Current Events > What are the big arguments against tipping in the US?

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ZMythos 07/13/20 12:58:46 PM #1:	It's my understanding that the law requires that companies/businesses make up the difference in wages if a tipped employee earns below the state's minimum wage. So servers will make at least minimum wage in the worst case, and potentially far above it in better cases. I don't care much about the price of the food I'm eating or the drinks I'm served, so if tipping culture suddenly ended and prices rose I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I just haven't heard a compelling reason against tipping practices in the US. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:942054457] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>It's my understanding that the law requires that companies/businesses make up the difference in wages if a tipped employee earns below the state's minimum wage. So servers will make at least minimum wage in the worst case, and potentially far above it in better cases. I don't care much about the price of the food I'm eating or the drinks I'm served, so if tipping culture suddenly ended and prices rose I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I just haven't heard a compelling reason against tipping practices in the US. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 07/13/20 1:00:10 PM #2:	Service industry employees are lazy and don't deserve any extra money. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:942054513] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Service industry employees are lazy and don't deserve any extra money. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 07/13/20 1:00:40 PM #3:	"I don't want to pay anymore than the bare minimum for this service." That's it. That's the only argument. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:942054538] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>"I don't want to pay anymore than the bare minimum for this service." That's it. That's the only argument. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/13/20 1:01:16 PM #4:	A good old fashioned CE tipping topic --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:942054559] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>A good old fashioned CE tipping topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pepper2012 07/13/20 1:01:21 PM #5:	Why do I need to pay you extra to do your job --- None of this is good, Vector. That's why it's called "a Sonic game." - Knuckles the Echidna <cite>pepper2012 posted [p:942054562] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Why do I need to pay you extra to do your job </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 07/13/20 1:02:25 PM #6:	Because it's % based tipping, and you get the same level of "service" whether you get chicken strips or a New York strip. People get mad because they feel entitled to a % of the money you spend on eating out. The entire concept is inherently greedy. --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:942054609] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Because it's % based tipping, and you get the same level of "service" whether you get chicken strips or a New York strip. People get mad because they feel entitled to a % of the money you spend on eating out. The entire concept is inherently greedy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/20 1:02:34 PM #7:	An employee who has to be 'topped up' to due to lack of tips, is not likely to be an employee for very long. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942054615] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>An employee who has to be 'topped up' to due to lack of tips, is not likely to be an employee for very long. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroX91 07/13/20 1:05:01 PM #8:	Because servers dont make a living wage --- 2 to the 1 from the 1 to the 3, a fitting end for a monster like me. <cite>ZeroX91 posted [p:942054706] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Because servers dont make a living wage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 07/13/20 1:09:22 PM #9:	Perascamin posted... Because it's % based tipping, and you get the same level of "service" whether you get chicken strips or a New York strip. I guess that's true. Some portion of the tip should go to the kitchen staff, in my opinion. However restaurants that serve more expensive food generally have better service, no? More attentive waiters/waitresses, etc? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:942054875] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Perascamin posted... </cite> <quote>Because it's % based tipping, and you get the same level of "service" whether you get chicken strips or a New York strip.</quote>I guess that's true. Some portion of the tip should go to the kitchen staff, in my opinion. However restaurants that serve more expensive food generally have better service, no? More attentive waiters/waitresses, etc? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 07/13/20 1:11:23 PM #10:	justaguy3492 posted... "I don't want to pay anymore than the bare minimum for this service." That's it. That's the only argument. That's ridiculous. Here's a reason that isn't what you say - I think that a business that hires somebody should pay their wages. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:942054945] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>justaguy3492 posted... </cite> <quote>"I don't want to pay anymore than the bare minimum for this service." That's it. That's the only argument.</quote>That's ridiculous. Here's a reason that isn't what you say - I think that a business that hires somebody should pay their wages. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yemmy 07/13/20 1:11:45 PM #11:	Mr. Pink convinced me --- p226 <cite>yemmy posted [p:942054959] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Mr. Pink convinced me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 07/13/20 1:12:14 PM #12:	ZeroX91 posted... Because servers dont make a living wage Well I agree that all minimum wages should be a living wage, but that doesn't seem to be an issue with tipping specifically because, at the very least, servers would make the same as any other minimum wage job. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:942054975] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>ZeroX91 posted... </cite> <quote>Because servers dont make a living wage</quote>Well I agree that all minimum wages should be a living wage, but that doesn't seem to be an issue with tipping specifically because, at the very least, servers would make the same as any other minimum wage job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 07/13/20 1:12:42 PM #13:	ZMythos posted... It's my understanding that the law requires that companies/businesses make up the difference in wages if a tipped employee earns below the state's minimum wage. So servers will make at least minimum wage in the worst case, and potentially far above it in better cases. Yeah, they "make up" the difference by putting it towards your taxes. That's not money that a server ever sees. It's also taken over an aggregate, not any individual given day. So if you made like $7/hr over a pay period of two weeks, the $.25/hr difference would be made up by going towards your taxes. And then it would be $7/hr minus whatever you're tipping other workers out for. Tipping in the US exists so that restaurants can overstaff the floor. This is because they can't accurately predict their need for labor at any given hour. --- I can't leave without my buddy, Superfly. <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:942054996] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>It's my understanding that the law requires that companies/businesses make up the difference in wages if a tipped employee earns below the state's minimum wage. So servers will make at least minimum wage in the worst case, and potentially far above it in better cases. </quote> Yeah, they "make up" the difference by putting it towards your taxes. That's not money that a server ever sees. It's also taken over an aggregate, not any individual given day. So if you made like $7/hr over a pay period of two weeks, the $.25/hr difference would be made up by going towards your taxes. And then it would be $7/hr minus whatever you're tipping other workers out for. Tipping in the US exists so that restaurants can overstaff the floor. This is because they can't accurately predict their need for labor at any given hour. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 07/13/20 1:13:32 PM #14:	ZMythos posted... I guess that's true. Some portion of the tip should go to the kitchen staff, in my opinion. However restaurants that serve more expensive food generally have better service, no? More attentive waiters/waitresses, etc? It often does, and they generally do. --- I can't leave without my buddy, Superfly. <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:942055025] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>I guess that's true. Some portion of the tip should go to the kitchen staff, in my opinion. However restaurants that serve more expensive food generally have better service, no? More attentive waiters/waitresses, etc?</quote> It often does, and they generally do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/13/20 1:13:46 PM #15:	Same as for not wearing a mask. Just a failure to understand how the system works, a compulsive need to bend rules whenever possible and a giant middle finger toward the entire world. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:942055033] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Same as for not wearing a mask. Just a failure to understand how the system works, a compulsive need to bend rules whenever possible and a giant middle finger toward the entire world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 07/13/20 1:13:50 PM #16:	I wouldn't tip my cashier I wouldn't tip my waiter --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:942055036] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't tip my cashier I wouldn't tip my waiter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 07/13/20 1:17:07 PM #17:	EnragedSlith posted... It's also taken over an aggregate, not any individual given day. Is this per person or across the entire staff? --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:942055155] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>EnragedSlith posted... </cite> <quote>It's also taken over an aggregate, not any individual given day.</quote>Is this per person or across the entire staff? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 07/13/20 1:20:17 PM #18:	It comes down to greedy employers. People used to give tips as gratitude, but employers didn't like seeing people make their wage and then some. So they took that gratitude and made it damn near compulsory. Otherwise "our employees aren't get paid properly" How about you just fucking pay them a proper wage? --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:942055275] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>It comes down to greedy employers. People used to give tips as gratitude, but employers didn't like seeing people make their wage and then some. So they took that gratitude and made it damn near compulsory. Otherwise "our employees aren't get paid properly" How about you just fucking pay them a proper wage? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/20 1:24:28 PM #19:	EnragedSlith posted... Yeah, they "make up" the difference by putting it towards your taxes. That's not money that a server ever sees What does that mean? --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:942055448] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>EnragedSlith posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, they "make up" the difference by putting it towards your taxes. That's not money that a server ever sees</quote> What does that mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/20 1:27:05 PM #20:	ZeroX91 posted... Because servers dont make a living wage If the pay was truly awful, there wouldn't be servers. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942055552] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>ZeroX91 posted... </cite> <quote>Because servers dont make a living wage</quote>If the pay was truly awful, there wouldn't be servers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZeroX91 07/13/20 2:46:17 PM #21:	Questionmarktarius posted... If the pay was truly awful, there wouldn't be servers. Not how that works man --- 2 to the 1 from the 1 to the 3, a fitting end for a monster like me. <cite>ZeroX91 posted [p:942058711] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>If the pay was truly awful, there wouldn't be servers.</quote>Not how that works man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 2:48:21 PM #22:	This has already been explained. Good luck continuing to get shifts if you're going to your manager and asking them to fill in the gap. They'll simply give you shit shifts until you quit. --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942058790] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>This has already been explained. Good luck continuing to get shifts if you're going to your manager and asking them to fill in the gap. They'll simply give you shit shifts until you quit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BudDupree48 07/13/20 2:48:41 PM #23:	cows are heavy --- BANG BANG STEELER GANG <cite>BudDupree48 posted [p:942058811] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>cows are heavy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/20 2:49:29 PM #24:	BudDupree48 posted... cows are heavy That's why you use a long pole, or 2x4. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942058840] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>BudDupree48 posted... </cite> <quote>cows are heavy</quote>That's why you use a long pole, or 2x4. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 07/13/20 2:53:55 PM #25:	I always leave a tip unless the service is particularly bad (and even then I don't forget so much as leave a very small tip so they know I didn't just forget). My tips are the primary wage for the worker and trying to make any sort of statement against tipping culture by stiffing a waiter isn't making a statement, it's just being an asshole. That said I would much prefer a tip-optional culture where you aren't expected to tip, employees are paid appropriately, and the food is priced accordingly. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:942059031] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>I always leave a tip unless the service is particularly bad (and even then I don't forget so much as leave a very small tip so they know I didn't just forget). My tips are the primary wage for the worker and trying to make any sort of statement against tipping culture by stiffing a waiter isn't making a statement, it's just being an asshole. That said I would much prefer a tip-optional culture where you aren't expected to tip, employees are paid appropriately, and the food is priced accordingly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/20 2:55:19 PM #26:	Gheb posted... That said I would much prefer a tip-optional culture where you aren't expected to tip, employees are paid appropriately, and the food is priced accordingly. That's called "counter service". <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:942059081] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Gheb posted... </cite> <quote>That said I would much prefer a tip-optional culture where you aren't expected to tip, employees are paid appropriately, and the food is priced accordingly.</quote>That's called "counter service". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 07/13/20 2:57:25 PM #27:	yemmy posted... Mr. Pink convinced me Come on you. Cough up a buck you cheap bastard. I payed for your goddamn breakfast. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:942059167] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>yemmy posted... </cite> <quote>Mr. Pink convinced me</quote> Come on you. Cough up a buck you cheap bastard. I payed for your goddamn breakfast. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 07/13/20 4:37:33 PM #28:	Balrog0 posted... What does that mean? Money is withheld from your paycheck towards your taxes. The $2.13/hr most servers make as a base wage isnt something you get in an envelope or direct deposit. The minimum wage theyre theoretically supposed to guarantee is no different. --- I can't leave without my buddy, Superfly. <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:942063257] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>What does that mean?</quote> Money is withheld from your paycheck towards your taxes. The $2.13/hr most servers make as a base wage isnt something you get in an envelope or direct deposit. The minimum wage theyre theoretically supposed to guarantee is no different. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 07/13/20 4:38:51 PM #29:	Businesses should already be paying all staff livable wage. Tipping is just dumb --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:942063300] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Businesses should already be paying all staff livable wage. Tipping is just dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/20 4:44:00 PM #30:	EnragedSlith posted... Money is withheld from your paycheck towards your taxes. The $2.13/hr most servers make as a base wage isnt something you get in an envelope or direct deposit. The minimum wage theyre theoretically supposed to guarantee is no different. I'm not following at all. You personally control your withholding. Are you talking about payroll taxes? Either way I'm not understanding how you're literally seeing nothing from $7.25/hour unless your income otherwise is pretty darn high. And in this case it happens by pay period so I really don't understand how you're not seeing it in your paycheck --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:942063529] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>EnragedSlith posted... </cite> <quote>Money is withheld from your paycheck towards your taxes. The $2.13/hr most servers make as a base wage isnt something you get in an envelope or direct deposit. The minimum wage theyre theoretically supposed to guarantee is no different.</quote> I'm not following at all. You personally control your withholding. Are you talking about payroll taxes? Either way I'm not understanding how you're literally seeing nothing from $7.25/hour unless your income otherwise is pretty darn high. And in this case it happens by pay period so I really don't understand how you're not seeing it in your paycheck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 07/13/20 4:46:37 PM #31:	Rika_Furude posted... Businesses should already be paying all staff livable wage. Tipping is just dumb Agreed. I'd like to pay what it's actually worth, not have to guess, have employees paid fairly, and have a tip serve its intended purpose of above-and-beyond payment for above-and-beyond service. --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:942063628] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>Businesses should already be paying all staff livable wage. Tipping is just dumb</quote>Agreed. I'd like to pay what it's actually worth, not have to guess, have employees paid fairly, and have a tip serve its intended purpose of above-and-beyond payment for above-and-beyond service. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/20 4:47:04 PM #32:	Like in your example I understand, the extra 25 an hour gets eaten up by taxes. But that's less true the farther you are from minimum wage and in either case it's weird to bring up taxes because that 25 cents in taxes is still 25 cents in taxes that didn't come out of the rest of the $7/hr I'm not arguing against tipping I'm just really trying to understand --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:942063648] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Like in your example I understand, the extra 25 an hour gets eaten up by taxes. But that's less true the farther you are from minimum wage and in either case it's weird to bring up taxes because that 25 cents in taxes is still 25 cents in taxes that didn't come out of the rest of the $7/hr I'm not arguing against tipping I'm just really trying to understand </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/13/20 4:50:00 PM #33:	I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_> --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:942063766] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 4:53:52 PM #34:	Do people really think restaurant owners guarantee their employees average minimum wage? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942063920] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Do people really think restaurant owners guarantee their employees average minimum wage? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 4:54:41 PM #35:	Damn_Underscore posted... I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_> Why is that exactly? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942063954] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_></quote> Why is that exactly? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/20 4:55:15 PM #36:	BeantownHero posted... Do people really think restaurant owners guarantee their employees average minimum wage? Break it down for me --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:942063982] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>Do people really think restaurant owners guarantee their employees average minimum wage?</quote> Break it down for me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/13/20 4:55:39 PM #37:	Because they are doing most of the work and are the reason why I am going to that restaurant in the first place --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:942063997] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Because they are doing most of the work and are the reason why I am going to that restaurant in the first place </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 4:56:51 PM #38:	Damn_Underscore posted... Because they are doing most of the work and are the reason why I am going to that restaurant in the first place Besides cooking and maintaining the kitchen, what else does the back of the house do? --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942064040] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>Because they are doing most of the work and are the reason why I am going to that restaurant in the first place</quote> Besides cooking and maintaining the kitchen, what else does the back of the house do? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 07/13/20 4:56:53 PM #39:	Maybe get a better job. --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:942064041] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Maybe get a better job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/13/20 4:59:34 PM #40:	BeantownHero posted... Besides cooking and maintaining the kitchen um... you realize how important this is right? --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:942064152] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>Besides cooking and maintaining the kitchen</quote> um... you realize how important this is right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 5:00:22 PM #41:	Balrog0 posted... Break it down for me The service industry is notorious for simply giving a server less shifts when they request the restaurant make it up on the back end. It's why servers dont do it. My mother worked at a very famous place in Boston and recalled the owner having a all employee meeting essentially berating them and threatening whoever ratted him out to the Better Business Bureau or whoever handles that Most servers who've done it long enough will tell you about days its literally cost them money to go into work, but they know complainig about it only hurts them in the long end, hence the high turn over in the industry --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942064189] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Break it down for me</quote> The service industry is notorious for simply giving a server less shifts when they request the restaurant make it up on the back end. It's why servers dont do it. My mother worked at a very famous place in Boston and recalled the owner having a all employee meeting essentially berating them and threatening whoever ratted him out to the Better Business Bureau or whoever handles that Most servers who've done it long enough will tell you about days its literally cost them money to go into work, but they know complainig about it only hurts them in the long end, hence the high turn over in the industry </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 07/13/20 5:00:42 PM #42:	It's often interesting seeing what side people fall on with the tipping debate. You see a lot of people arguing that tips should be eliminated and wait staff given higher wages, but more often than not I see wait staff arguing against that change because a good waiter or waitress in a nice restaurant is pulling way more an hour than any restaurant would ever pay them. It's this weird case of good intentions with bad results. Eliminating tipping would result in a giant pay cut for most people across the country. The only people that would benefit are the bad employees and it would probably result in a price hike for consumers as well. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:942064206] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>It's often interesting seeing what side people fall on with the tipping debate. You see a lot of people arguing that tips should be eliminated and wait staff given higher wages, but more often than not I see wait staff arguing against that change because a good waiter or waitress in a nice restaurant is pulling way more an hour than any restaurant would ever pay them. It's this weird case of good intentions with bad results. Eliminating tipping would result in a giant pay cut for most people across the country. The only people that would benefit are the bad employees and it would probably result in a price hike for consumers as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 07/13/20 5:00:59 PM #43:	BudDupree48 posted... cows are heavy Gotta get a running start dude --- Common sense is the most uncommon thing in the world-some dude. <cite>Smackems posted [p:942064216] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>BudDupree48 posted... </cite> <quote>cows are heavy</quote>Gotta get a running start dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 07/13/20 5:01:25 PM #44:	Lairen posted... Maybe get a better job. So who's going to do that one? --- ~Drewnami~ A beacon of Light from a burning screen. <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:942064235] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe get a better job.</quote>So who's going to do that one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 07/13/20 5:02:44 PM #45:	Damn_Underscore posted... um... you realize how important this is right? of course, its just by no means "90 percent" important. You could have Gordon ramsey working the line and its meaningless if the Front of the house doesnt have its shit together. Coordinating service, proper seating, attention to detail like allergies, a proper ambience etc. cooks get to focus on cooking and little else --- nothing is a greater tell of an awful human than using "social justice warrior" as a pejorative. without exception.- Bomani Jones <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:942064288] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote> um... you realize how important this is right?</quote> of course, its just by no means "90 percent" important. You could have Gordon ramsey working the line and its meaningless if the Front of the house doesnt have its shit together. Coordinating service, proper seating, attention to detail like allergies, a proper ambience etc. cooks get to focus on cooking and little else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
onedarksoul 07/13/20 5:02:56 PM #46:	The most I will tip is $5, unless I'm at a top-shelf restaurant. --- Finish a game? Add it to our list! Beat 1,000 games: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/78785005 <cite>onedarksoul posted [p:942064297] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>The most I will tip is $5, unless I'm at a top-shelf restaurant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX91 07/13/20 10:54:14 PM #48:	Damn_Underscore posted... I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_> Dishwashers do wwwaaaayyy more than you think, when i started out the had me on the grill, in the storeroom, and cleaning the entire damn building. Cooks also have more help than you think the shift managers and storeroom clerks help with the cooking....glad im not a dishwasher anymore shit was hell --- 2 to the 1 from the 1 to the 3, a fitting end for a monster like me. <cite>ZeroX91 posted [p:942078200] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite> <quote>I think the vast majority of tips should go to the kitchen staff I would really like to leave a tip with the explicit instructions "90% of this goes to the kitchen staff, 5% to the waiting staff, 4% to the dishwashers, and 1% to the bussers" >_></quote>Dishwashers do wwwaaaayyy more than you think, when i started out the had me on the grill, in the storeroom, and cleaning the entire damn building. Cooks also have more help than you think the shift managers and storeroom clerks help with the cooking....glad im not a dishwasher anymore shit was hell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 07/13/20 10:56:46 PM #49:	It's racist: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361 <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:942078296] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>It's racist: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 07/13/20 10:57:24 PM #50:	Captain_Qwark posted... Servers deserve minimum Cooks deserve the tips Partially true imo. The minimum should be way higher than it is. Like by a factor of 3 And cooks deserve tips as well but to what extent its hard to say. They should be paid way above minimum wage though --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:942078321] in What are t... [t:78843880]...</cite> <quote>Captain_Qwark posted... </cite> <quote>Servers deserve minimum Cooks deserve the tips</quote> Partially true imo. The minimum should be way higher than it is. Like by a factor of 3 And cooks deserve tips as well but to what extent its hard to say. They should be paid way above minimum wage though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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