Current Events > Vader's redemption is such a powerful moment

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Josiah_Is_Back
07/25/20 7:11:58 PM
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He was deceived by Palpatine's lies his entire life, stripped of everything he loved, blamed for it, and consumed by hatred and evil. It was finally in that moment, on the brink of his son's death, that he freed himself from the deception.
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I4NRulez
07/25/20 7:13:13 PM
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eh until you watch the prequels. Then you realize it was stupid.

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lilORANG
07/25/20 7:13:42 PM
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Nah, he's still complicit in every evil thing the empire ever did. One good act did not redeem a lifetime of cruelty.
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monkmith
07/25/20 7:14:21 PM
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then disney retconed that redemption away by magically bringing back palpatine.

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ASithLord7
07/25/20 7:20:19 PM
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monkmith posted...
then disney retconed that redemption away by magically bringing back palpatine.
A) no they didnt
B) you dont know what retcon means

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DrizztLink
07/25/20 7:20:40 PM
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monkmith posted...
then disney retconed that redemption away by magically bringing back palpatine.
Somehow

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DarthAragorn
07/25/20 7:27:09 PM
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Sequels shit all over it
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1NfamousACE_2
07/25/20 7:27:20 PM
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Thought this topic was about Big Van Vader

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Zack_Attackv1
07/25/20 7:44:18 PM
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billcom6
07/25/20 7:44:36 PM
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dude is such a flip flopper

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BipBapBam
07/25/20 7:48:21 PM
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monkmith posted...
then disney retconed that redemption away by magically bringing back palpatine.
All he took was a million foot drop and 2 explosions. No big deal tbh.

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Herodopus
07/25/20 7:49:22 PM
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Too bad it turns out the emperor didnt die. I mean it's nice Anakin got to feel better about himself but in the grand scheme of things he didnt do dick
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Politics
07/25/20 7:51:41 PM
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I don't like sand.

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ViewtifulGrave
07/25/20 7:51:41 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
A) no they didnt
B) you dont know what retcon means
Are you saying that Palpatines spirit traveling to a clone body after being tossed down the reactor core shaft and starting the First Order isnt a retcon?

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ViewtifulGrave
07/25/20 7:58:03 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
suddenly you're 100% redeemed for something that was partially your own fault in the first place
Anakin came back to the Light, but nowhere is it said that he was redeemed. Luke was the only person that cared about him. Anakin only fulfilled the prophecy, he didnt change his image around the galaxy.

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Prismsblade
07/25/20 7:58:17 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
>be an immense piece of shit for decades, slaughtering countless directly and indirectly, including on one instance, children
>even willing to kill your own children
>kill your master and the head of your genocidal fascist state, only after years and years of directly supporting him as he kills trillions throughout the galaxy
>and even then after he tortures your son, whom you decide you really care for after all after you had every intention of killing him just because your master told you to
>suddenly you're 100% redeemed for something that was partially your own fault in the first place

Man, Star Wars sure does have some writing, huh?
The force orchestrated it all both for wiping out the jedi who became to powerful, and creating the time bomb that was Anakin to eventually betray and kill Palpatine. Restoring balance.

It's pretty fucked up, but Palpatine would still likely be where he was in ROTJ with or without Anakin. And no means of stopping him likely.

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Funkydog
07/25/20 8:01:17 PM
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First it was great, then they ruined it with the prequels, then they redeemed it with clone wars show.

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lilORANG
07/25/20 8:05:00 PM
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Ya know what's a weird retcon? Palpatine was literally a woman in episode 5.
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ultimate reaver
07/25/20 8:06:50 PM
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the "he was destined to bring balance to the force" stuff cheapens the moment and makes it feel silly because it now has the baggage that for an untold amount of time jedis were whispering among themselves the legend of a guy who throws an old man into a hole

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Offworlder1
07/25/20 8:09:25 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Sequels shit all over it


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ASithLord7
07/25/20 8:12:11 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Are you saying that Palpatines spirit traveling to a clone body after being tossed down the reactor core shaft and starting the First Order isnt a retcon?
Again, do you know what the fuck a retcon is

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DeadBankerDream
07/25/20 8:18:59 PM
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And then the prequels happened and you realized that rather than just being a soldier in an evil regime, Vader helped build that regime on the corpses of children he slaughtered.
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ohiostate124
07/25/20 8:20:00 PM
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Too bad the sequel trilogy ruined everything
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ASithLord7
07/25/20 8:20:35 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
And then the prequels happened and you realized that rather than just being a soldier in an evil regime, Vader helped build that regime on the corpses of children he slaughtered.
Its specifically mentioned that Vader turned on the Jedi and murdered them in the OT. Seems like an issue of you not paying attention if thought he was just a soldier

A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.

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Reiss
07/25/20 8:21:50 PM
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even if you just took what happened in the OT into consideration, vaders "redemption* was extremely hamfisted
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DrizztLink
07/25/20 8:22:17 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
>be an immense piece of shit for decades, slaughtering countless directly and indirectly, including on one instance, children
Technically he slaughtered children on at least two occasions.

SAND PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE TOO

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DeadBankerDream
07/25/20 8:25:51 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...

Its specifically mentioned that Vader turned on the Jedi and murdered them in the OT. Seems like an issue of you not paying attention if thought he was just a soldier

A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.

Ignoring that, you know, Obi-Wan is lying, yes, that is what a soldier does.
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BipBapBam
07/25/20 8:27:52 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Obi-Wan is lying, yes
From a certain point of view...

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ASithLord7
07/25/20 8:28:49 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Ignoring that, you know, Obi-Wan is lying, yes, that is what a soldier does.
Hes lying about him not being Lukes father, not about him betraying the Jedi.

god any reach to whine and shitpost huh

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Panthera
07/25/20 8:41:57 PM
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Deciding, eventually, that you like someone who acted friendly towards you because the plot told him it would help somehow more than the creepy old guy who helped you ruin your life and also has made it pretty clear he wants you dead and replaced with a better servant...is not much of a redemption

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ViewtifulGrave
07/25/20 8:52:21 PM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Again, do you know what the fuck a retcon is
Lucas said that Anakin killed Palpatine then Disney changed it. How is that not a retcon?

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