Current Events > South Africa leads the world; first nation to implement UBI

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https://twitter.com/scottsantens/status/1282702815085817856

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Let's see how this goes.

Hell yeah

Where's the free video games too

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first?
didn't Finland try that a couple years back?

or am i thinking of something else?

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REMercsChamp posted...

Hell yeah

Where's the free video games too

I know you're being your usual troll self but they can just use the ubi to buy video games. I know this makes you extremely angery

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Cool lets see how it goes

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ROBANN_88 posted...

or am i thinking of something else?

Canada tried in the 70s.

Nobody's really done a whole country all at once. It's always been pilot programs that didn't need to be sustainable.

edit: looks like Finland tried it more recently, same general results as Canada in the 70s.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47169549

I thought Saudi Arabia has some sort of system for UBI in place. Or was it some other oil rich ME country?
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so the government is subsidizing landlords and grocery store owners and encouraging them to raise their price? I can see no possible negatives from this scenario !!!!!

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Sad_Face posted...

I thought Saudi Arabia has some sort of system for UBI in place. Or was it some other oil rich ME country?

sounds like something the uae would do, at least for its emirati citizens

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TheMikh posted...

sounds like something the uae would do, at least for its emirati citizens

The problem with "social dividend" systems, is that they turn disastrous when whatever resource vanishes or tanks in the market.
This is what turned Venezuela into a hellscape, or at least accelerated the process.

Look at all these people wanting a handout.

Am I doing it right?

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IF this works it's going to be fun watching the right go "But... that doesn't count!" for years

IF this doesn't work it's going to be fun watching the left go "But... that doesn't count!" for years
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UnfairRepresent posted...

IF this works it's going to be fun watching the right go "But... that doesn't count!" for years

IF this doesn't work it's going to be fun watching the left go "But... that doesn't count!" for years

The left is already critical of UBI.

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ImAMarvel posted...

UBI is the future

It most certainly is not.
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DirkDiggles posted...

Am I doing it right?

Probably.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

The left is already critical of UBI.

do what now?

How many countries have tried Ubi at this point? I know Canada and Finland both had experiments that they canceled because the results weren't good.

It it will be interesting to see this implemented on a nationwide scale, but I'm not holding my breath for it to work any better than any of the other attempts.

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averagejoel posted...

so the government is subsidizing landlords and grocery store owners and encouraging them to raise their price? I can see no possible negatives from this scenario !!!!!

I mean you wouldn't see negatives or positives with stupid ideas like supply and demand suddenly don't apply to rent and groceries.

If someone overprices then no one would rent or buy from them.
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s0nicfan posted...

It it will be interesting to see this implemented on a nationwide scale, but I'm not holding my breath for it to work any better than any of the other attempts.

If anything, a nationwide program will definitively prove its ineffectiveness and unsustainability, at least until cries for a global UBI starts up.

Or, it'll actually work somehow, and show the rest of us how to get the math right.

Let's take a look and see what happens. I'm writing my prediction in an envelope, right here:
Massive wealth flight and even more poverty than before

Questionmarktarius posted...

The problem with "social dividend" systems, is that they turn disastrous when whatever resource vanishes or tanks in the market.
This is what turned Venezuela into a hellscape, or at least accelerated the process.

i'm not disputing this - subsidizes inactivity, after all; potentially disastrous multigenerational consequences as well

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UBI has never worked, so what are they doing that'll make it work this time?

Cinderforge posted...

UBI has never worked, so what are they doing that'll make it work this time?

Free Market Capitalism has never work yet there a bunch of its advocates in this topic.
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Slaya4 posted...

Cool lets see how it goes

Yeah, Im sure we will learn a lot from this, regardless of which way it goes.


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Questionmarktarius posted...

do what now?

For example.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/12/universal-basic-income-inequality-work

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Webmaster4531 posted...

Free Market Capitalism has never work yet there a bunch of its advocates in this topic.

yep

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

For example.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/12/universal-basic-income-inequality-work

That's a lot of words to say "UBI is bad because it allows capitalism to still exist" - or did I read that wrong?

UnfairRepresent posted...

IF this works it's going to be fun watching the right go "But... that doesn't count!" for years

IF this doesn't work it's going to be fun watching the left go "But... that doesn't count!" for years

UBI isnt really a left vs right issue. You get people attacking or defending it from both right and left viewpoints.
You get people on the right who think that if you are going to have a welfare state, then getting rid of all existing programs and implementing UBI is the way it should be done due to greatly reduced administrative costs and a streamlined bureaucracy. People on the left who dislike it tend to do so because they are worried that would happen.


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Webmaster4531 posted...

I mean you wouldn't see negatives or positives with stupid ideas like supply and demand suddenly don't apply to rent and groceries.

If someone overprices then no one would rent or buy from them.

if they have a choice, then you're right. but that isn't always the case. monopolies exist. food deserts exist. artificial scarcity exists.

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uwnim posted...

UBI isnt really a left vs right issue. You get people attacking or defending it from both right and left viewpoints.
You get people on the right who think that if you are going to have a welfare state, then getting rid of all existing programs and implementing UBI is the way it should be done due to greatly reduced administrative costs and a streamlined bureaucracy. People on the left who dislike it tend to do so because they are worried that would happen.

Which has really been the fundamental flaw of Ubi implementations to date. When you create a new safety net that still requires all of your old safety nets you haven't actually fixed anything, you just dumped a bunch of money on people who, historically, don't use it the way it's "designed" to work.

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uwnim posted...

UBI isnt really a left vs right issue. You get people attacking or defending it from both right and left viewpoints.
You get people on the right who think that if you are going to have a welfare state, then getting rid of all existing programs and implementing UBI is the way it should be done due to greatly reduced administrative costs and a streamlined bureaucracy. People on the left who dislike it tend to do so because they are worried that would happen.

UBI is very much a neoliberal solution to problems caused by capitalism. there isn't an actual left-wing case for it outside of like, potential temporary harm reduction.

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UBI without the free video games is hardly a UBI at all

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REMercsChamp posted...

Hell yeah

Where's the free video games too

Gamers left out in the cold as usual. We are the most oppressed minority in the world.

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