Current Events > When did this ''fuck you, I got mine'' thinking become prevalent among Americans

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Like when was the turning point?
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Reagonomics

Just now, congrats

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the american revolution

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Since the dawn of human nature.

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When Baby Boomers turned about 21

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when you had to own land to be eligible to vote

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Atlas Shrugged

Ayn Rand had a small cultish following kinda like Freemasons in that it's a group of like minded people that got together to wax philosophy with each other.

Anyway a disturbingly large amount of people connected with that group are now in high places in politics and they've spread their Objectivism with their authority.

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Real answer: When consumerism and materialism really started to take off in the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.

Unchecked capitalism

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Real answer: When consumerism and materialism really started to take off in the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.

Real bad answer, maybe. Consumerism is older than that.

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When it was founded

AFrench2 posted...

Real bad answer, maybe. Consumerism is older than that.

No, American core values shifted very heavily from collectivist to individualist around this time.

Learn your history before posting.

Gonna need to provide a bit of evidence tc to just be singling out US citizens on this one.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

No, American core values shifted very heavily from collectivist to individualist around this time.

Learn your history before posting.

Learn what caused the Great Depression before posting about consumerrism and materialism running rampant in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1970.

Here, let me help you: It happened in 1929.

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Young children working endured some of the harshest conditions. Workdays would often be 10 to 14 hours with minimal breaks during the shift. Factories employing children were often very dangerous places leading to injuries and even deaths. Machinery often ran so quickly that little fingers, arms and legs could easily get caught. Beyond the equipment, the environment was a threat to children as well as factories put out fumes and toxins. When inhaled by children these most certainly could result in illness, chronic conditions or disease...

Reforming child labor laws and creating new laws that would enforce a minimum working age, prohibiting dangerous jobs and conditions and establishing maximum hours children could work was not a popular endeavor. It took several years and many attempts by Congress to pass national laws designed to improve working conditions and regulations relative to children in the workforce.

https://www.eiu.edu/eiutps/childhood.php

/theindusstrialrevolution


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AFrench2 posted...

Learn what caused the Great Depression before posting about consumerrism and materialism running rampant in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1970.

Here, let me help you: It happened in 1929.

Lmao, America was still very much a collectivist society up until after WWII. Hell, in the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 - 1920, it was considered very American and patriotic to wear a mask and prevent your neighbor from getting a disease.

defnotanth0ny posted...

Young children working endured some of the harshest conditions. Workdays would often be 10 to 14 hours with minimal breaks during the shift. Factories employing children were often very dangerous places leading to injuries and even deaths. Machinery often ran so quickly that little fingers, arms and legs could easily get caught. Beyond the equipment, the environment was a threat to children as well as factories put out fumes and toxins. When inhaled by children these most certainly could result in illness, chronic conditions or disease...

Reforming child labor laws and creating new laws that would enforce a minimum working age, prohibiting dangerous jobs and conditions and establishing maximum hours children could work was not a popular endeavor. It took several years and many attempts by Congress to pass national laws designed to improve working conditions and regulations relative to children in the workforce.

https://www.eiu.edu/eiutps/childhood.php

/theindusstrialrevolution

Uh... that doesn't seem to answer my question. But the guy who mentioned The Great Depression may have a point.
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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Lmao, America was still very much a collectivist society up until after WWII. Hell, in the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 - 1920, it was considered very American and patriotic to wear a mask and prevent your neighbor from getting a disease.

Have a good night.

The depression in the 1930s was caused by excess expansion of credit during the 1920s. This over-extension by banks caused an unnatural disequilibrium in the money markets that initially caused a boom then a bust. ... People withdrew money from banks, and banks went out of business.

Causes of the Great Depression Political Economy

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Reagan 80s

then ur hopeless

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Also, you're not a Mavericks fan. clkabuclosa OUT - bitch


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AFrench2 posted...

Have a good night.

The depression in the 1930s was caused by excess expansion of credit during the 1920s. This over-extension by banks caused an unnatural disequilibrium in the money markets that initially caused a boom then a bust. ... People withdrew money from banks, and banks went out of business.

Causes of the Great Depression Political Economy

Bro, no fucking shit consumerism existed and didn't have the checks and balance to prevent a depression. My point is individualism wasn't as rampant among society, add individualism on top of rampant consumerism that started to take place after WWII, and you have a fractured society that has lost the strong core family unit and connection to greater society as a whole.

Guys you already have your answer.

After WW2 much energy was spent on idealizing and idolizing private property to entrench anti communist beliefs. This hit a peak in 1957 with Ayn Rand and Objectivism. Objectivism is the "fuck you I got mine" and "every man for himself" philosophy. It is not capitalism nor is it any of the myriad political philosophies that existed between the founding if the country and the cold war.

In truth, the dominant philosophy for hundreds of years was "no man is an island"

"Fuck you I got mine" is extremely recent.


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Since 1776
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DoctorPiranha:

"Consumerism in the 1950's and 60's and 70's and 80's caused the fuck you attitude"
also
"Well bro, no shit consummerism existed and caused the depression in 1929"

AWFUL Mavericks fan

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defnotanth0ny posted...

when you had to own land to be eligible to vote

(this meant a honkey that more then likely have owned slaves)

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I said "When consumerism and materialism really started to take off"

A French - "I'm a coward who uses alt accounts"

I can play your game too

when baby boomers got greedy

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When we imported slaves.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

I said "When consumerism and materialism really started to take off"

A French - "I'm a coward who uses alt accounts"

I can play your game too

You make the 2011 fanbase look bad. Beat it.

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when did this feeling of entitlement thinking become prevalent?

like people who think they deserve free health care and education

i blame millennials
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Whenever boomers entered the workforce.

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AFrench2 posted...

I'm a coward who won't post under my main

Philoktetes posted...

when did this feeling of entitlement thinking become prevalent?

like people who think they deserve free health care and education

i blame millennials

"Why are people so entitled" says man who cries for hours when GameFAQs mods delete his posts.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Who is Don Nelson? I only became a Mavericks fan in 2011. I suck

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AFrench2 posted...

I'm a coward who won't post under my main

Neolibs

Tyranthraxus posted...

"Why are people so entitled" says man who cries for hours when GameFAQs mods delete his posts.

because the mods are unfair to me
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I'm dumb, what do you mean?

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AFrench2 posted...

Learn what caused the Great Depression before posting about consumerrism and materialism running rampant in 1950, 1960, 1970, and 1970.

Here, let me help you: It happened in 1929.

IMO modern american consumerism was largely formed by changing the way people advertised products/services, thanks to people like Edward Bernays starting around the 1930s. That was when they started shifting advertisements from purely "buy this because [benefits of the product]", and instead it became more psychological. Like how they managed to convince people that the type of car you own says something about your manhood.

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the great depression led to a lot of socialism like social security and the WPA
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averagejoel posted...

the american revolution

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Acting like the concept of rugged individualism wasn't a core part of american culture since 1776 is some next level revisionist history
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It's always been there to a degree but this recent strain is largely influenced by propaganda spread by billionaires like the Koch brothers and Dennis Prager.

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lol, apparently a LOT of people need to brush up on their native american history and the history of slavery. The way of thinking has been here before the country was even born

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I always thought it was one of the founding principles of the country.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

It's always been there to a degree but this recent strain is largely influenced by propaganda spread by billionaires like the Koch brothers and Dennis Prager.

People who, of course, inherited their wealth, basically don't do anything, and cause harm to the world in their worst moments. They're a lot like some of our Founding Fathers, and other millionaires and billionaires.

"Rugged individualism" has always been a euphemism for shoving your fat, baby powder smelling rich ass into people's face in order to be first in line, avoid responsibilities, and reap the rewards of other people's hard work. It implies that our civilization is just some wilderness that needs to be conquered, but of course, the wealthy and the privileged have made it illegal for anyone to take that to heart and use it against them. Convenient.

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