Current Events > Minimum wage workers cannot afford rent in any U.S. state

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JMO don't you make 6 figures in nyc or something

why should anyone trust your perspective on this

GentlemanGamer posted...

Those places don't have work. And if you are commuting long distance for your work, your costs are increasing with car maintenance and gasoline, not to mention generally just losing free time for a second job or mental health(most min wage workers need one because most min wage jobs are not full time).

We're talking minimum wage labor here. You don't have to go to NYC to find a McD.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Oh look, now you're just flat out making stuff up about me hating poor people. Nice shitpost, kid.

You keep proving my point. :)

Questionmarktarius posted...

My mortgage is $530. Renting is just a monetary vacuum.

Is that PITI?

My mortgage is like 1100 PI but with TI added on it's like 1800

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JustMyOpinion posted...

I proved your point that I hate poor people by denying that I hate poor people? Another shitpost from you I see.

Nuance is difficult for you, we get it.

The cost of living is prohibitively expensive. It's not a question of whether people can find a means to survive, because they clearly can, it's a question of whether this is the sort of society we want to live in. People aren't getting married. They aren't buying houses. They aren't having kids.

Having a kid costs something like $35,000 just to get through pregnancy. I never want to hear a boomer talk about bootstraps again.

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this is the price of freedom

EnragedSlith posted...

The cost of living is prohibitively expensive. It's not a question of whether people can find a means to survive, because they clearly can, it's a question of whether this is the sort of society we want to live in. People aren't getting married. They aren't buying houses. They aren't having kids.

Having a kid costs something like $35,000 just to get through pregnancy. I never want to hear a boomer talk about bootstraps again.

This is why it's an outrage that a garbage apartment costs like $500 minimum and why it's not a "luxury" for your housing costs to ideally be no more than 30% of your income.

If you're spending $500 out of $800 a month, you're not able to save money for a down payment on a house. You can't finance a new car. You can't buy consumer goods. You can't raise a kid. The economy will absolutely collapse if this is allowed to continue. People can't live like this.

JustMyOpinion posted...

See my sig. I think we're done here.

"My sig says I'm never wrong because I said so" - Nice shitpost, kid.

JustMyOpinion posted...

Whose shitposting alt is this?

This is my only and main account, but typical of you to deflect instead of addressing my point.

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

There is cheap housing outside the cities

What this article is saying is, actually no there isn't

Questionmarktarius posted...

My mortgage is $530. Renting is just a monetary vacuum.

Thing is, you need money in the first place to get a mortgage

if you cant build savings, you cant make a down payment

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TheGoldenEel posted...

What this article is saying is, actually no there isn't

the article is saying, a single person on min wage can't afford a 2 bedroom apartment alone and keep 70% of their income for not rent.

What most in this topic don't realize is that what the article does say, is 2 people can afford a 2 bedroom apartment and keep 70% of their income for not rent, which is not the point you want to make for increasing minimum wage (which is long over due to be increased to somewhere around $9-11, with cities needing to individually be above that, it also should automatically adjust with inflation every 3-5 years)

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Lol. Like you were looking for some sort of serious discussion with your original angry post. Nice try, kid.

Once again you deflect instead of addressing why anyone (i.e you) who has a gimmick of being an e-argument poster online and self declares himself as "best user" and tallies "wins" at his own discretion has any sort of credibility whatsoever.

you are nobody

greencheek posted...

Once again you deflect instead of addressing why anyone (i.e you) who has a gimmick of being an e-argument poster online and self declares himself as "best user" and tallies "wins" at his own discretion has any sort of credibility whatsoever.

you are nobody

dont tell me you think the shtick is unironic

Herodopus posted...

dont tell me you think the shtick is unironic

this is CE I wouldn't put it past anyone

hell there are users that post news here that think they're actual reporters like it's some kind of job

I make over double the minimum wage and living alone would be unsustainable, even if a landlord would allow me to rent without making triple the rent.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

There is cheap housing outside the cities

And no jobs or public transportation.

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Fony posted...

And no jobs or public transportation.

They just need to move outside the city where there are no jobs or schools and pull themselves up by their bootstraps!

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Lukey_Bug posted...

Probably a tiny piece of shit. Mine is 1200 for a three bedroom 1 and a half bath. 3 floors with basement

Mine is 1300 for a 4 bedroom, 3 bath and a bonus room

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Prismsblade posted...

In 2018 I rented a 650$ 1BR apartment in El Paso tx. Could have gone sub 600$ even if they had any studios available when I applied.

Actually, El Paso is stupid low cost in general and has everything you'd expect in a city. Idk why its slept on so hard.

Because it's Texas lol

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The crappy one-bedroom apartments in crappy complexes want $800 minimum in Ohio.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I make over double the minimum wage and living alone would be unsustainable, even if a landlord would allow me to rent without making triple the rent.

A lot of people are ignoring this too. My current apartment requires proof that the rent is not more than 30% of your monthly salary. You will be completely barred from some apartments even if you make "enough" to pay the rent but fail to meet this standard. This is even with roommates (mine requires everyone living in the apartment to meet this minimum separately).

JustMyOpinion posted...

You seem to be getting awfully worked up talking to an e-stranger. Simmer down, kid.

I'm still waiting.

Lukey_Bug posted...

Probably a tiny piece of shit. Mine is 1200 for a three bedroom 1 and a half bath. 3 floors with basement

Mine is $1580 for a 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom.

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JMO getting rekt ITT LMAO

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ExtremeLuchador posted...

The crappy one-bedroom apartments in crappy complexes want $800 minimum in Ohio.

Could always try those long term hotels you know where you have to stay by the month.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Could always try those long term hotels you know where you have to stay by the month.

depends on the hotel.... around here they charge as much as a 1 bedroom apartment on the lease but with less features.
in a scenario they do work but have to be desperate.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

There is cheap housing outside the cities

Too bad most people work in the cities. You know, where jobs actually are? Yeah you can live outside the city and still work there but having a longass commute sucks balls. Mine is 30 miles one way and even that is annoying.

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My 2br rent house was $550 a month,just paid $450 today for the month because of covid.April was free and last two months have been $250.

It helped that I was planning on moving in March when she was going to sell the house.Now that it's off the market they want me to stay lol.

I do feel bad for others situation though with high rent.I've been there and it sucks the life out of you.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

You'll be waiting quite a while then as judging by your first post you're not interested in a genuine conversation and aren't worth the time. We're done here, kid.

You just lost.

It's interesting how most people who read this headline come to the conclusion that wages must be low, and not that housing cost might be inflated.

To be clear, only 2% of the US workforce works for the minimum wage. Half of them are under 25 which means they are likely to be in college, have roommates or not live on their own at all. Got to put clickbait headlines in context.

To get a better idea of what the typical American is making you would want to look at median income. Then factor in our taxation system which is far more progressive than what you typically see in places like Europe and you find that only a few countries have higher incomes than the US does:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income#Median_equivalent_adult_income

We're comparable to places like Norway and Switzerland while a typical person in the UK or France makes 10k less than their American counterpart! Wages are very high in the US.

So income isn't the main reason why many in the US struggle with housing cost even when they have a decent paying job. The truth is we have a massive housing shortage here, and the biggest shortages are in the urban areas that are creating the most jobs:

https://i.imgur.com/xeQ4NTI.png
https://i.imgur.com/uBtolAV.jpg

You can blame our ridiculous zoning laws for that. Local governments in these cities are intentionally limiting the supply of housing, mainly because it benefits current homeowners.

JustMyOpinion posted...

No need to keep saying stupid things, kid.

Then stop saying stupid things.
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If you are an unskilled worker you probably shouldn't be living in the city paying for a place with no roommates. Just a thought.

Lebronwon posted...

and cannot afford a one-bedroom rental in 95% of U.S. counties, according to the National Low Income Housing Coalition

That's flat-out bullshit.

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Herodopus posted...

JMO don't you make 6 figures in nyc or something

why should anyone trust your perspective on this

also, this isn't accurate. someone well off making six figures wouldn't be having 100,000 e-arguments online on a gaming message board.

Zeus posted...

That's flat-out bullshit.

it's stating the rent must be 30% of their income. So, yes it is flat-out bullshit.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Wow, are you still mad about our conversation? Get over it, kid.

So you don't dispute my assessment, are you actually a NEET with no life? Put up or shut up.

The problem is the housing market. It needs to be regulated in pricing. Wages can go up and so can the housing market price.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Lol, you think I need to justify my life to you? What a delusional post.

in this topic in particular, yes absolutely. it is highly relevant in terms of whether we should take you seriously or not