Current Events > Would you consider MLK Jr to be more liberal or conservative? What about Hitler?

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lydiaquayle
07/14/20 8:26:49 AM
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If you genuinely believe that these two major historical figures are on the same end of the political spectrum, please explain all of the ways where they are similar..

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averagejoel
07/14/20 8:44:20 AM
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MLK Jr was a socialist. socialism as an ideology is fundamentally different from both liberalism and conservatism.

Hitler was a fascist. fascism as an ideology is a form of extreme conservatism.


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Choco
07/14/20 8:49:16 AM
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ASithLord7
07/14/20 9:07:50 AM
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Choco posted...
what a dumb topic
I think hes making fun of people who say Nazis were leftists

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monkmith
07/14/20 9:09:54 AM
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ufoivy posted...
Fascism is just Socialism discovering scarcity is real.
dictatorships are just the ultimate form of conservatism....

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coh
07/14/20 9:10:22 AM
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Fascism is a form of socialism
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Squall28
07/14/20 9:12:54 AM
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ufoivy posted...
Fascism is just Socialism discovering scarcity is real.


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NinjaWarrior455
07/14/20 9:13:31 AM
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The way some people talk about MLK you would think he was a Reagan Republican

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ASithLord7
07/14/20 9:26:55 AM
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ufoivy posted...
MLK Jr. was a Socialist that threw the money donated to his causes away on cocaine and hookers. If everyone is going to be cancelled for not being perfect, MLK Jr. should not be exempt from those same ridiculous cancel every and all old things standards.
Not sure cocaine and hookers are quite the same as things like racism and sexual assault but keep trying

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Guide
07/14/20 9:34:16 AM
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ufoivy posted...
Cheating on his wife with multiple women and watching other men rape women is pretty fucking awful, but yeah, lets give him a pass because other things exist that are worse lol. Here is money for your cause, ooh, sorry, I wasted it on orgies and drugs.

Did he... not drastically improve lives for minorities throughout the entire nation?

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Lathissamus
07/14/20 9:35:04 AM
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Socialism is bad, I know that.

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YellowMustard69
07/14/20 9:36:26 AM
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The whole directional thing with political views doesn't really make sense anyway. You are what you are.
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Lathissamus
07/14/20 9:36:42 AM
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Guide posted...
Did he... not drastically improve lives for minorities throughout the entire nation?
His point is that cancel culture picks and chooses its victims. I'm sure he's not actually advocating for canceling MLK.

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Guide
07/14/20 9:36:54 AM
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YellowMustard69 posted...
The whole directional thing with political views doesn't really make sense anyway. You are what you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9

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Guide
07/14/20 9:39:52 AM
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Lathissamus posted...
His point is that cancel culture picks and chooses its victims. I'm sure he's not actually advocating for canceling MLK.

I'm not sure what you mean by "picks and chooses". Like, yes, any basis of thought put into action is a choice. I understand why someone would choose to cancel Epstein over MLKjr.

I think you mean to imply it is arbitrary, but you'll need some examples.

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TheMikh
07/14/20 9:41:18 AM
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itt: CE discovers the libertarian-authoritarian dimension

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Guide
07/14/20 9:42:03 AM
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ufoivy posted...
The same people that want Gandhi cancelled for not being perfect do not hold MLK Jr. to their same ridiculous standards.

Not sure who those people are. Do they hold enough power that I should care?

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lolife67
07/14/20 9:42:47 AM
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ufoivy posted...
The same people that want Gandhi cancelled for not being perfect do not hold MLK Jr. to their same ridiculous standards.
Why do you think people want to "cancel" Ghandi? Hint: It's not simply about being less than "perfect."
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Lathissamus
07/14/20 9:43:11 AM
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Guide posted...
I'm not sure what you mean by "picks and chooses". Like, yes, any basis of thought put into action is a choice. I understand why someone would choose to cancel Epstein over MLKjr.

I think you mean to imply it is arbitrary, but you'll need some examples.
I'm not implying anything. I'm telling you what he was actually saying in his posts. There is no implication anywhere. It's readily apparent what his point was, but for some reason you still needed it clarified.

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YellowMustard69
07/14/20 9:43:18 AM
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Guide posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9

I want people to terminate all thought on this matter since I've already solved it.
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Shablagoo
07/14/20 9:44:01 AM
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coh posted...
Fascism is a form of socialism

Explain this. (Just kidding lol, I know you cant.)

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Guide
07/14/20 9:47:36 AM
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Lathissamus posted...
I'm not implying anything. I'm telling you what he was actually saying in his posts. There is no implication anywhere. It's readily apparent what his point was, but for some reason you still needed it clarified.

The "pick and choose" is the vague part, which I spelled out so that you could clarify. I don't know if you understand "pick and choose" to mean "arbitrary", or something else.

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Squall28
07/14/20 9:48:15 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Explain this. (Just kidding lol, I know you cant.)

Do you know how a Grimer evolves into a Muk? Same way. Small shit becomes bigger shit.

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Guide
07/14/20 9:49:24 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Do you know how a Grimer evolves into a Muk? Same way. Small shit becomes bigger shit.

I bet you think this is a real explanation.

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TheMikh
07/14/20 9:52:52 AM
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ufoivy posted...
So the Mises Caucus?
i see what you did there, but that's not really what i had in mind

opposite ends of the libertarian-authoritarian spectrum with similar left-right alignment can be radically different ideologies

Shablagoo posted...
Explain this. (Just kidding lol, I know you cant.)
syndicalist roots

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coolboy11
07/14/20 9:56:09 AM
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i wonder if people will ever learn about the many others in the movement besides MLK Jr.

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NinjaWarrior455
07/14/20 9:59:34 AM
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coolboy11 posted...
i wonder if people will ever learn about the many others in the movement besides MLK Jr.
White America would never have that. Most of the other civil rights leaders were too radical for them to sanitize so they just ignored them or defamed them.

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TheMikh
07/14/20 10:00:17 AM
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ufoivy posted...
People only care about the first few years after slavery and the 1960s. Everything in between is immediately discarded and does not exist apparently.
you can blame public education for that

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DevsBro
07/14/20 10:00:25 AM
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Well this topic isn't gonna be here long.

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Shablagoo
07/14/20 10:05:29 AM
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Guide posted...
I bet you think this is a real explanation.

reminds me of Tim Pool vs. Sam Seder lmao

https://mobile.twitter.com/josenotajay/status/1185649787586170880

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sktgamer_13dude
07/14/20 10:06:48 AM
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coh posted...
Fascism is a form of socialism

Its right-wing socialism.
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Tyranthraxus
07/14/20 10:10:16 AM
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They are both conservative. The difference is Hitler was fascist and MLK Jr was not.

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Questionmarktarius
07/14/20 10:32:52 AM
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monkmith posted...
dictatorships are just the ultimate form of conservatism....
Dictatorships are just first-generation feudalism.
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Tyranthraxus
07/14/20 10:36:54 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Dictatorships are just first-generation feudalism.
First generation monarchy you mean. Feudalism implies a distribution of power among nobility.

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FortuneCookie
07/14/20 10:40:00 AM
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Dr. King was a liberal.
Hitler was a conservative.

The political lines of good and evil have been drawn. Thanks, TC, for simplifying everything for us.

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Questionmarktarius
07/14/20 10:42:16 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Feudalism implies a distribution of power among nobility.
Feudalism is just power derived from power. It invents "nobility" as an excuse for itself.
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Taharqa_
07/14/20 10:43:57 AM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
White America would never have that. Most of the other civil rights leaders were too radical for them to sanitize so they just ignored them or defamed them.

Or jailed them, exiled them, or killed them. The police literally executed a hit on Fred Hampton.

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8-bit_Biceps
07/14/20 10:45:46 AM
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monkmith posted...
dictatorships are just the ultimate form of conservatism....

I think fascism discovering billionaires and greed are real, and that collectivism is better than a rat race, is what you call the inevitable social democracy of tomorrow.
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TheMikh
07/14/20 10:47:59 AM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Or jailed them, exiled them, or killed them. The police literally executed a hit on Fred Hampton.
damn shame, his efforts to ending gang violence and racial divisions in chicago yielded phenomenal results

until the gang known as the daley police (with the help of cointelpro) brought a swift end to it

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averagejoel
07/14/20 10:48:49 AM
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ufoivy posted...
Fascism is just Socialism discovering scarcity is real.
incorrect.

Fascism is capitalism cranked up to 11

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Taharqa_
07/14/20 10:52:34 AM
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TheMikh posted...
damn shame, his efforts to ending gang violence and racial divisions in chicago yielded phenomenal results

until the gang known as the daley police (with the help of cointelpro) brought a swift end to it

Chicago would likely be a lot different had he lived, he was only 21 when he was killed. He was charismatic and black, Latino and even some white people began to come together under his message. That was the game changer right there, he was too "dangerous" to live.

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averagejoel
07/14/20 10:54:29 AM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Chicago would likely be a lot different had he lived, he was only 21 when he was killed. He was charismatic and black, Latino and even some white people began to come together under his message. That was the game changer right there, he was too "dangerous" to live.
the US as a whole would likely be a lot different if he had lived

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sktgamer_13dude
07/14/20 12:01:33 PM
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TheMikh posted...

damn shame, his efforts to ending gang violence and racial divisions in chicago yielded phenomenal results

until the gang known as the daley police (with the help of cointelpro) brought a swift end to it

Can't have black people thinking that they have rights and whatnot. Gotta put a stop to it.

jfc, fuck this country sometimes.
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