Current Events > I stlil don't know how dangerous the fucking covid is?

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From the start nothing has been clear as experts were still trying to figure it out.

Now I feel like it truly only is dangerous for the elderly and immune weakened people. AFAIK stats keep showing the elderly are the majority of the deaths, kids are mostly unaffected, etc.

But the anxious, leftist people in my fb keep posting articles about how people who don't want to wear masks are ASSHOLES who want to kill the ELDERLY. Yet they also love posting articles about "this [non-elderly] guy doubted the DANGER of the CORONAVIRUS, got infected and DIED" and then you look at the article and it was an obese diabetic guy. It's like they WANT to be scared, they WANT to be the clever people who knew to watch out for the danger, but the facts don't seem to align?

Then the other extreme, right-ey people think this is all a big joke and the govt is just fucking around. They don't even wanna wear masks if all it does is save old people. Admittedly our government tried to pass extremely shady laws while everybody was isolating and most of the parliament couldn't even vote.

I just want the truth, I don't care which it is. IS the virus fucking dangerous to anybody but the weak? What to do from there is another discussion entirely, but I need to know if my anxious friends are over-stressing about this

Me personally, I don't think we should sacrifice the weak.
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Antifar posted...

Me personally, I don't think we should sacrifice the weak.

yes same but that's another discussion. And despite that being a topic people still think it's dangerous to EVERYONE. I want to clarify if that's true

It can prevent you from being able to breathe. That's why people end up on ventilators. Any age is susceptible.

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REMercsChamp posted...

It can prevent you from being able to breathe. That's why people end up on ventilators. Any age is susceptible.

okay, thanks.

While it isn't dangerous to everyone it is to some the mask is meant to protect those who are vulnerable.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Its too soon to know any long term effects

i seen what happens to the victim's of the virus and i know it's some bad shit... don't want to play around with the virus having "covid parties" doing irresponsible shit etc. even my painful foot agrees.

some of the effects: breathing at 25/50% lung capacity. loss of taste/smell. even death for the unfortunate.
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theres pretty clear guidelines on those who are at risk...

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They just throwin people on ventilators and leavin em on it.

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Even if you don't die, doesn't it leave some pretty bad lung damage that won't fully heal for years? That sounds like it can have some pretty bad consequences later down the line if you get some other bad sickness that messes with your lungs or something

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BuckVanHammer posted...

theres pretty clear guidelines on those who are at risk...

which are changing since the current wave of new infections are primarily the "healthy young adults" that thought they were immune last month...

they might be less likely to die. but emerging data suggests they're likely to come away with long term issues. heart and other vascular damage, brain damage, hell it even seems like its attacking some patients pancreas and causing type 1 diabetes...

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Its highly dangerous to the elderly, immunocompromised or those with existing serious persisting or coexisting issues such as kidney failure or heart disease, dangerous to the middle aged, somewhat dangerous to young adults and minimally dangerous to children. This is on average based mostly on death rates. Due to the nature of spread in many places taking place largely in elder care facilities and incomplete data/knowledge of the disease this may not be fully representative but its generally somewhat true for most infectious disease as the immune system tends to decline with age.

Even minimally dangerous can still result in occasional fatalities and its currently largely unknown what long term health issues may result and the extent/liklelihood of the,(Organ damage to various organs, prolonged possibly permanent loss of smell, and decreased lung capacity have been reported by some survivors) so its best for even children and young adults to take precautions especially as someone young who gets it mild may pass it to someone older or compromised who cant handle it as well.

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It's dangerous, contagious, and still somewhat poorly understood. The risk of complications isn't particularly high, but they're significant enough that hospitals are being overwhelmed with cases. It would probably be the most dangerous virus that you'll have been exposed to.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Its too soon to know any long term effects but we do know that an absolute fuckload of people are dying.

Numbers were fucked around with though giving fuel to the ... non-believers.

Things like, deaths from all causes being mixed in the numbers of COVID deaths, because the people died of other causes but had the virus at the time?

Here they said Montreal was a gigantic contaminated area, but it turns out most of those are from poorly maintained public healthcare old people housings

stlil
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We all hate that it's politicized and both sides are just using whatever information makes them look good. But one side has way more obviously selfish goals and blatant ignorance

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If young people don't wear masks it is because of psychological dysfunction because it is obvious there can be major problems when they don't and they are not alone with debatable beliefs.

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OwlRammer posted...

Even if you don't die, doesn't it leave some pretty bad lung damage that won't fully heal for years? That sounds like it can have some pretty bad consequences later down the line if you get some other bad sickness that messes with your lungs or something

I saw something about that like 3 months ago then never again. It was not mentioned on my government's health website about the virus last I checked

I was still careful because I didn't wanna risk it but yeah. Nothing about this virus has been clear from the beginning

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

I saw something about that like 3 months ago then never again. It was not mentioned on my government's health website about the virus last I checked

I was still careful because I didn't wanna risk it but yeah. Nothing about this virus has been clear from the beginning

I still think you're being kind of hard-headed about some stuff. But it is also strange to me how no one would drive that talking point, if it really was having damaging effects to a lot of people after getting over the main sickness. Maybe I'm ignorant, and this is happening out of my line of sight.

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https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/doi/10.1093/brain/awaa240/5868408?searchresult=1

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/health/coronavirus-brain-damage-study-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

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Simply "reported cases of young people not dying" from something doesn't make it safe. Many healthy young people still require hospital stays and left with lung/brain damage afterward, or at least stay home several days off work (where they can still die from it undiagnosed so not counted in any death tolls). With how many Americans literally cannot afford a hospital trip or time off work, it just means they'd be working and infecting any coworkers and customers with a virus that can be physically/financially damaging and/or deadly to millions.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

I still think you're being kind of hard-headed about some stuff. But it is also strange to me how no one would drive that talking point, if it really was having damaging effects to a lot of people after getting over the main sickness. Maybe I'm ignorant, and this is happening out of my line of sight.

I want to know the answers to the ... non-believers's arguments. If I don't know what to answer them when they make arguments then it makes me doubt what I already know. so I'm pushing the discussion to get answers. This is not being hard-headed. It's exactly the opposite.

"Cmon dude" "people who don't wear masks are assholes" and other common emotional reactions are not arguments and do not help the cause. I know nuances are hard but I'm just trying to get more information. If people can't deal with a neutral point of view questioning things with an open mind and trying to get the real information then they are the one with a problem

There are confirmed long term damage to your lungs and even your brain. A guy supposedly lost 8% of his lung functions permanently and is in his early 20's. Another guy in his 20's showed 0 signs of danger and died overnight due to a youthful body responding too quickly.

COVID-19 isn't like a common cold or anything. It's a plague that you almost have to go to the hospital for. If you think about it, there aren't that many things you can catch nearly as easily that you absolutely need to go to the hospital for.

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Raikuro posted...

Simply "reported cases of young people not dying" from something doesn't make it safe. Many healthy young people still require hospital stays and left with lung/brain damage afterward, or at least stay home several days off work (where they can still die from it undiagnosed so not counted in any death tolls). With how many Americans literally cannot afford a hospital trip or time off work, it just means they'd be working and infecting any coworkers and customers with a virus that can be physically/financially damaging and/or deadly to millions.

I see. I just don't receive much information about those "young people hospitalized". Not here, anyway

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

I want to know the answers to the ... non-believers's arguments. If I don't know what to answer them when they make arguments then it makes me doubt what I already know. so I'm pushing the discussion to get answers. This is not being hard-headed. It's exactly the opposite.

"Cmon dude" "people who don't wear masks are assholes" and other common emotional reactions are not arguments and do not help the cause. I know nuances are hard but I'm just trying to get more information. If people can't deal with a neutral point of view questioning things with an open mind and trying to get the real information then they are the one with a problem

The non-believers don't really have an argument. There isn't really an actual evidence to the contrary because it can easily be confirmed that not all people who caught the disease came out of it without permanent damage to their body.

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Cartwheel_Kick posted...

I want to know the answers to the ... non-believers's arguments. If I don't know what to answer them when they make arguments then it makes me doubt what I already know. so I'm pushing the discussion to get answers. This is not being hard-headed. It's exactly the opposite.

"Cmon dude" "people who don't wear masks are assholes" and other common emotional reactions are not arguments and do not help the cause. I know nuances are hard but I'm just trying to get more information. If people can't deal with a neutral point of view questioning things with an open mind and trying to get the real information then they are the one with a problem

The impetus is on assholes to not be assholes, not non-assholes to teach them how to not be assholes

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legendarylemur posted...

There are confirmed long term damage to your lungs and even your brain. A guy supposedly lost 8% of his lung functions permanently and is in his early 20's. Another guy in his 20's showed 0 signs of danger and died overnight due to a youthful body responding too quickly.

COVID-19 isn't like a common cold or anything. It's a plague that you almost have to go to the hospital for. If you think about it, there aren't that many things you can catch nearly as easily that you absolutely need to go to the hospital for.

Damn. Here there was a lot of info about people having gotten through it aymptomatically and never having known that they caught it :/ It's been confusing

Well, an acquaintance of mine died from it about 3 weeks ago.

He was:

A non smoker
Non drinker
35 years old
Guy with no Diabetes, Hypertension or any other pre-existing conditions

Lasted less than a week from the moment he first developed symptoms.

So my take on it is sure, old people are more susceptible to getting it worse, but ANYONE can fucking die tragically from it. It doesn't matter if you're in "perfect health" like so many dumbfucks think they are around these boards.

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HagenEx posted...

Well, an acquaintance of mine died from it about 3 weeks ago.

He was:

A non smoker
Non drinker
35 years old
Guy with no Diabetes, Hypertension or any other pre-existing conditions

Lasted less than a week from the moment he first developed symptoms.

So my take on it is sure, old people are more susceptible to getting it worse, but ANYONE can fucking die tragically from it. It doesn't matter if you're in "perfect health" like so many dumbfucks think they are around these boards.

damn. that is scary

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

damn. that is scary

It is. And even more so for me, my next door neighbor is currently in isolation, so this damn virus is in the vicinity. I mean the dude I mentioned was an athlete, competed in most pro softball tournaments in my state. He was one of those people that follow diets, and go to the gym daily and stuff.

I admit I was taking it lightly until a couple of weeks ago, not wearing mask and shit, but now when I gotta do my errands, I go with the whole thing. Gloves, mask and everything.

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HagenEx posted...

It is. And even more so for me, my next door neighbor is currently in isolation, so this damn virus is in the vicinity. I mean the dude I mentioned was an athlete, competed in most pro softball tournaments in my state. He was one of those people that follow diets, and go to the gym daily and stuff.

I admit I was taking it lightly until a couple of weeks ago, not wearing mask and shit, but now when I gotta do my errands, I go with the whole thing. Gloves, mask and everything.

Any idea how he got it? What state is this?

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Every 1 in 2395 americans have died from it so far.

Wearing a mask, social distancing, and avoiding gatherings is a small price to pay to stop it.

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whose alt?

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EnragedSlith posted...

The impetus is on assholes to not be assholes, not non-assholes to teach them how to not be assholes

Shaming people doesn't help anything.

If it wasn't a dangerous thing you wouldn't be an asshole to refuse a mask. So that's why educating people on it's danger is important.

Ignorance isn't an excuse, but an ignorant person who is willing to learn isn't that bad.

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How do people not realize the danger is when hospitals are overrun? Most people get better cause there is room in hospitals. When a ton of people get it, and there is literally no beds left for the sick, anyone that needs a hospital for other reasons will die too.

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HagenEx posted...

It is. And even more so for me, my next door neighbor is currently in isolation, so this damn virus is in the vicinity. I mean the dude I mentioned was an athlete, competed in most pro softball tournaments in my state. He was one of those people that follow diets, and go to the gym daily and stuff.

I admit I was taking it lightly until a couple of weeks ago, not wearing mask and shit, but now when I gotta do my errands, I go with the whole thing. Gloves, mask and everything.

It helps being germophobic. Before any of this even happened I always felt like my fingers were "dirty" if I touched anything public. Like they were covered with paint that painted everything else I touched, until I washed it all.

I guess I will be even more careful to wear the mask now. I did it more or less to stop the general propagation to save the elderly but I'll be even more anal about it now.

LightHawKnight posted...

How do people not realize the danger is when hospitals are overrun? Most people get better cause there is room in hospitals. When a ton of people get it, and there is literally no beds left for the sick, anyone that needs a hospital for other reasons will die too.

The sad thing is a lot of people that get admitted to the ICU don't make it out. Once you're at that point it's like 10% chance of recovery.

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Covid has long lasting health effects

LightHawKnight posted...

How do people not realize the danger is when hospitals are overrun? Most people get better cause there is room in hospitals. When a ton of people get it, and there is literally no beds left for the sick, anyone that needs a hospital for other reasons will die too.

Hospitals are empty here in Montreal, Canada. Obviously the heavy self-isolation measures helped but it left open the idea that "it wasn't so bad after all"

It doesn't help that our extremely corrupt government keeps cutting funds in healthcare and generally mismanaging everything health-related. I have a friend who went through cancer within the last months and the hospital failed to do a proper follow-up. It just all gives the general idea that they haven't been handling things sensibly.

Again, for the people who can't comprehend, I'm just stating why some people were doubtful about the severity of the virus. I'm not stating it is not a danger.

I'm not in the USA. The situation was very different here and the government did some shady shit like trying to pass extreme laws the opposition could not vote against. Some of which would fuck over the people. This kinda stuff added fuel to the fire.

You guys had rednecks protesting to get haircuts, I understand why you would feel polarized about this, but here nothing was very clear and some things were shady.

Cartwheel_Kick posted...

Again, for the people who can't comprehend, I'm just stating why some people were doubtful about the severity of the virus. I'm not stating it is not a danger.

The danger to the average person is low. You're seeing a lot of deaths because a lot of people are infected. The official count is over 12 million and they're saying now that they believe 40% of the cases were asymptomatic and went under the radar.

This is different than the flu though where, like posters in this thread have first hand experience, otherwise healthy people all of a sudden develop breathing problems and drop dead within a week after that. You don't want to get this virus even if the odds of survival are good.

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here's a novel fucking thought: seek out information from accredited experts instead of lunatic partisans on your facebook

Omnislasher posted...

here's a novel fucking thought: seek out information from accredited experts instead of lunatic partisans on your facebook

I'm not sure where to look, and despite that I've still tried yet research I've done was inconclusive, as I've stated in one of the posts in this thread you didn't read, you angry child.

So I'm posting here to get information, with a neutral attitude, instead of just believing "lunatic partisans on my facebook"

Get out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuVpWLkfCo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAKr8fpGLhk

Omnislasher posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAKr8fpGLhk

Currently listening to this. I guarantee you TC won't even check these out.

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Shortly after it was announced to be a pandemic, there was an article about a 21 year athlete that caught it and ended up passing away because it turned out that he also had leukemia and wasn't aware that he had it.

Even for those that catch it and survive, there's really no telling what long term effects it can have on them.

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It spreads easy and it kills
It kills people.

If you slept with everyone you came in contact with (damn you must be attractive), would you wear a condom if you thought it made things safer for both of you knowing you've come into contact with other people you both didn't know about? Sure it's not a 100% guarantee of safety, but it sure should give you both a little more piece of mind.

Syphilis can be deadly, but by all means don't wear a condom with strangers because you're healthy and will probably get over it with medical attention


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My parents neighbors all got it, ages 4-70. Eight people.

Seven of them did not know they had it and had no lung damage or anything. Perhaps a mild cold. The little kid had to be on oxygen

So even though people in this topic are freaking the fuck out, it seems some cases don't harm you at all.

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