Current Events > The Wheel of Time tv series has me excited.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Can't wait until the teaser.

https://winteriscoming.net/2020/07/05/interview-with-jennifer-cheon-garcia-of-amazons-wheel-of-time/amp/
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I'm scared it's gonna suck.

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SpaceBear_ posted...

I'm scared it's gonna suck.

I will still watch until they cancel it like legend of the seeker.
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CosmicShadows posted...

I will still watch until they cancel it like legend of the seeker.

Kahlan in that Mord-Sith leather outfit..

The conversation ends with an update on when filming might start up again. The show has been filming near Prague, which has reopened for filming.

Nice

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SpaceBear_ posted...

I'm scared it's gonna suck.

Provided it's not 4 seasons of skirt smoothing and braid tugging we should be fine

Really though, I fully expect some incel tears when they realise that the screenwriters had to bring the gender nonsense in the books into the 21st century

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Hmmm.
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CosmicShadows posted...

I will still watch until they cancel it like legend of the seeker.

Didn't LotS have a really terrible movie?

Im really hyped for it. I hope covid wont postpone things too long. Ive been excited since they announced it

pinky0926 posted...

Provided it's not 4 seasons of skirt smoothing and braid tugging we should be fine

Really though, I fully expect some incel tears when they realise that the screenwriters had to bring the gender nonsense in the books into the 21st century

Damnit, it's high time we find out what happens to trans channelers.

Ruvan22 posted...

Didn't LotS have a really terrible movie?

It had a really terrible book series. Probably the worst fantasy to ever get popular.

Im in!

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I'm really excited for it. A lot can be done to fix the pacing and some of the bad book characters (looking at you, Elayne).

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MC_BatCommander posted...

I'm really excited for it. A lot can be done to fix the pacing and some of the bad book characters (looking at you, Elayne).

What's wrong with Elayne? :(

Ruvan22 posted...

Didn't LotS have a really terrible movie?

Legend of the Seeker was terrible overall. Heavily changed from the source material, and I don't think Terry Goodkind was really involved all that much, he wasnt even consulted on the scripts.

By contrast, Amazon is working very closely with Robert Jordan's widow, Harriet McDougal as a producer. So overall I have more faith in Wheel of Time as a TV series than I ever did with LotS.

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Sabram posted...

Legend of the Seeker was terrible overall. Heavily changed from the source material, and I don't think Terry Goodkind was really involved all that much, he wasnt even consulted on the scripts.

By contrast, Amazon is working very closely with Robert Jordan's widow, Harriet McDougal as a producer. So overall I have more faith in Wheel of Time as a TV series than I ever did with LotS.

Would you say the LoS series is worth a watch?

Sabram posted...

Heavily changed from the source material

In the case of Sword of Truth, the further from the source the better.

I've been skeptical from the start, but it sounds like they're pouring a lot of money into it

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RadiantAdolin posted...

In the case of Sword of Truth, the further from the source the better.

Pretty much. That was one series i just couldnt be fucked to finish even though id already read half of it.

Wheel of time is infinitely more enjoyable despite how badly it drags.

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I don't think it's possible to do this series well in this medium, but it's looking like this group is at least going to give it a serious try.

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If we don't get a 3 episode bath arc, I'm rioting.


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RadiantAdolin posted...

What's wrong with Elayne? :(

IMO of all the main cast she just has the most boring story beats, I also don't care for her relationship with Rand. Hopefully the whole *SPOILERS FOR BOOK SERIES* harem thing is cut in the show cuz holy cow is it cringe to read.


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MC_BatCommander posted...

IMO of all the main cast she just has the most boring story beats, I also don't care for her relationship with Rand. Hopefully the whole *SPOILERS FOR BOOK SERIES* harem thing is cut in the show cuz holy cow is it cringe to read.

Yeah, the harem made me question how people say it was so good with women...

RadiantAdolin posted...

Yeah, the harem made me question how people say it was so good with women...

To be fair, green Aes Sedai had their own harem thing going so that was cool.

But yeah RJ sucked at portraying women in the books and thats one aspect I think modern writers can improve on.

RadiantAdolin posted...

Yeah, the harem made me question how people say it was so good with women...

? Really?

I'm up to book #whatever after Path of Daggers, Winter's Heart? Hadn't started it yet, and there's TONS of shit that's crazy for women and gender stereotypes.

Speaking of being good with women, we got the weirdest relationship of Faile and Perrin where Faile is purposefully wanting Perrin to yell at her and become violent with her because a "woman should know her place with a strong man" but she also wants to be in a position of power and know she can influence him and all this without him knowing or being communicated to him while he can sniff out emotions and sees that she's pleased when he yells at her. WHAT THE HELL KIND OF RELATIONSHIP IS THIS. The poor dog (lul get it because he's a wolf?) is confused if you give him a treat every time you hit them.

Then we got playboy Matt getting raped by Queen Tylin at knife point which got turned into a straight up joke (Matt was legit traumatized but also kind of karma for all the womanizing antics? But I don't think he ever forced himself on a woman at knife point) in this weird knife culture where women really value men dueling at knife points, and then women mark their men with knives and mark how many kids they have with gems that are colored if they passed away or through dueling or if they got disowned. This whole section between them had me REALLY disturbed and is probably the best representation of the reverse of what men do to women. If you think that shit is creepy imagine having it done to you with a woman of higher ranking and power doing it to you and forcing herself on you. I liked it, I liked it for the meaning not for what was actually being done, it's a good lesson to see and make people understand.

We got the forced bonding of Rand by Alanna which is supposedly worse than a man forcing himself on a woman.

We got these female lead societies seemingly in Aiel and Aes Sedai and Andor to "empower the womens", but then proceeds to make them stereotypically female in cleaning and roof mistresses and fumbling over men. And you'd probably think older women don't fall prey to this nonsense but women of all ages do from young to old, fucking crazy. Aes sedai keep a calm face but they be fickle womens in the book. Fighting over which warder they get to have if they pass away and taming them after they go berserk? Really? It's really stupid when you have a strong woman lead and then all of a sudden she turns into an emotional puddle around a man she likes and then the author points out that women shouldn't be doing this with another character and she chastises the emotional puddle, then the woman who does the chastising turns into an emotional puddle thinking about the man she fawns over. DA FUCK. It's like a fake out there and fucked up.

Not to mention this weird power dynamic amongst aes sedai where if you're stronger than another they automatically become submissive to your commands or some weird shit, da hell?

The only characters that don't seem to fall prey to these women stereotypes are Moiraine and she's dead as far as I know, Cadsuane the badass granny, and...Birgitte. The last one being in a confusing place that loves exploiting her feminine charms but ain't afraid to act like a guy and is a badass with a bow.

AND THAT REMINDS ME OF ANOTHER FUCKING FEMALE CHARACTER.

MIN, she's one of the ones who ABSOLUTELY falls into the female stereotype trope, who just throws away her boyish looks in order to seduce Rand, and she fucking criticizes herself mentally constantly for doing this, how she'd never do this for a guy, that girls shouldn't do this for guys and she goes and fucking does it like he's an exception further perpetuating these sexist stereotypes that women go fluff in the head for men, every single female leads falls prey to this bullshit, egwene, nynaeve, elayne, min, and Aviendha (even through Aiel customs she's blatantly frustrated over a man and feels in debt after having that winter time sex). How a woman shouldn't be waiting for a man to please him, and there she is literally waiting at his beck and call in a castle waiting for him.

Egwene abusing her dream powers to have dream sex in Gawyn's dreams. Imagine a guy doing that today, they'd be fucked by metoo so fucking fast it wouldn't be funny.

It's hilarious how it's all about empowering women and then just fucking making them fall flat on their face with the stupidest sexist stereotypes.

Hopefully I'm not spoiling anything, I just wanted to leave the relevant parts intact while hiding who did what.

Oh I still enjoy reading the books and I'm hyped for the series to come out, I really want to see how they do channeling, there was so much channeling at the end of the first book, I wonder how they'll CG all of it in. I had some spectacular imagery in my head as I read through it.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

IMO of all the main cast she just has the most boring story beats, I also don't care for her relationship with Rand. Hopefully the whole *SPOILERS FOR BOOK SERIES* harem thing is cut in the show cuz holy cow is it cringe to read.

im just wrapping up book 7 but so far shes no worse than nynaeve and tbh the entire dynamic with elayne, nynaeve, and mat is painful as fuck.

Theyre all just stupidly stubborn and difficult and childish as hell for the entire. book. Worse than that is that its never even really explained well or told in such a way that it makes sense.

Like it really pretty much boils down to mat is mat / nynaeve had to deal with mat growing up and he was a trouble maker and lay about / elayne is haughty

all of it was dumb and even if that nonsensical tension was necessary for padding out everything in ebou dar jordan could have at least tried to make it reasonable and not just three people being idiots.

Hell even the resolution of that stupidy was just birgitte and aviendah saying hey you two chicks are fucking ridiculous.

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>trying to adapt jordan's gender politics in 2020

this is gonna be a hilarious mess

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I read some of that series years ago. I think I got to book... 6? before I ended up stopping. Partially cause I don't read much these days but mostly because it was starting to get a little repetitive. It's overly verbose and far too much of it is sexism directed at both sides and SO many problems would be solved, or closer to it, if people actually talked to each other once in awhile.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

>trying to adapt jordan's gender politics in 2020

this is gonna be a hilarious mess

Yeah, really not sure how that's going to work.
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I'm not going to have high hopes, but I too am very excited.

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i liked los. Too bad they couldn't continue it.
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Sir Will posted...

I read some of that series years ago. I think I got to book... 6? before I ended up stopping. Partially cause I don't read much these days but mostly because it was starting to get a little repetitive. It's overly verbose and far too much of it is sexism directed at both sides and SO many problems would be solved, or closer to it, if people actually talked to each other once in awhile.

Yeah it is very repetitive and often just seems to be declaring that even characters who were friends since childhood literally dont know eachother at all.

Even ignoring braids and skirt smoothing im pretty sure rand wished he understood woman like perrin and mat or mat wished he understood women like perrin and rand or perrin wished etc....

pops up constantly depending on whose part of the story youre currently reading.

I think the gender issues are being overblown in this topic though. The worst of those, imo, is rand constantly refusing to let the aeil maidens in on shit cause he doesnt want any women to die. Aeil women are wise and better warriors than most men but we better keep them clueless and protected as much as possible. Fuck off rand. Lol.

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it's almost like all the characters are purposefully flawed.

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I think I read the very first Wheel of Time book many years ago. I don't remember anything but some dude coming to a village and a horseback chase...or something. Might tune in to the show, though, just 'cause nothing's ever been spoiled for me about it.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Even ignoring braids and skirt smoothing im pretty sure rand wished he understood woman like perrin and mat or mat wished he understood women like perrin and rand or perrin wished etc....

pops up constantly depending on whose part of the story youre currently reading.

I always thought that was meant to be comedic, each of the ta'veren boys thinks the others are good with women but they are all bumblefucks

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WoT is interesting because I'm not sure there is a single character that doesn't have a long stretch where they are extremely unlikable.

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Medussa posted...

it's almost like all the characters are purposefully flawed.

Theres a difference between flawed characters and constantly repeating the same thing over and over again.

Also you can have a flawed character and still not have to rely on their absolute idiocy and stubborn bs to create drama or tension as jordan typically does.

Im enjoying the books a lot overall but some of it is just so glaringly stupid and lacking in reason beyond theyre all overly proud and stubborn morons who wont talk to one another ever and also men and women are different.

you can work that once or twice with a character or two.... but in the wheel of time thats literally every main character far more often than not.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

I always thought that was meant to be comedic, each of the ta'veren boys thinks the others are good with women but they are all bumblefucks

I guess youre right but it just comes up a bit too often. Lol.

Gheb posted...

WoT is interesting because I'm not sure there is a single character that doesn't have a long stretch where they are extremely unlikable.

so far perrin and matt have been okay. Perrin really hasnt been unlikeable and mat was under the influence of shadar logoth or whatever when he was at his worst.

Birgitte is cool too but shes had a lot less time to suck and isnt really a main protagonist.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Theres a difference between flawed characters and constantly repeating the same thing over and over again.

Also you can have a flawed character and still not have to rely on their absolute idiocy and stubborn bs to create drama or tension as jordan typically does.

Im enjoying the books a lot overall but some of it is just so glaringly stupid and lacking in reason beyond theyre all overly proud and stubborn morons who wont talk to one another ever and also men and women are different.

you can work that once or twice with a character or two.... but in the wheel of time thats literally every main character far more often than not.

Yeah, I hear you on that. For one book (either #5 or #6, I don't remember) it bugged me so much that I actually wrote the passages down in a notepad file as they went along. Every time a character complained about the opposite sex. It was appalling how large that file grew by the time I was through. Just over and over and over from all characters.

Can't wait to see the one power come to life.
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NotYou posted...

Yeah, I hear you on that. For one book (either #5 or #6, I don't remember) it bugged me so much that I actually wrote the passages down in a notepad file as they went along. Every time a character complained about the opposite sex. It was appalling how large that file grew by the time I was through. Just over and over and over from all characters.

Lol. I cant even imagine. Youd have to take notes constantly. I honestly wonder if he ever read a whole book after finishing.

Like youd think if he did a full on start to finish read hed realize he repeats stuff way too often. Or at least he could find a different way to express certain things.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Would you say the LoS series is worth a watch?

As someone who read and actually somewhat enjoyed the books, absolutely not.

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one of my favorite book series of all time and amazon does great with many original series

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