them before they can physically and emotionally comprehend what is happening to them. Pedophilia, in all its forms, is selfish on the part of an adult and inherently harmful to the development of a child - it isn't love, it isn't respect. It's self-gratification at the expense of another person's life, and it's rape. And any attempt to dress it up in socially acceptable veneer is despicable on multiple fronts.

The only result of MAP discourse and the normalisation of pedophilia is child rape. If those pedo fucks really cared about children, they would use their power as an adult to stay the absolute fuck away from any and all children.

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I've talked about this before. I think we NEED to do better as a society and offer some form of help for these guys. I don't support pedophiles. But when you keep them hidden in the shadows instead of offering counseling or some kind of rehabilitation, you're making them more dangerous to children.

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I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once Orlando_Jordan has hit the nail square on the head.

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Conflict posted...

Bro that post is way too long

i quite like that dude's style, he posts outrageously long-form thought out pieces on here and doesn't even seem to care if anyone reads them
it's awesome

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They are composed of 100% human DNA. Maybe we should try to help these people with these dangerous urges if we are going to say that they are defective. That suggests some kind of malady that requires research and treatment.

That is not condoning their actions, just saying that we don't make enough of an effort to stop creating monsters.

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Pedophilia is such a taboo subject that we don't really talk about the intricacies of it. Maybe we should.

Some people may be born with it. How do you fix that? Where do you draw the line on pedophilia? 18 years old? 16? Some countries' aoc is 13/14. Are you really a pedo if you were born and raised in a country with an AOC of 13/14? What are some of the ways we can help these people with this condition? Some of them know it's wrong, but act on it anyways because it's an urge.

However, if I were a parent and my kids were molested/raped...I'd go on a rampage.

Parasites that deserve to be exterminated.

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GGuirao13 posted...

Parasites that deserve to be exterminated.

Straight out of mein kamph

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GGuirao13 posted...

Parasites that deserve to be exterminated.

anyone who actually believes this needs to immediately go to their local police station and demand to be arrested as a potential future rapist. all you're really saying here is that you don't believe they can control themselves because you can't control yourself either.

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Medussa posted...

anyone who actually believes this needs to immediately go to their local police station and demand to be arrested as a potential future rapist. all you're really saying here is that you don't believe they can control themselves because you can't control yourself either.

How did you wind up with that conclusion

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i'm simply applying his own logic a little more broadly.

if we blanket judge every pedophile to life incarceration or execution because we can't be sure which ones can't be trusted (or worse, assume they all can't be trusted), it's only logical to apply those same rules to everyone who isn't asexual.

in short: fuck your thoughtcrimes bullshit, or expect it to be used on you.

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Conflict posted...

Bro that post is way too long

Don't care, drunk

The Trent posted...

i quite like that dude's style, he posts outrageously long-form thought out pieces on here and doesn't even seem to care if anyone reads them
it's awesome

I appreciate it. If I care enough, I might back it up. But for the most part, I'm satisfied that I was able to express myself in a way that feels true to how I feel on the subject. It's honestly pretty zen posting it somewhere where it'll be deleted in a day or two. I got it out of me, the people who cared about it read it, and even after it's gone I still feel better for having expressed myself

Excuse the fart-huffing self-importance, drunk

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Medussa posted...

anyone who actually believes this needs to immediately go to their local police station and demand to be arrested as a potential future rapist. all you're really saying here is that you don't believe they can control themselves because you can't control yourself either.

What an odd post.

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this topic makes people so irrational that "you can't kill people who haven't done anything wrong" somehow becomes a controversial statement.

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Medussa posted...

this topic makes people so irrational that "you can't kill people who haven't done anything wrong" somehow becomes a controversial statement.

Booooo

*throws rotten produce*

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RadiantAdolin posted...

Child molesters are. Pedophiles are victims of a condition they have no control over.

Don't judge them on their attraction but their actions.

This

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Honestly, people are free to fantasize about what they want. But it's when they actually do molest kids for real, that's when it becomes fucked up.

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Medussa posted...

anyone who actually believes this needs to immediately go to their local police station and demand to be arrested as a potential future rapist. all you're really saying here is that you don't believe they can control themselves because you can't control yourself either.

And if someone has ever been angry at someone else, it's grounds for summary execution for being a potential murderer.

I mean, if we wanted to take it to its logical extreme. (Yes, I agree with you. This is silly. Judge by deeds, not by thoughts. If someone is ill, help them.)

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78923454#40

toyota posted...

Remember how they said slippery slopes are just a fallacy

Wonder what TC could possibly be referring to
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The Trent posted...

i quite like that dude's style, he posts outrageously long-form thought out pieces on here and doesn't even seem to care if anyone reads them
it's awesome

That's nothing compared to The Moonlight Knight (tmk)'s posts. Now that's how you get a point accross.

Haven't seen him post in years, but a good guy.


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Christ, that Cuties movie is really riling people up isnt it?

This reminds me of the surge in rich people are evil topics that sprouted up when Joker came out.

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Super hard agree.

Like sure they can't help that they were born into thinking like that but that's not society's problem, that's their fucking problem. Sometimes people are born with the short end of the stick, and just because they were born like that and may not have the urges to act upon it doesn't mean they're not defects...

It sucks for them but children are far more important to society and it's simply better to be safe than sorry when it comes down to pedophiles

MrMallard posted...

And even assuming there is a good faith argument to be had about this topic, nothing about the whole MAP situation is in good faith. Gay people aren't defined by an attraction that is impossible to express except through rape. Trans people don't rape people to express their gender identity. The attempt to hitch MAP to LGBTQIA+ talking points, to use the decades of struggle and violence levelled against non-straight, non-cis orientations to try and normalize pedophilia, is absolutely disgusting and disrespectful to the community that they're actively trying to associate with.

The LGBTQIA+ umbrella suffered from an association with perversion, overt sexuality and corruption for decades, including being deemed as awful as pedophiles for the sole act of not fitting the cishet norm. It was all lumped together - "gay" was synonymous with "child-toucher". The way that MAPs are trying to pattern themselves after the wider LGBTQIA+ community, to normalize their attraction to children, only serves to invite this comparison back and smear the LGBTQIA+ umbrella with that mark once again. I can't reasonably take this whole "MAP" thing, an attempt to reclaim and empower the idea of being attracted to kids, as a comparison being made in good faith. All it does is invite old bigotry to marginalised people who don't invite it or associate with it, whose entire sexual identity isn't predicated on child rape.

And of course, there's what being a "MAP" signifies - that you're sexually attracted to children. And this whole MAP thing is an attempt to create a safe, PC term, so that pedophiles don't feel so judged. This acronym serves to normalize, obfuscate and downplay what it is - an inherent attraction to children. It's unacceptable. It's an attempt to rationalise and justify sexual feelings for a child. It can't be compared to a consensual relationship between two adults, because adults have experienced a physical and mental maturation that prepares them for that sort of relationship. You cannot experience that relationship with a child, because they aren't physically or mentally equipped to do those things. Acting on an attraction like that destroys a child's life. It completely distorts their development as a human being and breeds dysfunction. There is no way to act on a pedophilic attraction without engaging in rape.

And it is absolutely fucking disgusting that this act would be justified in "uwu soft boy, I am being discriminated against uwu" terms. By attempting to normalize the concept, to foster acceptance of the idea of an adult exhibiting attraction to children, is to put sexual needs of an adult over a child's quality of life. It's selfish, it's incredibly damaging to children, it casts an incredible amount of unjustified bigotry over a group which has endured decades of harassment, assault and murder due to being lumped in with the same kind of perversion that child rape is.

There's nothing ethical, excusable or acceptable about the normalisation of pedophile behavior by "minor-attracted people". They have a cross to bear for the welfare of our future generations, and by trying to normalise the idea of an adult being attracted to a child, all they do is enable and justify the idea that adults can have adult relationships with children. And you would think that a group that supposedly cares about the autonomy of a child would care enough to stay away from them, let them live their life and grow as people without having an adult experience forced on them before they can physically and emotionally comprehend what is happening to them. Pedophilia, in all its forms, is selfish on the part of an adult and inherently harmful to the development of a child - it isn't love, it isn't respect. It's self-gratification at the expense of another person's life, and it's rape. And any attempt to dress it up in socially acceptable veneer is despicable on multiple fronts.

The only result of MAP discourse and the normalisation of pedophilia is child rape. If those pedo fucks really cared about children, they would use their power as an adult to stay the absolute fuck away from any and all children.

Drunk or not, you typed a long post that (probably) had more thought put into it than half of this board, so I'd like to address it.

I disagree with what was quoted (the latter half of your post).

Simply because, my counterargument is that the MAP crowd is often grouped with people who like anime lolis (aka fictional children, harming no one), or even people who simply prefer petite bodies. There's an entire subsection of JAV porn where 18+ girls can pass as ~12 year olds. Asian aging is a magical thing.

In that sense, the pedophiles who only consume that kind of content are doing so without harming any actual children, and thus are not committing any crimes.

Now, condemn the actual child molesters all you want, but when it gets conflated to the point that no one can look at a child-like body whatsoever, even if they are either legal or not real (!), then I have to take issue with it.

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What type of clown ass world are we living in that people are actually defending pedophiles. what in the fuck. imagine literally sjw-ing for pedos.

toyota posted...

What type of clown ass world are we living in that people are actually defending pedophiles. what in the fuck. imagine literally sjw-ing for pedos.

The23rdMagus posted...

TC made a thread he knew would get a visceral, knee-jerk emotional response, and got what he asked for.

Nuance on the Internet is an endangered concept.

I see you.

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the one that values due process and just cause.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

You can't punish someone for thought crime. No matter how disgusting the thoughts are.

Unless they've actually harmed a child then there's nothing to talk about.

The23rdMagus posted...

Non-offenders need understanding and help. Offenders need a cell. It's just that simple - like the difference between having violent fantasies and actually killing someone.

Orlando_Jordan posted...

I've talked about this before. I think we NEED to do better as a society and offer some form of help for these guys. I don't support pedophiles. But when you keep them hidden in the shadows instead of offering counseling or some kind of rehabilitation, you're making them more dangerous to children.

The Wheelman1 posted...

Honestly, people are free to fantasize about what they want. But it's when they actually do molest kids for real, that's when it becomes fucked up.

Eab1990 posted...

condemn the actual child molesters all you want, but when it gets conflated to the point that no one can look at a child-like body whatsoever, even if they are either legal or not real (!), then I have to take issue with it.

Basically all this. The people who have actually harmed a real child or watched porn with a real child in it can burn in hell, but thoughts and attraction alone shouldn't be punished.
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Don't punish people for thought crimes
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MutantJohn posted...

Don't punish people for thought crimes

pedophila is their ultra instinct. fuck them disgusting subhuman pieces of shit.

toyota posted...

pedophila is their ultra instinct. fuck them disgusting subhuman pieces of shit.

You're doing this weird thing where you imply they can't help it, but rage like it's a conscious choice.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You're doing this weird thing where you imply they can't help it, but rage like it's a conscious choice.

world would objectively be a better place if they didnt exist

toyota posted...

world would objectively be a better place if they didnt exist

Oh so now we like post-birth abortion

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I'm tagging Tc as a facist.

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the mods say generalizing a group of people is against the rules. but i guess that doesn't apply here for "reasons"

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